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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 04 Nov 2019, 8:17 am

First topic message reminder :

So a few comments I've lifted from the guardian from Eddie Jones. Pretty much as you'd expect in terms of looking ahead to the next challenge.
“I tell you what happens to teams – they evolve,” Jones said. “Some guys will lose desire, some guys will lose fitness, some guys will get injuries and there’ll be young guys come through. So this team is finished now. There will be a new team made. We’ll make a new team for the Six Nations and that new team for the Six Nations will be the basis of going to the next World Cup.'

Apparently the team at the weekend is the youngest to appear in a WC final so there won't be 15 new guys coming in but clearly a few are coming to the end. Are there particular areas or players jones will be looking at?

For me this bunch stand a decent chance in and around the squad to get more caps soon. Genge, Painter, Willis, Dombrandt, Smith, spencer, Robson and a outside chance of Mullins at full back.

Guys that are all young enough to be around for years to come but all with great potential. Perhaps not as good/proven as some who will step back but hugely talented.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 18 Jan 2020, 5:44 pm

king_carlos wrote:Furbank and Daly are the form fullbacks in the Prem so I hope they are in the squad.

Malins was also very good there in his starts at 15.

I still think Nowell has all the attributes to be an excellent fullback.

And Watson

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Post by lostinwales Sat 18 Jan 2020, 5:50 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Furbank and Daly are the form fullbacks in the Prem so I hope they are in the squad.

Malins was also very good there in his starts at 15.

I still think Nowell has all the attributes to be an excellent fullback.

And Watson

He can play 15 but I think he's more effective on the wing.

We say this about so many players, but he's had such injury problems over the last couple of years you do wonder how long he'll last

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:00 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Hes flaky as hell still though.

Elliot Daly has been worse imo

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:06 pm

Miaow used to say that.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:08 pm

lostinwales wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Furbank and Daly are the form fullbacks in the Prem so I hope they are in the squad.

Malins was also very good there in his starts at 15.

I still think Nowell has all the attributes to be an excellent fullback.

And Watson

He can play 15 but I think he's more effective on the wing.

We say this about so many players, but he's had such injury problems over the last couple of years you do wonder how long he'll last

I just think he is a superb natural rugby player. A massive threat to any team in attack or defence.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:13 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Miaow used to say that.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:21 pm

If Dombrandt isn't in the England squad on Monday I will be really disappointed. He is fantastic and offers something very different to Billy.
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Post by maestegmafia Sat 18 Jan 2020, 6:34 pm

Cumbrian wrote:If Dombrandt isn't in the England squad on Monday I will be really disappointed.  He is fantastic and offers something very different to Billy.

Plays across the backrow too so could be a great bench option.

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jan 2020, 7:54 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Miaow used to say that.

Oh good one.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Jan 2020, 8:27 pm

I don't understand.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 19 Jan 2020, 1:12 pm

Billy Vunipola off injured within minutes. Uncertain if it's a precaution, or recurrence of his arm injury.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 19 Jan 2020, 1:28 pm

Confirmed as another broken arm. Dombrandt it is.

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Post by Maddogflanker Sun 19 Jan 2020, 2:05 pm

Dombrandt and Simmonds for the six nations?
I heard Hughes started the season well, hows he going now?

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 19 Jan 2020, 6:39 pm

So, any surprises you guys might predict for tomorrow’s announcement?

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Post by Gooseberry Sun 19 Jan 2020, 7:03 pm

Tompkins Whistle

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 19 Jan 2020, 7:26 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Tompkins Whistle

Could be interesting

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Post by adambarney Sun 19 Jan 2020, 8:10 pm

I think we see a couple of young tight head props in Simmonds Dombrandt earl and Ben curry I would like to see Ibitoye aswell and Furbank

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 19 Jan 2020, 9:01 pm

Well Billy out is a big one. But its perfect to see how Dombrandt and Simmonds go.

On a side note .... Englands future long term 15 played his first proper game for us today and scored.

I wonder if Eddie has his eyes on him from afar...


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Post by Cumbrian Sun 19 Jan 2020, 9:19 pm

Cumbrian wrote:I agree, but I think there has to be some changes in the backs due to injuries etc.  

World Cup squad:

Dan Cole
Luke Cowan-Dickie
Tom Curry
Ellis Genge
Jamie George
Maro Itoje
George Kruis
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes
Lewis Ludlam
Joe Marler
Kyle Sinckler
Jack Singleton
Sam Underhill
Billy Vunipola- Just doing a bit of soothsaying
Mako Vunipola
Mark Wilson Injured?

Joe Cokanasiga- Injured
Elliot Daly
Owen Farrell
George Ford
Piers Francis
Willi Heinz- Too old
Jonathan Joseph
Jonny May
Ruaridh McConnochie- Better options
Jack Nowell
Henry Slade Injured?
Manu Tuilagi
Anthony Watson
Ben Youngs

In addition to this, we've heard Eddie say that he wants to get Ben Curry into the squad.  I could be wrong, but I actually think there will be more changes than we have been anticipating.  Either way, I reckon the squad may be named on Thursday (it has been named on the corresponding Thursday for the last two years 17/01/19, 18/01/18)

Called it. Doh

At this point Billy being fit seems like a luxury that we cannot rely on.
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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 19 Jan 2020, 10:39 pm

Will there be a captaincy change? Or will Eddie stick with Farrell?

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Post by Rugby Fan Mon 20 Jan 2020, 3:45 am

Mr Bounce wrote:Will there be a captaincy change? Or will Eddie stick with Farrell?
I'd imagine Farrell will keep the armband but we'll need more leadership depth. Ford has worn the armband, while the two Vunipolas, Heinz, and even Underhill have been named vice captains (among current squad players). Itoje and Jamie George seem like obvious contenders but Jones might have to be conscious of the Saracens factor.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 20 Jan 2020, 8:07 am

My betting is that earl and Dombrandt are in though I'd love to see willis. Furlongs will be there as well.

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Post by Gooseberry Mon 20 Jan 2020, 8:13 am

Cant see the captaincy changing. Farrell is still going to be central to Jones' plan and I cant think of many other players who are that secure in selection, fit and playing in positions that enable them to focus on the wider game and be in the middle of the park to give that leadership. You could argue for one of the senior locks, but they arent guaranteed to still be around for the next world cup. 
More than anything I don't see that its a problem that needs fixing. A couple of years ago we did talk a lot about England having leadership issues on the field, but I don't see that as the case now. 

Theres enough forced change with new coaches and the injuries, it would be bonkers to make further change for changes sake when you had a winning side.

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Post by Rinsure Mon 20 Jan 2020, 8:53 am

Billy is out, Slade is out, Watson too. Cokanasiga still not fit. Wilson borderline fit (I think).

Are there any other notable injury absences?

Interesting tweet from "Rugby Inside Line": https://twitter.com/RugbyInsideLine/status/1219179365159899137

Rugby Inside Line (on twitter) wrote:
Starting to hear names for the England squad!

This is going to get a very mixed reaction...

For some there will be “what is he still doing in the squad?” for others it will be “Where did he come from?! Never heard of him...”

Really looking forward to this one!

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Post by Gooseberry Mon 20 Jan 2020, 9:17 am

Tuilagi looks like he will be fit for it which is a big plus.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 20 Jan 2020, 9:25 am

Comes as no surprise but Borthwick leaving ahead of the autumn internationals with Ryles coming in (from melbourne).

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 20 Jan 2020, 9:37 am

Cumbrian wrote:
Cumbrian wrote:I agree, but I think there has to be some changes in the backs due to injuries etc.  

World Cup squad:

Dan Cole
Luke Cowan-Dickie
Tom Curry
Ellis Genge
Jamie George
Maro Itoje
George Kruis
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes
Lewis Ludlam
Joe Marler
Kyle Sinckler
Jack Singleton
Sam Underhill
Billy Vunipola- Just doing a bit of soothsaying
Mako Vunipola
Mark Wilson Injured?

Joe Cokanasiga- Injured
Elliot Daly
Owen Farrell
George Ford
Piers Francis
Willi Heinz- Too old
Jonathan Joseph
Jonny May
Ruaridh McConnochie- Better options
Jack Nowell
Henry Slade Injured?
Manu Tuilagi
Anthony Watson
Ben Youngs

In addition to this, we've heard Eddie say that he wants to get Ben Curry into the squad.  I could be wrong, but I actually think there will be more changes than we have been anticipating.  Either way, I reckon the squad may be named on Thursday (it has been named on the corresponding Thursday for the last two years 17/01/19, 18/01/18)

Called it. Doh

At this point Billy being fit seems like a luxury that we cannot rely on.

I reckon Dan Cole might not make the squad, nearing the end of his career and EJ talking about younger players coming in

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Post by Cumbrian Mon 20 Jan 2020, 10:17 am

It is difficult to say at this point, I would say that it is probably the most 'interesting' English squad announcement for a long time!
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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 10:54 am

At least he has to choose form over reputation in many of the cases due to injuries.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:00 am

Don't suppose ben youngs picked up a niggle?

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Post by Rinsure Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:12 am

Seeing the names Furbank and Dingwall dropped quite a lot.

Squad is announced at midday...

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:14 am

Do people expect to see Dombrandt and Simmonds.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:16 am

What about Ibitoye or maybe Devoto?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:18 am

I think Isiekwe will be in aswell.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:19 am

Beno Obano?
Harry Thacker for an explosive 3rd choice hooker?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:21 am

Cant see obano leapfrogging genge though new coach may have new ideas. Stuart is my wildcard pick for the front row though.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:26 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Cant see obano leapfrogging genge though new coach may have new ideas. Stuart is my wildcard  pick for the front row though.

Depends on Marlers position i guess. If hes not playing..

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Post by Gooseberry Mon 20 Jan 2020, 11:44 am

Rinsure wrote:Seeing the names Furbank and Dingwall dropped quite a lot.

Squad is announced at midday...

Sounds like the auto swear filter on this forum

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Post by Rinsure Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

Blimey, Jacob Umaga is in!

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

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ENGLAND MEN'S SQUAD FOR 2020 GUINNESS SIX NATIONS

 Posted 2 Minutes Ago

England men’s head coach Eddie Jones has named his 34-man England squad for the 2020 Guinness Six Nations.England Senior Men

Jones has included 22 players who played at the 2019 Rugby World Cup in Japan last year and eight uncapped players.
 
Of those uncapped players Tom Dunn, Ben Earl and Ollie Thorley have been involved in previous England squads while Fraser Dingwall, George Furbank, Alex Moon, Will Stuart and Jacob Umaga are called up for the first time.
 
In addition to the 34 players, Josh Hodge, who plays in the Greene King IPA Championship, and Alex Mitchell have been called up as apprentices and will only train with the squad.

'RAISING STANDARDS'

Jones said: “The Guinness Six Nations for us is all about raising the standards in terms of the way we prepare, tactically and physically how we play the game, and the way we come together off the field.
 
“But our first task is beating France in France and that is the only game we need to worry about. We will begin our preparations in Portugal, get a bit of sun, some warm conditions and get ourselves physically and mentally right for the game.

"The first three days will be about getting organised. We have got players from 11 clubs so we need to get everyone on the same page quickly, spend a lot of time working on our togetherness and then by Tuesday next week we are in Test preparation for France.”
 
On his selection Jones said: “It is always about winning the next game so we have picked the best squad available. At the same time we wanted to bring some young players in because we need to keep building our depth so for those new players it is an exciting opportunity for them.”
 
England will assemble at Pennyhill Park on Wednesday and travel to Portugal on Thursday ahead of their first match against France in Paris on Sunday 2nd February.
 
Last week Jones’ coaching staff were confirmed for the Guinness Six Nations with attack coach Simon Amor and forwards coach Matt Proudfoot joining defence coach John Mitchell and skills coach Steve Borthwick.
 
Forwards
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 19 caps)
Tom Dunn (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped)
Ben Earl (Saracens, uncapped)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 12 caps)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 14 caps)
Jamie George (Saracens, 45 caps)
Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors, 1 cap)
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 34 caps)
George Kruis (Saracens, 41 caps)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 62 caps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 81 caps)
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 6 caps)
Joe Marler (Harlequins, 68 caps)
Alex Moon (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 31 caps)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 58 caps)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 18 caps)

Backs
Elliot Daly (Saracens, 39 caps)
Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap)
Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Owen Farrell (Saracens, 79 caps)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 65 caps)
George Furbank (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 47 caps)
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 52 caps)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby, uncapped)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 40 caps)
Jacob Umaga (Wasps, uncapped)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 42 caps)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 95 caps)
 
Apprentice players
Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Josh Hodge (Newcastle Falcons, uncapped)


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Post by LondonTiger Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:05 pm

Who will be No8?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:06 pm

Ha ha i knew Josh Hodge would be there!!!

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:07 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Who will be No8?

Ben Earl? Or Ludlum?


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Post by LondonTiger Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:07 pm

Ooh, no Jack Nowell. Is he injured?

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Post by Rinsure Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:07 pm

No Jack Nowell? Is he injured? Big omission, otherwise.

No refresh at scrum half, just Youngs and Heinz.

No Dombrandt, no Simmonds (Sam or Joe!).

Dan Cole missing too...

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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:09 pm

Shocked at the omissions of Dombrandt and Willis to be honest

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Post by lostinwales Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:10 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Who will be No8?

Itoje!

No idea at all. Strange selection in places

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Post by BamBam Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:11 pm

For my own benefit, I've reorganised into positions, think these are right but shout if I've got any wrong

LH - Mako, Marler, Genge
Hooker - George, LCD, Dunn
TH - Sinckler, Williams, Stuart
Lock - Itoje, Kruis, Lawes, Launchbury, Ewels, Moon
Back row - Curry, Underhill, Ludlam, Earl, Hill
SH - Youngs, Heinz
FH - Farrell, Ford, Umaga
Centre - Tuilagi, Joseph, Devoto, Dingwall
Back 3 - Daly, May, Watson, Thorley, Furbank

Based on that, would appear Earl is being lined up for No 8. Strange that Nowell isn't in too unless he's picked up a knock. Dombrandt would have been in for me


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Post by LondonTiger Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm

Rinsure wrote:No Jack Nowell? Is he injured? Big omission, otherwise.

No refresh at scrum half, just Youngs and Heinz.

No Dombrandt, no Simmonds (Sam or Joe!).

Dan Cole missing too...

To be fair no SHs have been banging down the door. Looks like he wants to invest time and effort into Mitchell who will be training with the squad.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 20 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm

Good man. I don't know why you'd ever list them alphabetically!

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