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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 22 Jul 2019, 12:56 pm

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Not a great position for Saints, captain and international level hooker looks likely so they've resorted to signing what is at best squad filler. Presumably Haywood and Fish will carry the bulk of the playing time.

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Post by Rinsure on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 5:41 pm

Billy Searle to Warriors from Wasps. They offered him a load, apparently, and Wasps decided not to match it.

Umaga has overtaken Searle in the Wasps pecking order this season, and looks to be the future for Wasps at 10, so easy decision really.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 7:41 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:At least Lock is the one position we're not too bad in though Sam.

Not in good see piece locks. Lots of athletic round the park, can jump in the lineout. Not many offer the scrum go forward or dominate in the tight.

Rinsure, Wasps have been paying Umaga first team wages for a long time now. They must be delighted he's finally stepped up. Obviously with his last name there was always lots of hope but interesting to see where his allegiances lie if he reaches international level capabilities.

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Post by Rinsure on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 8:03 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:At least Lock is the one position we're not too bad in though Sam.

Not in good see piece locks. Lots of athletic round the park, can jump in the lineout. Not many offer the scrum go forward or dominate in the tight.

Rinsure, Wasps have been paying Umaga first team wages for a long time now. They must be delighted he's finally stepped up. Obviously with his last name there was always lots of hope but interesting to see where his allegiances lie if he reaches international level capabilities.

He signed a new deal with Wasps in November, having graduated from the Academy to First Team squad in June. So not sure about how long he's be on "first team wages", but your point about there long being high hopes for him is on the money, if you'll pardon the pun.

Let's see him grow at Wasps before we start worrying about where he looks in the future, whether it's a white or a black shirt!

Searle obviously wants more first team starts, and with Sopoaga and Umaga ahead of him in the pecking order it seems Worcs could offer that. And a sack of cash.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 9:54 am

There were suggestions when he left our academy that he was not signing for Wasps on a standard senior academy contract.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 10:45 am

The rumours were at the time he left Tigers he wasn't signing an academy contract he was signing first team terms (not mega money obviously) which would have been at least double what an academy player at Tigers was getting. Tigers we're rumoured not to have the cap to risk doing that and decided to hold on and see what Hardwick and Costelow were like coming through in later years.

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Post by Welly on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:01 am

I was told Umaga left Wasps for a contract worth 3x as much as the one we offered at the time.

that being most wasps fans still think he is a product of their academy.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:18 am

https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

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Post by Fluxy on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:28 am

Not this Hemisphere, but Jack Maddocks moving from Melbourne Rebels to NSW Waratahs is a shrewd move to fill in the Folau sized hole at fullback.

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:35 am

LondonTiger wrote:https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

Is Sam Yawayawa still playing?

He looked a good talent, joined the SRU as stage 3 academy player and then disappeared from view. It'd be a shame if he's not still playing at some level. He was a powerful finisher whilst having a more rounded defensive game than a lot of young wingers do.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:38 am

LondonTiger wrote:https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

Wow. Not many of them made the step up.

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Post by bluestonevedder on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:48 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

Wow. Not many of them made the step up.

I only recognise Big Joe and Umaga from that list. Any ide what happened to Ehize Ehizode, the 'next Itoje'?

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:51 am

bluestonevedder wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

Wow. Not many of them made the step up.

I only recognise Big Joe and Umaga from that list. Any ide what happened to Ehize Ehizode, the 'next Itoje'?

I looked him up - he was a blind side flanker playing for Bristol but seems to have been let go last summer

Now 'Chinnor community coach'

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Post by Rinsure on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 11:54 am

Welly wrote: I was told Umaga left Wasps for a contract worth 3x as much as the one we offered at the time.

that being most wasps fans still think he is a product of their academy.

I was unaware he wasn't. Consider me educated Smile

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm

Rinsure wrote:
Welly wrote: I was told Umaga left Wasps for a contract worth 3x as much as the one we offered at the time.

that being most wasps fans still think he is a product of their academy.

I was unaware he wasn't. Consider me educated Smile

When Umaga left Tigers I had mixed feelings. He was no doubt talented but I had suspicions he might struggle to adapt to senior rugby. At age group he was a big unit having developed early. I thought that papered over cracks in his all round game as a 10, whilst I didn't think he carried hard enough to be a 12.

It's good to see him kicking on now he's getting opportunities at 10. Gopperth being fit again to play outside him will no doubt help. Fekitoa is having a huge impact as well of course. After Sopoaga, Symons and Shields all arguably under-delivering on their Super Rugby promise in recent seasons I image that Wasps fans are pretty pleased with Fekitoa!

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Post by Rinsure on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 12:49 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Rinsure wrote:
Welly wrote: I was told Umaga left Wasps for a contract worth 3x as much as the one we offered at the time.

that being most wasps fans still think he is a product of their academy.

I was unaware he wasn't. Consider me educated Smile

When Umaga left Tigers I had mixed feelings. He was no doubt talented but I had suspicions he might struggle to adapt to senior rugby. At age group he was a big unit having developed early. I thought that papered over cracks in his all round game as a 10, whilst I didn't think he carried hard enough to be a 12.

It's good to see him kicking on now he's getting opportunities at 10. Gopperth being fit again to play outside him will no doubt help. Fekitoa is having a huge impact as well of course. After Sopoaga, Symons and Shields all arguably under-delivering on their Super Rugby promise in recent seasons I image that Wasps fans are pretty pleased with Fekitoa!

Started slow, but really hitting his straps now - definitely a favourite! The rip and offload for Watson's try against Saints was incredible. Yes, Umaga is starting games regularly now, and playing well. Takes the ball much flatter to the line than Sopoaga, kicks well, and tackles well above his weight in defence (one massive hit of a try-saver in the game against Bristol springs to mind). With Gopperth fit our midfield looks pretty good now - but we need a 12 because Gopps can't go on forever, he's pretty much held together by tape as it is.

Back on thread, seeing rumours of inbound signing announcements for Wasps - hopefully a 12 and a big, ugly barsteward of a lock!

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Post by bluestonevedder on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 1:21 pm

lostinwales wrote:
bluestonevedder wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/stars-of-premiership-academy-finals-day/14690.htm

Just in case people forget.

Wow. Not many of them made the step up.

I only recognise Big Joe and Umaga from that list. Any ide what happened to Ehize Ehizode, the 'next Itoje'?

I looked him up - he was a blind side flanker playing for Bristol but seems to have been let go last summer

Now 'Chinnor community coach'

Guessing he's still in his early 20s so possibly time to kick on. Still it's a shame to see so many talented youngsters not make it.

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Post by stnick88 on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 2:42 pm

Curtis-Harris has put some good performances in for Irish A team but not sure they will throw him in to first XV games given the relegation battle that looms. Looks a good prospect though.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 3:08 pm

stnick88 wrote:Curtis-Harris has put some good performances in for Irish A team but not sure they will throw him in to first XV games given the relegation battle that looms. Looks a good prospect though.

What's happened to Rory Brand. He looked like a real live wire.

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 3:27 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
stnick88 wrote:Curtis-Harris has put some good performances in for Irish A team but not sure they will throw him in to first XV games given the relegation battle that looms. Looks a good prospect though.

What's happened to Rory Brand. He looked like a real live wire.

Listed as a scrum half for LI.

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Post by stnick88 on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 3:56 pm

again, plays A team, but not ready or good enough for first XV. lively little player though.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 09 Jan 2020, 8:39 pm

He impressed off the bench for the England under 20s. Looked like he'd be exactly what I'd expect from an LI scrum half. Quick, likes a break and good pass. Maybe not enough tactical skills to his game. That's where a loan to the Championship should come in, surely there's a team there that will give a former age grade player a shot. I thought we'd see him kick on, his contemporary Ben White is pushing on at Tigers.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 9:49 am

Ben Lam and Naldolo linked with Tigers (RP and Mail respectively). Unsure whether as May replacement or further weapons in the backline with Adam Thompstone out of contract in the summer along with Eastmond so could be some free cash.

Spencer linked with a return to Worcester.

Mike Ford rumoured to be a fan of Tom Ellis at Bath. Unsure why he'd help Tigers though.

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Post by Margin_Walker on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 10:23 am

Brand was at loan a fair bit of last season with Scottish in the Championship. LI have got four 9s in the senior squad at the moment and unusually for us this season, none of them have spent much time injured (ironically apart from Brand where he might have got a decent run in the Prem Cup).

He is a real livewire, but realistically he's a fair bit behind the likes of Phipps and Meehan at the moment. His basic still need work. Last time I saw him play a month or two ago off the bench he was caught several times at the base leading to turnovers. All the same, I'd probably be giving him a shot in front of Steele at the moment.


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Post by Margin_Walker on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 10:23 am

TRP also has Matt Gallagher to Munster for next season rumoured

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 11:04 am

Margin_Walker wrote:TRP also has Matt Gallagher to Munster for next season rumoured

His grandfather on his dad's side is from Limerick. Be a slap in the face for Haley though if Munster sign another specialist fullback. Then again Haley hasn't wowed and gained the international recognition that was assumed when he moved so maybe he'll be released.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 12:05 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:TRP also has Matt Gallagher to Munster for next season rumoured

His grandfather on his dad's side is from Limerick.
Both John Gallagher's parents are Irish. John actually played for Ireland "A" at one point late in his career (after the All Blacks and League stints).

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 3:21 pm

Talk that Saints are after Kruis next season, if Kpoku goes through; a lot of press saying a contract has been signed, but no announcement from either club, Lawes Kpoku, Kruis and Ribbans is a hell of a bunch of locks. Could possibly see Lawes make the move to 6 on a more permanent basis

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 4:49 pm

Kruis was trying to bully people on the weekend. AWJ had to have a few words with him, then he went back into his shell Wink. He would be a good signing for anyone. I am surprised if Bristol aren’t in the market for his services, but they’d probably have to use the Tipuric money.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 5:08 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Kruis was trying to bully people on the weekend. AWJ had to have a few words with him, then he went back into his shell Wink. He would be a good signing for anyone. I am surprised if Bristol aren’t in the market for his services, but they’d probably have to use the Tipuric money.

Didn't see much of the game but what I saw was that AWJ resorting to holding people down after rucks. He looked tired. If it was one of the halfbacks you could understand it but other forwards just seemed he was trying to make up for not being able to effect play in his usual fashion.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 13 Jan 2020, 12:42 pm

Rees-Zammit has just signed a long term senior contract with Gloucester. Sensible for Glaws to do that before he is capped.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 13 Jan 2020, 4:56 pm

Sensible all round. Rees-Zammit gets a payrise and to stay somewhere he's flourishing and the WRU don't have to worry about whether to select him or not or whether they need to try and tempt him home yet.

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Post by Rinsure on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 9:59 am

Cobus Reinach leaving Saints at the end of the season. Not sure where to yet...

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 10:59 am

Rinsure wrote:Cobus Reinach leaving Saints at the end of the season. Not sure where to yet...

Dont Saints have a crop of quality SH's coming through the academy?

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 3:05 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Rinsure wrote:Cobus Reinach leaving Saints at the end of the season. Not sure where to yet...

Dont Saints have a crop of quality SH's coming through the academy?

They have Mitchell and Taylor. Neither from their academy but both talented young 9s who in prior years represented England under 20s. Mitchell looked to be almost getting into the Sale team and then left around the time de Klerk joined and Taylor I think joined in the summer having been at Sarries and not given a sniff after moving there from Loughborough Uni where he was playing when getting age grade selection.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 9:59 am

Ah thanks Sam, i knew they had a couple of decent ones. Thought they were from their academy.

Im surprised noone decent has been sniffing around Takulua.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 10:36 am

Some rumours from ruck.co.uk:

Freddie Burns to Wasps
Jamie Roberts to Stormers
Matt Gallagher to Munster

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 10:37 am

And confirmed deals:

Owen Watkin signs new 3 year contract with Ospreys
Henry Purdy signs short term contract with Bristol

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 1:16 pm

Id like to hear some positive rumours about the falcons...but theres nothing.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 3:37 pm

https://rugbyonslaught.com/english-qualified-10-is-kicking-the-prod2-in-france-apart-and-hes-coming-home-next-season/?fbclid=IwAR3urwT22CY5Gq19QrTVDn-bwEs_B4lFYFlv4OfuLygtv3ukh4cldFrsfpA

25-year old fly-half Zack Henry is apparently signing with an English club for next season. Not the greatest source I know but given he's unknown it'd be an odd rumour to invent out of nowhere!

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 4:38 pm

There's a couple who would take a punt on a relatively cheap EQ flyhalf. Particularly one that can also cover 15 and is good at kicking points.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 7:50 pm

A few Tigers fan on the offy are excited by a poster who's usually well informed sharing it I've now seen. I guess he'd be a cheap cover option if Johnny McPhillips is moving on for more game time. Covers the same positions too.

With Hardwick and Costelow coming through at 10 and Steward at 15 I'd like to see them brought through.

It was noticeable how much Viljeon kicked tactically early in the season before he was dropped for being pretty average overall. Perhaps the coaches are looking for a tactical kicker with a huge boot to add options to the squad.

When the weather gets worse, internationals head off for the 6 Nations and games get a bit more 'traditional' a kicker with a cannon to play territory can paper over cracks effectively. Butch James was good at that for Bath I always thought. Andy Goode famously kept Newcastle in the Premiership by doing it as well!

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 8:22 pm

Don't see the value for us. Hardwick has got a big boot, penalties from 50m not a problem for him. On a fair day he can go from his own half. Steward also has a sizeable boot on him. Viljoen is under contract for another season. Costelow will also be another year older and more experienced next season. Worth has a new contract and he's a good kicker.

I just don't see the value. There's other areas in the squad where I'd rather we spent money.

If McGinty is leaving Sale then he'd be a good fit there as back up to du Preez. Falcons might view him as a good replacement for Flood. Quins as both an alternate for Smith and Brown. Chiefs as Steenson isn't getting any younger and they've spent big elsewhere.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 9:31 pm

If Sarries lose Malins, Gallagher and Sanjay then they might need fullback cover.

Malins could be a brilliant signing for many clubs. He's one of those players who just makes things happen with ball in hand. Distribution and kicking of a fly-half but the pace and feet of a winger. Some of his breaks remind me of Cips before the horrible leg break changed his game significantly.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 15 Jan 2020, 10:58 pm

Daly, Goode and an academy lad would be sufficient cover wouldn’t it?

A few weeks ago Cardiff’s head coach JM said they had targeted 4 WQ players in the English Premiership, they were just waiting for the budget to be announced. It left a lot to be guessed at but I think we might have a better idea now. So I’m guessing; WillGriff John, Will Rowlands, Sam Moore, a fly-half - possibly Williams, Sheedy or Protheroe. John’s contract is up in 2021, not sure about the others, and obviously there’d be a fee to break anyone from that.

Edit* - I didn’t think a centre was on their list but it appears JM spoke to Tompkins before last season.project reset prevented it going any further. They might get him if Sarries want to continue to shave a bit more of their cap.

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 2:14 am

If Williams and Lewington both move on then Daly might be needed on the wing more. Gallagher and Malins are the academy grads who cover 15 in the senior squad but both could be off apparently.

Elliot Obatoyinbo is their next cab of the rank at fullback. He's 20 so should be ready to step into the senior squad if they promote. He's highly rated so that could be an option.

There's so many contrasting rumours for how much Sarries need to cut but one can presume they will either need a significantly smaller squad or will need to lose starters on big wages.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 8:01 am

Thompkins hasn't long signed a new long term contract. I doubt Sarries would opt to release him a 24 year old with a decent injury record when they've got Barritt at 33 and Taylor at 30 both with worse injury records and both in international player money.

I wonder if we'll see Lozowski trialled at 15 to see if he's a viable option. He's played on the wing effectively and at flyhalf.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 10:25 am

king_carlos wrote:If Williams and Lewington both move on then Daly might be needed on the wing more. Gallagher and Malins are the academy grads who cover 15 in the senior squad but both could be off apparently.

Elliot Obatoyinbo is their next cab of the rank at fullback. He's 20 so should be ready to step into the senior squad if they promote. He's highly rated so that could be an option.

There's so many contrasting rumours for how much Sarries need to cut but one can presume they will either need a significantly smaller squad or will need to lose starters on big wages.

Did he feature against Ospreys last weekend?

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 11:16 am

LondonTiger wrote:
king_carlos wrote:If Williams and Lewington both move on then Daly might be needed on the wing more. Gallagher and Malins are the academy grads who cover 15 in the senior squad but both could be off apparently.

Elliot Obatoyinbo is their next cab of the rank at fullback. He's 20 so should be ready to step into the senior squad if they promote. He's highly rated so that could be an option.

There's so many contrasting rumours for how much Sarries need to cut but one can presume they will either need a significantly smaller squad or will need to lose starters on big wages.

Did he feature against Ospreys last weekend?

For about 10 minutes until the first scrum after Carre was sent off.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 11:17 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:Thompkins hasn't long signed a new long term contract. I doubt Sarries would opt to release him a 24 year old with a decent injury record when they've got Barritt at 33 and Taylor at 30 both with worse injury records and both in international player money.

I wonder if we'll see Lozowski trialled at 15 to see if he's a viable option. He's played on the wing effectively and at flyhalf.

In which case Sarries might see his worth, unless he's unhappy about being 2nd fiddle for so long which dented his international ambitions, until now. Blues seem set to try again anyway, so the lad has options whilst he is sitting in a good position right now.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 11:58 am

Can we have Mallins up here please...we need a class 10. kiss Hug

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