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Post by beninho on Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Davie wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://officiating.worldrugby.org/?module=3&section=36&subsection=129&language=en

"It is not mandatory for the team receiving the challenge to face it."



How many effing times. If they don't face it up silently and respectfully they get massive media criticism.

No they don't!

This is getting crazy!

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Post by dynamark on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:00 pm

Mac I'm not sure how old you are but when I was a youth and wanted to ring girlfriend (yes I did have one or two)I had to go to the corner of the street to a telephone box.Its great now a basic mobile phone costs next to nothing and internet is on tap to virtually everyone at a very reasonable market price.Im just not getting the issue.
Friend worked all his life for British Gas now retired on super pension and he said recently it was like a 'holiday camp' even said he would go back if it was re nationalised.
Labour may soon be a spent force their old support(working class union based) is literally fading away and they now depend on young/student support which is strong but fickle.They will not vote Tory but will go green or liberal.

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Post by beninho on Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:47 am

The free broadband policy is generally very good. Apart from the cost element, and who will have to pay, its hard to argue. Think of savings to hospitals, police.stations, councils, schools if they have no charges.

I read somewhere about how some right wingers must view libraries. At least we already know that they hate the nhs and want to sell it off.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:33 am

beninho wrote:The free broadband policy is generally very good. Apart from the cost element, and who will have to pay, its hard to argue. Think of savings to hospitals, police.stations, councils, schools if they have no charges.

I read somewhere about how some right wingers must view libraries. At least we already know that they hate the nhs and want to sell it off.


I don't know Ben, some people were lauding the rise of right wing parties in Europe as a good thing (thankfully that failed to materialise). So logically for them the benefit of libraries would be to provide fuel over the winter months. Book burning being a favoured policy of the right and all that.

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Post by westisbest on Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:06 pm

beninho wrote:
westisbest wrote:Ben, I see Wycombe are on the box Sunday.
Tranmere struggling at the moment.

Could be a decent away win.

We drew with them last Saturday in the cup, have them away again on sunday then at home midweek in the cup replay. Win that, and we have Chichester in the 2nd round, so hopefully a good chance of a decent 3rd round game.

Anyway, I'm always wary about us on tv we always seem to lose. I remember huddersfield scoring 7! On tv boxing day aswell I think, away at tractor boys. The glamour of being 2nd in the league!

Top of the league Ben👍

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Post by super_realist on Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:04 am

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superflyweight wrote:P.S. his writings suggest that George Orwell himself would have supported initiatives like free broadband rather than profiteering from something that could enable the poor to educate themselves and improve their situation.

We can now add literature to the list of things Super is a complete ingenue in.

Mac, I was referring to the horrors of having state run services and state run monopolies especially in regard to the availability of dissemination of information. Who on earth would want a government to provide the only option of broadband with the potential to determine what can be viewed and what information is permitted.
You clearly haven't read 1984.

No but I have read Animal farm, which is an allegory about the frustrations of poor rural fibre availability.


In general I agree with a lot of what JAS has said so far on this topic.  At the very least it might be a good idea to re-nationalise the communications network (phone, mobile, broadband, fibre, +industry versions) and force any company using it to provide a certain quality of service which is available to all customers.  Although at that point why not nationalise the whole lot?

Post brexit the UK is going to have to think about how it will attract new business to the country and a state run world leading communications network might be one way.  Think of all the great innovations involving telecommunications technology that can't be rolled out because not enough people have decent internet connections.

An upcoming example is the google stadia service which is a gaming platform where the game your playing is processed on servers and streamed to whatever device you want. The pool of potential customers is tiny because hardly anyone has decent bandwidth.

Why would a state run communications network be good for either the public or business Mac?
Why would you want the potential for state censorship of information like China? I prefer to have the choice of any service I want, I don't want the government to choose what communications network they feel is best for me. If I want decent bandwith, I can already get it. It's not going to suddenly go up just because Corbyn says so.
If you want to talk about innovation then state run organisations are a great way to see no innovation whatsoever because there is no incentive in a monopoly to be either efficient or innovative as we saw in the bad old days with all those dreadful state run organisations in regard to transport, communications, industry, utilities etc.
Competition is the primary way to encourage both, bringing companies back into public ownership certainly is not.


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Post by super_realist on Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:06 am

beninho wrote:The free broadband policy is generally very good. Apart from the cost element, and who will have to pay, its hard to argue. Think of savings to hospitals, police.stations, councils, schools if they have no charges.

I read somewhere about how some right wingers must view libraries. At least we already know that they hate the nhs and want to sell it off.

This has been proven to be a left wing political lie. There is no evidence whatsoever that the government hate the NHS or want to sell it off. This has backfired on Corbyn. It was his "trump" card, but has been proven to be false.

The NHS needs serious reform, it's not the best health service in the world, nowhere near. If it was so great, why has no other country ever copied it?

Personally, not politically I would welcome some reform. For example. I think an upfront charge to book a doctors appointment is a good idea. If you turn up, you get it back.
I don't think the NHS should be prescribing ibuprofen when you can get it for 50p at the supermarket. If you have to go to the hospital because you are drunk, you should bloody well pay for that.

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Post by McLaren on Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:16 pm

I think we might have unmasked Super_realist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-50468770

They must have found his 606 comments history.
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Post by super_realist on Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:34 pm

Too young Mac

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Post by McLaren on Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:22 pm

super_realist wrote:Too young Mac

But everything else spot on OK
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Post by super_realist on Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:46 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:Too young Mac

But everything else spot on OK

Not at all Mac. I've repeatedly requested you give me any examples where I have been racist, sexist, anti semitic etc from any of my 606 posts and you routinely fail to bring up anything.

The burden of proof is on you, and you fail in providing any, just like you've failed in your dismal life.

You pathetically tried to infer that criticising someone from a different race and gender is racist and sexist. Not a single person agreed with you.

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Post by beninho on Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:09 pm

Oh spurs. Such a bad decision. Sacking a manager, who could almost name his ckub.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:13 pm

It'll be interesting to see what Poch has to say - seems like he's been distancing himself from Levy and some of the personnel moves over the past six months. Perhaps he walked, perhaps he was kicked.
But who do they turn to know?
Hopefully Kenny Jackett.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:55 pm

Baffling decision, reports saying he was sacked. So not amicable. Can only think Spurs will regret this. Could he even end up at Arsenal? Or ManU. Mac, would you like to see him at UTD?

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Post by pedro on Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 pm

Poch should’ve left a couple of months ago while his stock was still high. It had to end in a split up, one way or the other.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:49 am

Now they've got has-been Mourinho in.
Mourinho is just like Villa Boas or Sven Goran Eriksson, just going from club to club and feathering his nest due to the fact they were once alright managers..……….a very long time ago.

Spurs should be aiming higher than Mourinho.

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Post by George1507 on Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:35 am

Spurs are in a financial strait jacket because of the loan for the stadium. It's costing £58 million a year to repay the loan, so they have to make £58 million a year from their regular operations just to service the debt.

Hiring Mourinho is a huge gamble, he is never is content to work with what he finds when he first walks into a club.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:51 am

Shouldn't be a problem George, the lowest team in the PL gets 100m a year whilst the winner gets 150m from Sky, plus there are other add ons.

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Post by JAS on Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:22 am

I’m usually in strong disagreement with unjustified sackings, I just don’t think managers are afforded the time to turn things around when they hit a sticky spell. But that is now the accepted norm in high profile football clubs. That means the chances of another Fergie, Shankly, Busby, Paisley like long term solution ever emerging are pretty much non existent.

Personally I think on this occasion there is actually more of a case for it being justified, he has been there 5 years, he is leaving having improved them but something clearly had turned sour, could it have been fixed? We’ll never know. I think his head was turned when the Man U job came up, he was strongly touted for it and never got it and to be honest I don’t think he settled after that.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:52 am

Surely in football as well as managers being sacked it ought to be sensible to sack under performing players? Those are the people ultimately responsible for results on the pitch.
Plenty Spurs players are not the players they were just 12 months ago. Alli, Dier, Erikssen etc aren't performing, you can't blame all that on the manager.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:07 pm

It looks as if they also have an under-performing chairman . . . . . . . . and that will never change. Not any time soon, anyway.

Odds on Mourinho takes Spurs deeper in debt, even if they do get an immediate lift. Highly questionable whether he'll ever take them as far as Poch has.

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Post by beninho on Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:18 pm

I actually can see why ge was sacked. Bet he wished he had walked after the champ league final. But, he overperformed with Spurs, who while a big club, are not in the same place financially as sone of the others.

But Mou and Levy? Give it 18mnths top.

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Post by JAS on Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:51 pm

super_realist wrote:Surely in football as well as managers being sacked it ought to be sensible to sack under performing players? Those are the people ultimately responsible for results on the pitch.
Plenty Spurs players are not the players they were just 12 months ago. Alli, Dier, Erikssen etc aren't performing, you can't blame all that on the manager.

Therein lies the issue Supes, players are expensive assets who kind of hold the whip hand without enough accountability, if the owners (cash Providers) don’t 100% agree and back every managerial decision then it very quickly degenerates. Motivation is an essential part of the managers job and yeah you could be the best motivator in the world but if an overpaid petulant twonk can’t be arsed then what? You could dock underperforming players wages but that then can become a “lose the dressing room” situation very quickly. Ironically Mourinho’s last job showed to a tee how out of kilter player power is these days. It seemed to be a straightforward “me or him” between him and Pogba and symbolising everything that’s wrong with ManU in the post Fergie era, they chose Pogba as the more valuable asset rather than backing Jose to lance the emerging player power boil.
Not entirely sure, Poch had exactly the same player power issues but clearly something was blocking them giving their best.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:10 pm

Perfect example of why football clubs are such terrible businesses in most cases.

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Post by pedro on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:15 pm

super_realist wrote:
Spurs should be aiming higher than Mourinho.
Why is that? Aren’t they a “selling club”?

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Post by pedro on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:18 pm

Will Poch go to ManU? Surely he isn’t that red hot name he was just 6 months ago. And will Utd be comfortable signing someone who seems to have lost the dressing room somewhat?

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:24 pm

pedro wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Spurs should be aiming higher than Mourinho.
Why is that? Aren’t they a “selling club”?

Because he's a has-been. His career has been on a downward spiral for years. Spurs have a brand new stadium and up until this year had been consistent top 4. They need a manager who matches their ambitions, not someone who sulks when things don't go his way and who routinely loses the dressing room.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:25 pm

pedro wrote:Will Poch go to ManU? Surely he isn’t that red hot name he was just 6 months ago. And will Utd be comfortable signing someone who seems to have lost the dressing room somewhat?

Man U aren't a red hot club either.

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Post by beninho on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:47 pm

Realist, who do you think Spurs should have gone for?

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Post by beninho on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:48 pm

Poch could almost pick a club. The work he did at Spurs, was pretty impressive. I can see Barcelona.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:51 pm

Yuuge lunchtime game on Saturday: Hammers vs Spurs, both in the doldrums. December travel to Old Trafford & Wolves (and Munich) for Spurs, plus Chelsea coming to WHL. All that before Mourinho can open Levy's cheque book.

Plus, Almost all Spurs' players have lost value from, say, 18 months ago, plus several are out of contract in June so tough to balance the books in the transfer market.

Not a reach to climb to 5th fairly quickly, but to overhaul Man City, Chelsea or Leicester for a Top Four place will be quite the challenge.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:02 pm

beninho wrote:Realist, who do you think Spurs should have gone for?

Someone on the up. Perhaps Thomas Tuchel, Eddie Howe, Nagelsman etc.

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Post by McLaren on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:07 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Realist, who do you think Spurs should have gone for?

Someone on the up. Perhaps Thomas Tuchel, Eddie Howe, Nagelsman etc.

Or Stevie G?
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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:12 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Realist, who do you think Spurs should have gone for?

Someone on the up. Perhaps Thomas Tuchel, Eddie Howe, Nagelsman etc.

Or Stevie G?
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Post by beninho on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:37 pm

Tuchal is at PSG. He is not leaving that money train.
Nagelsmann will surely end up at Bayern, and is no better an option then Mourinho. In fact he probably is the new AVB.
Howe. Maybe he does deserve a bigger club, but he was terrible at Burnley when he last left the South Coast.

I hate Mou. But he is a proven big name manager. Someone that the success of Poch has meant spurs can employ. Remember that before Poch spurs had Tim Sherwood!

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:41 pm

He was a proven big name manager, the question is whether he still is or not. He spent 360m at Man United. Didn't really achieve a great deal for that outlay.
In a club with less to spend than Man U, how well is he likely to do? His best work was at Porto, since then he's only ever worked where he has a boat load of cash and a team that you would already expect to win trophies.
This is like him taking over at Villareal instead of Real, Inter, Chelsea etc.

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Post by McLaren on Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:48 pm

super_realist wrote: a boat load of cash and a team that you would already expect to win trophies

If it was that simple PSG would be multiple CL winners.
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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:19 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote: a boat load of cash and a team that you would already expect to win trophies

If it was that simple PSG would be multiple CL winners.

I think these days you aren't going to win the CL unless you come from one of the top leagues (Spain, Italy, Germany and England)
France just doesn't have enough competition week in week out for PSG to raise their game to the level required to win the CL.
Of course there's a managerial element to it, but Mourinho is a bit like Lewis Hamilton or any other driver in the best car. It significantly adds to your chances of success if your team/vehicle is already miles ahead of the rest. It often adds to your reputation and shields your actual ability.
Spurs should be an interesting test for us to see if Mourinho is actually up to winning anything with less money and a less prominent team.
How much better would Mourinho do at Burnley or Bournemouth?

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Post by dynamark on Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:06 pm

Glad someone mentioned little old Leicester.Rumour has it Levy asked Rogers to move but was told no chance (ie. get lost in Thai)
Poch is not immune despite his chairman and his priorities - around one point a game for last 25 games was never good enough .They did make Cl final last year and something has gone wrong day to day .Should be entertaining.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:32 pm

A lot of Spurs key players were unhappy with the wage structure, I don't think that is news to anyone. Eriksen looking to engineer a move on a free next summer as an example, can't really blame Poch for that, I don't think he "lost the dressing room" as much as players got the hump with the wage structure. Ultimately though typically the manager pays the price.  It will be interesting to see if Mourinho can convince these players to stay and build around them. Hopefully he puts in a £100m bid for Pogba Whistle

What Leicester did in winning the Premier League put a smile on everyone's faces. Great to see and good for the game. The "Big teams" in the "Big Leagues" are always favorites to win the Prem or CL, but there's always a chance a Leicester or Ajax could put together a great team and do some damage.

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Post by pedro on Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:47 pm

On the other hand; can’t see what Mou sees in Tottenham. Other than his family lives in London and wants to stay there. But maybe that’s enough for a has-been?

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Post by super_realist on Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am

pedro wrote:On the other hand; can’t see what Mou sees in Tottenham. Other than his family lives in London and wants to stay there. But maybe that’s enough for a has-been?

Wonder what hotel he's going to live in this time.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:50 am

Apparently he'll be on £13m pa, nearly double what Poch was on. I can't see that going down well with players that have been effectively protesting the wage structure. 

I see Piers Morgan is already looking for Poch for Arsenal  Laugh

I think he will have plenty of offers, and if a big Spanish club club came in for him then he'll be away even if he has top Prem offers.. His style of play has been good for the league.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:19 am

Amazing how what, I would imagine, is confidential info re. Mourinho's salary is apparently common knowledge.

He can be sour some of the time, but at least he's won stuff in the big time leagues and cup competitions.
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Post by JAS on Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:03 am

Time will tell whether he’s a has been or not, I think he was on a hiding to nothing at Man U, Klopp was pretty much established at Liverpool and was well down the curve of shaping things his way. Guardiola, didn’t really have much of a rebuild to do at city. Mourinho with the best will in the world was never going to walk into United and instantly reverse a decline that had been in motion since Fergies retirement, it would have taken 2-3 more years for him to have Man U seriously competing with Liverpool & City. A bit like asking Kipchogi to win a marathon but letting Mo Farah start 5 miles ahead.

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Post by super_realist on Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 am

His second stint at Chelsea was poor too.
He hasn't had a better win % than 59% in six years.

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Post by McLaren on Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:11 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Amazing how what, I would imagine, is confidential info re. Mourinho's salary is apparently common knowledge.
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Yes this is something I have always wondered about financial reporting around football transfers. How come the transfer fee and salary are reported often before the player is even signed to the club or for a new contract. Some of the info might come out when the club does its financial reports but the rest of the time these numbers must be practically made up. I am sure agents float numbers out there to boost their clients chances of a better salary but most of the time it is probably just complete rumour.
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Post by pedro on Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:54 pm

Is the £13m including free lunch?

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Post by pedro on Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:56 pm

Surely it must be the agents leaking the salaries to boost their own standing in the food chain. Not unlike guys bragging about how many women they have bedded.

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Post by dynamark on Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:41 pm

£8m was the figure touted yesterday but its still a living wage -until Jezza gets in and all footballers and managers will be off.Last one out put the lights out(to reduce carbon footprint)
Todays show promised to double the number of houses built at present- double.So where do the tradesmen land and finance come from. It is just impossible to make that kind of thing happen over the short term maybe over 10 years.There is virtually no unemployment at present so no one sitting waiting to become a bricky or joiner or eco worker
We have been insulating houses since 1978 when grants were first introduced.Corbyn is verging on madness in my opinion.I work for a social housing business and we build hundreds of houses a year as do many others.One of our lettings agents spoke to a young man sitting outside the local Aldi recently (homeless) and said we can help you he declined and said he would rather live rough -incredible .

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Post by JAS on Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:35 am

dynamark wrote:£8m was the figure touted yesterday but its still a living wage -until Jezza gets in and all footballers and managers will be off.Last one out put the lights out(to reduce carbon footprint)
Todays show promised to double the number of houses built at present- double.So where do the tradesmen land and finance come from. It is just impossible to make that kind of thing happen over the short term maybe over 10 years.There is virtually no unemployment at present so no one sitting waiting to become a bricky or joiner or eco worker
We have been insulating houses since 1978 when grants were first introduced.Corbyn is verging on madness in my opinion.I work for a social housing business and we build hundreds of houses a year as do many others.One of our lettings agents spoke to a young man sitting outside the local Aldi recently (homeless) and said we can help you he declined and said he would rather live rough -incredible .

Flip it the other way Dyna, do we have a housing crisis in this country or not? Is it worth carrying the amount of homeless that we have and the ones we have living in utter squalor. Or are those things an utterly shameful statistic for the worlds supposed 5th wealthiest “democracy”

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