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Post by Duty281 on Sun 05 Jan 2020, 2:14 pm

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As per LT's original post:
New Zealand

T20 Internationals

Friday November 1st - Christchurch
Sunday November 3rd - Wellington
Tuesday November 5th - Nelson
Friday November 8th - Napier
Sunday November 10th - Auckland

Squad
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) captain
Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Tom Banton (Somerset)
Sam Billings (Kent)
Pat Brown (Worcestershire)
Sam Curran (Surrey)
Tom Curran (Surrey)
Joe Denly (Kent)
Lewis Gregory (Somerset)
Chris Jordan (Sussex)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Dawid Malan (Middlesex)
Matt Parkinson (Lancashire)
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
James Vince (Hampshire)


Tests

Wednesday November 20th - Tauranga
Thursday November 28th - Hamilton

Squad
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Rory Burns (Surrey)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Sam Curran (Surrey)
Joe Denly (Kent)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Dominic Sibley (Warwickshire)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)



South Africa

Tests

Thursday 26th December - Centurion
Friday January 3rd - Cape Town
Thursday January 16th - Port Elizabeth
Friday January 24th - Johannesburg

Squad
Ill


ODI
Tuesday 4th February - Cape Town
Friday 7th February - Durban
Sunday 9th February - Johannesburg

Squad
Ill

T20 Internationals

Wednesday 12th February - East London
Friday 14th February - Durban
Sunday 16th February - Centurion


Sri Lanka

March 7th - Warm up 1, Katunayake (3 day)
March 12th - Warm up 2, Colombo (3 day)
March 19th - 1st Test, Galle
March 27th - 2nd Test, Colombo

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 7:52 am

Mo is getting a game today

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 8:36 am

Presumably they're not too bothered about the result...these are really being treated as practice games. Sensible enough though I do wonder why Jordan is playing instead of Woakes ?
Mahmoud off to a good start ...trims the bails to remove Hendricks ...was an excellent piece of bowling . 23/1 from 8

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:02 am

Root rather oddly on before either of the proper spinners...could have had de Kock then if he'd had a slip in place ; but as it was he went for nine .
Jordan bowling OK. Guess he's in as practice for the t20s.
60/1 in the 15th.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:22 am

And the rather expensive Root experiment comes to an end... Moeen on. Will be interesting to see if he's in the mood.

Can't help feeling England have rather let SA bed in a bit too easily after some probing early overs. Though Bavuma and de Kock have played well. Rashid joins his spin twin in action...

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:33 am

And good work from Rashid...totally bamboozling Bavuma and trapping him very plumb lbw. TV umpire stupidly holding up things by searching desperately for an inside edge Smile
Good breakthrough.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:33 am

Rashid picking up a crucial wicket in the middle overs phase.

Just like the old days. De Kock will be the key as to whether or not South Africa get a strong score.

Two in two!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:37 am

Erm...what?
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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:38 am

Ok, South Africa for some reason have been given two reviews instead of the ICC mandated one. And then Dussen is allowed to review about thirty seconds after the dismissal after being pushed back onto the field by another official.

Bizarre.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:38 am

And two in two Yahoo

van der Dussen gone first ball. But what is this nonsense ? TV umpire still trying to mess with the process...review was lost ! So now they have (a) reprieved v d Dussen - and (b) apparently given SA back the review Bavuma wasted.
Sorry but that is rubbish.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:38 am

What? How do they just get another review???
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Post by JDizzle on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:40 am

It will be because they didn’t have ultraedge for the Bavuma dismissal? So they aren’t counting that. But he missed it by miles!

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:41 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:What? How do they just get another review???

According to Cricinfo, because Ultraedge wasn’t working for the Bavuma dismissal (where he definitely didn’t hit it) it’s gone down as umpire’s call and SA retain their review. Which is a nonsense. Though I’m unsure why this wasn’t communicated immediately, and why Dussen was given all the time in the world to review.

Justice now, anyway. Moeen clean bowls him.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 9:42 am

OK the second lbw was a wrong call by the umpire. So fair enough he's survived. But the nonsense is the reasoning that because ultra edge wasn't working in the Bavuma appeal it should change the rules : a blind man could see he didn't come close to hitting it !

Really doesn't matter as Moeen has done for Dussie now...

94/3

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 10:02 am

Not quite sure what it is but I find Van Der Dussen to be a very unlikeable player.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 10:10 am

Soul Requiem wrote:Not quite sure what it is but I find Van Der Dussen to be a very unlikeable player.

Because over the course of this tour, he’s been the luckiest batsman to face england since Brad Haddin edged everything past or over the slips?
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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 10:11 am

Rashid has come back into the side with a bang ...does for de Kock after his handy 59 and at 140/4 in the 31st SA are in a precarious position...
Need something from Miller. Not a lot else to come.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 10:27 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Not quite sure what it is but I find Van Der Dussen to be a very unlikeable player.

Because over the course of this tour, he’s been the luckiest batsman to face england since Brad Haddin edged everything past or over the slips?

I just tend to think a player should have more integrity in that situation.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 10:55 am

alfie wrote:Rashid has come back into the side with a bang ...does for de Kock after his handy 59 and at 140/4 in the 31st SA are in a precarious position...
Need something from Miller. Not a lot else to come.

With the amount of action Dilly was getting on the ball, looks like his shoulder has healed.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:01 am

This review situation is making a mockery of this match, giving SA licence to review every decision.

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:17 am

Morgan’s use of Mahmood seems a bit odd? Has good figures, but looks as though he isn’t going to get another bowl!

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:25 am

Yes. I've been away for a bit but surprised to see Root has bowled seven overs and Mahmood hasn't been used since his (very good !) early spell.
Odd.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:28 am

Miller fifty . Seems to have got SA within grasp of 250 but you wouldn't think that will be enough.
Jordan going for a few now...

England not ruthless enough today ?

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:32 am

alfie wrote:Miller fifty . Seems to have got SA within grasp of 250 but you wouldn't think that will be enough.
Jordan going for a few now...

England not ruthless enough today ?

The drop off from Wood and Archer to Curran and Jordan is massive, it really shows in these final overs.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:37 am

Well I reckon Morgan has got it wrong here today. Mahmood a spectator since the early overs and Jordan going round the park...

Or is something wrong with Mahmood , perhaps ?

Curran has been good today , has he not ?

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:40 am

Jordan was absolute garbage at the end there.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:41 am

Fine effort Miller clap

256. About twenty more than it might have been. Still looks thin...but with England seemingly a bit off the boil at the moment , who knows ?

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 11:50 am

So sky get rid of Botham and Gower but keep hold of the inept Lloyd who happens to be just about the most embarrassing pundit in all of sport.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 12:00 pm

Likely to be a few short, like England in the first ODI. Good to see classic Rashid ODI figures.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 12:21 pm

Plenty of positives for England. Rashid isn't spent force. Mo bowled 10 overs without having a nervous breakdown. Mahmood looks like he deserves to be playing international cricket.

Hopefully the batting will get a decent run and not struggle with another sticky pitch.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 12:55 pm

Bairstow gone full T20 beast mode. Outcome of this one not really in doubt now.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 1:24 pm

Except it isn't a T20, Goose. Never count your chickens before they hatch as they say.

I guess it's up to the two Joes now after these few wickets... then Banton and Tom Curran.
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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 1:31 pm

Classic kiss of death comment wasnt it!

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 1:40 pm

Shamzi looks like a chucker to me.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 3:03 pm

The Denly Bus is coming, and everybody’s jumping

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 3:43 pm

Jees I hope this is a another "training scenario" thing cos they are doing their best to mess this up

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Post by VTR on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 3:47 pm

It's either that or an attempt to recreate the excitement of the World Cup final

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 3:57 pm

We win the series on boundary count - pop open the champagne!
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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 4:12 pm

Good to see Mo do OK but maybe more frustration for Banton?
I hope he was told to go play his natural game and finish it quickly, in theory he should've been playing a much more considered innings to see the game home with them way ahead of the run rate. 32 is not quite enough to really announce him as an England player and getting out when he did sparked the second mini collapse.
As much as Denlys been the one that's carried England a bit with the bat in the series Banton is far more likely to be a player who could improve a first choice white ball team for games that matter ( t20 world cup)


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 4:16 pm

Good interview with Rashid by Ward there - no injections in his shoulder since the World Cup, sounds like he thinks he’s nearly back to full health with it (a lot of gym work and “naturally” getting better he says).

He also rules out going to tour Sri Lanka - concentrating on white ball stuff, and he says if he was to play he feels he’d need to go play in the county game and prove his worth, rather than just being handed a call up. Doesn’t rule out doing that in the future, interestingly
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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 4:19 pm

I hope Rashid can maintain his current ability and fitness until the next World Cup in India, where he could be a crucial weapon for England. He’ll be 34/35 then, so not entirely out of the question.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 4:26 pm

It's a big hit to miss him for sri lanka but pretty much guarantees Parkinson a seat on the plane for tests if Denly is getting dropped as rumoured.
Guess we just have to be happy he will be a possible for the T20 world cup. Hes getting on now so I guess treat every game as a bonus.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Mon 10 Feb 2020, 2:51 pm

It was only 17 runs off 16 balls but I thought Moeen did pretty well to see England over the line yesterday, looked to be in control of his technique again and the trademark cover drive was as delightful as ever.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 10 Feb 2020, 3:01 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:It was only 17 runs off 16 balls but I thought Moeen did pretty well to see England over the line yesterday, looked to be in control of his technique again and the trademark cover drive was as delightful as ever.

Bowled nicely in tandem with Rashid too - as ever, economical to allow Rashid to be a bit more attacking.

Would be good if he can get himself to the point of being an option for the test squad again - whilst Leach has been good overall, he clearly has issues with fitness/travel, and Bess is still only a promising future option at this point.
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Post by king_carlos on Mon 10 Feb 2020, 7:07 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51441499

Chris Silverwood wrote:"My dream would be to have three fast bowlers all working together at any given point - one of them sat out, getting his feet up, getting the rest that he needs. And we can keep him on the park for longer.

With Archer injured which bowlers go to Sri Lanka could be indicative of who Silverwood thinks that third pace bowler could be.

Olly Stone? Josh Tongue? Richard Gleeson?

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Post by JDizzle on Mon 10 Feb 2020, 8:39 pm

king_carlos wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51441499

Chris Silverwood wrote:"My dream would be to have three fast bowlers all working together at any given point - one of them sat out, getting his feet up, getting the rest that he needs. And we can keep him on the park for longer.

With Archer injured which bowlers go to Sri Lanka could be indicative of who Silverwood thinks that third pace bowler could be.

Olly Stone? Josh Tongue? Richard Gleeson?

Gleeson has a sneaky brilliant FC record! Only 33 games at aged 32, but averages 21 with a s/r of 39. And he does have a bit of pace. Imagine Saqib is head of them in the pecking order - bar Stones, if he is fit.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 10 Feb 2020, 9:25 pm

Mahmood and Stone being on pace bowler specific development contracts makes it pretty clear who the reserves are.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 11 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm

England have recalled opener Keaton Jennings and wicketkeeper-batsman Ben Foakes for next month's Sri Lanka tour.

Neither has played for England in a Test since the tour of the West Indies at the start of 2019.

James Anderson, England's leading Test wicket-taker, is omitted as he recovers from a cracked rib suffered in the 3-1 series win in South Africa.

Batsman Jonny Bairstow and all-rounder Moeen Ali will also miss the two-Test series, which starts on 19 March.

Jofra Archer had already been ruled out because of a low-grade stress fracture in his right elbow, but fellow fast bowler Mark Wood will make the trip.

Left-arm spinner Jack Leach came back to England from the tour of South Africa in January because of illness but returns to the squad of 16 players.

"The South Africa tour marked the emergence of a very exciting group of young players, creating a nice balance with an experienced core of senior players," said national selector Ed Smith.

"That squad is mostly retained, with some tweaks relevant to injury, rest and the challenges of playing in subcontinent conditions.

"Jonny Bairstow has been in England squads across the three formats without a significant break. This two-Test tour presents a good opportunity for Jonny to be rested.

"Moeen Ali is still unavailable for Test selection. The selectors are in consistent dialogue with Moeen and he remains a valued player in England cricket."

England Test squad: Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain, Dominic Bess (Somerset), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Zak Crawley (Kent), Sam Curran (Surrey), Joe Denly (Kent), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Keaton Jennings (Lancashire), Jack Leach (Somerset), Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Dominic Sibley (Warwickshire), Ben Stokes (Durham) vice-captain, Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham)

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 11 Feb 2020, 1:30 pm

A shame Moeen isn't available, makes it tough to play 3 full spinners without completely screwing the balance of the side. Jennings, as mooted on here, makes a lot of sense...albeit not sure he'll actually get a game.

Imagine the XI will be this all going well;

Sibley
Crawley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Curran
Bess
Leach
Wood

Curran/Woakes at 8 as basically an extra bat, and 4/5th bowling option.
Wood/Broad I would guess get a game each
Foakes gets the gloves over Buttler if he shows form with the bat
Jennings on the bench, depending on how Sibley/Crawley do in the warm ups
Denly/Root to form the 3rd spin option
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Post by Duty281 on Tue 11 Feb 2020, 1:36 pm

Surprised Broad’s in the squad, thought he might get a rest. Otherwise it’s as expected. If Moeen can’t get into the test squad for a Sri Lanka tour, it casts grave doubts on his chances of ever getting back into the side.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 11 Feb 2020, 1:43 pm

Broad said himself there was no point in taking him!
At least Curran/Woakes give the option of playing 3 spinners without having a long tail. Theres very little test experience between those 3 spinners, and only one has a decent amount of first class cricket.
As bad as Sri Lanka are this could be a very tough series for England.

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