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Post by Duty281 Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:33 am

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Pr4wn wrote:Why are 16 and 17 year olds old enough to pay tax but not old enough to vote?

Good point, take them out of having to pay tax.

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Post by Duty281 Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:13 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Samo wrote:Didnt he also vote against his own government more times than any other MP?

A record number of times. During the Labour governments he voted against the whip 428 times. Kind of makes it hard to keep discipline as leader when you have that kind of reputation.

Bit like Ryan Giggs managing Wales and trying to convince the players to turn up.

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:58 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn Labour 2017....

Accept referendum result.
Negotiate Custom's Union.
Push for Single Market access.

Now we are headed for No Deal.. Millions Unemployed...Businesses destroyed or fleeing abroad for less red tape.

Well done to ChangeUK..The Lib Dems and Blairites for trashing a Unity Govt to keep a Socialist out.

You think Covid is bad on the Economy wait for No deal Brexit..

Bleak decade coming up folks.

Yeah if only Corbyn had attacked the government when it was most vulnerable, when, for instance, the Cambridge Analytica scandal was breaking, things might have been different. But you know - 'buses'.

You are shouting at the people who had the balls to stand up and say Brexit is a very stupid idea, and one that was brought in through questionable actions and outlandish claims. Corbyn was bad news all the way through this. Divisive in his own party, and divisive on the doorstep. Never put the right pressure on the government at the right time and always backing that government when it really mattered.

You'll complain about the media coverage he got, with some reason, but the way that Corbyn dealt with that was to wallow in the 'poor me' aspects rather than try to change the narrative. That kind of thing appeals to the people who want a cause, a martyr to follow, and that brought a lot of people into the Labour party, but it did not bring over the wider population. If he had really, truly, stuck to calling out the government over issues with real meat on them then eventually the media, or at least some of it, would have picked those themes up and run with them. But no...

You also haven't responded to my comments on the Government of National Unity (A Gnu - a compromise between a horse and an antelope). That was a non starter again because of Corbyn. Because it would have depended on MP's who quit labour because of Corbyn. He was incapable of stepping back, at least for a short period, to let someone take leadership who those MP's could have trusted. As ever it is their fault for not buying into the Corbyn cult, just as it is our fault for not voting for him at the last election. Saintly JC is never at fault himself.

We have had a succession of terrible Conservative governments, each one worse than the last. One of the reasons they have got away with so much is purely because they have not had an effective opposition. Even when the opposition landed some solid blows, like over Grenfell, it was down to the likes of Lammy and Cooper, very talented people pushed to the back benches, not Corbyn.

Corbyn is not the main reason we are where we are right now, but he surely has played his part in this farce.
clap clap clap

Corbyn defeated the Govt more than any Labour Leader in history...Look at the data...

Please feel free to research before you post guys.

41 times which is only surpassed by Thatcher 76-79..

Post is for lost in wales not you Navy.....Lost is generally more informed.
Just grow up, why don't you? I'll simply delete in future, rather than comment. Have a nice day.
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Post by Pr4wn Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:34 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn Labour 2017....

Accept referendum result.
Negotiate Custom's Union.
Push for Single Market access.

Now we are headed for No Deal.. Millions Unemployed...Businesses destroyed or fleeing abroad for less red tape.

Well done to ChangeUK..The Lib Dems and Blairites for trashing a Unity Govt to keep a Socialist out.

You think Covid is bad on the Economy wait for No deal Brexit..

Bleak decade coming up folks.

Yeah if only Corbyn had attacked the government when it was most vulnerable, when, for instance, the Cambridge Analytica scandal was breaking, things might have been different. But you know - 'buses'.

You are shouting at the people who had the balls to stand up and say Brexit is a very stupid idea, and one that was brought in through questionable actions and outlandish claims. Corbyn was bad news all the way through this. Divisive in his own party, and divisive on the doorstep. Never put the right pressure on the government at the right time and always backing that government when it really mattered.

You'll complain about the media coverage he got, with some reason, but the way that Corbyn dealt with that was to wallow in the 'poor me' aspects rather than try to change the narrative. That kind of thing appeals to the people who want a cause, a martyr to follow, and that brought a lot of people into the Labour party, but it did not bring over the wider population. If he had really, truly, stuck to calling out the government over issues with real meat on them then eventually the media, or at least some of it, would have picked those themes up and run with them. But no...

You also haven't responded to my comments on the Government of National Unity (A Gnu - a compromise between a horse and an antelope). That was a non starter again because of Corbyn. Because it would have depended on MP's who quit labour because of Corbyn. He was incapable of stepping back, at least for a short period, to let someone take leadership who those MP's could have trusted. As ever it is their fault for not buying into the Corbyn cult, just as it is our fault for not voting for him at the last election. Saintly JC is never at fault himself.

We have had a succession of terrible Conservative governments, each one worse than the last. One of the reasons they have got away with so much is purely because they have not had an effective opposition. Even when the opposition landed some solid blows, like over Grenfell, it was down to the likes of Lammy and Cooper, very talented people pushed to the back benches, not Corbyn.

Corbyn is not the main reason we are where we are right now, but he surely has played his part in this farce.
clap clap clap

Corbyn defeated the Govt more than any Labour Leader in history...Look at the data...

Please feel free to research before you post guys.

41 times which is only surpassed by Thatcher 76-79..

Post is for lost in wales not you Navy.....Lost is generally more informed.

This is a last warning for any more deliberately wumming comments before bans start coming out. Strong opinions either way are fine, but going personally after fellow posters won't be tolerated.

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Post by Pr4wn Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:34 pm

That's that, then.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:10 am

Back to normal (ish) politics soon, hopefully, with local elections, devolved elections and mayoral elections happening in May, as well as a budget in early March.

Work to do for Sir Kier with the Tories leading in 20 of the last 21 polls, but only by an average margin of around 4% (though this is on the increase). This is a much better position than Labour were in this time last year (when the Tory lead was around 15-20%), but a worse one than a few months ago in late October/early November when Labour were posting quite a few leads.

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