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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:19 am

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Thought I'd start this thread since no-one else has yet.

First glimpse of this season's cars as Haas unveil their entry for this year. Not really much difference visually from last season, but then there haven't been any major rule changes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51405017

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Have to say I quite like this livery.

Feel free to add more pics as they are released...
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Post by GSC on Fri May 22, 2020 11:17 am

Bottas is managed by Toto yeah.

I think Bottas as much as anything has ran out of chances to prove he can be anything more than a #2 to Lewis. And I would guess he's not that cost effective compared to drivers who could do a similar job for the team.
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Fri May 22, 2020 11:39 am

GSC wrote:Bottas is managed by Toto yeah.

I think Bottas as much as anything has ran out of chances to prove he can be anything more than a #2 to Lewis. And I would guess he's not that cost effective compared to drivers who could do a similar job for the team.
I think this hits the nail on the head tbh.

When you do a quick comparison between Hamilton vs Rosberg / Hamilton vs Bottas it’s clearly evident that Bottas has reached his ceiling.

Hamilton/Rosberg 2014-16: Hamilton 31 wins and Rosberg 20 wins
Hamilton/Bottas 2017-19: Hamilton 31 wins and Bottas 7 wins - Bottas lost a couple of wins but still he’s absolutely been pounded into submission.


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Post by No name Bertie on Fri May 22, 2020 3:16 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:... it’s rather obvious that Mercedes will sign Vettel. Aside from Daimler wanting Vettel, German sports minister has requested a ‘solution’ for Vettel. IIRC if Vettel quits there will no German drivers for the first time in 25 years. Bitter pill to swallow for the powerhouse nation of automobiles...
It seems that the German Government are rather nationalistic. If a member of the British Government said something like that they would be accused of nationalism and interfering into areas that don't concern them.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Fri May 22, 2020 4:04 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:... it’s rather obvious that Mercedes will sign Vettel. Aside from Daimler wanting Vettel, German sports minister has requested a ‘solution’ for Vettel. IIRC if Vettel quits there will no German drivers for the first time in 25 years. Bitter pill to swallow for the powerhouse nation of automobiles...
It seems that the German Government are rather nationalistic.   If a member of the British Government said something like that they would be accused of nationalism and interfering into areas that don't concern them.
Tbh the automotive industry is Germany’s main market. Mercedes + Vettel would probably help their market post pandemic.

Also Mercedes left the door open by never signing Bottas up for a longer deal.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Sat May 23, 2020 9:43 am

No name Bertie wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:... it’s rather obvious that Mercedes will sign Vettel. Aside from Daimler wanting Vettel, German sports minister has requested a ‘solution’ for Vettel. IIRC if Vettel quits there will no German drivers for the first time in 25 years. Bitter pill to swallow for the powerhouse nation of automobiles...
It seems that the German Government are rather nationalistic.   If a member of the British Government said something like that they would be accused of nationalism and interfering into areas that don't concern them.

Even more hypocritical considering they're clearly not that bothered about supporting races in their country.
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Thu May 28, 2020 10:05 am

Dutch GP is cancelled

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Post by Just John on Fri May 29, 2020 9:09 am

Williams are for sale. No real surprise.

Few sources claiming this will be Toto Wolff’s last season at Mercedes. Either a clean break from the sport, or a move to Aston Martin for, 2021.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Fri May 29, 2020 9:13 am

The Williams literally carries no prestige anymore. Without a full manufacture takeover by an Audi/VW or Nissan for example the team is finished.

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Post by Just John on Fri May 29, 2020 9:38 am

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Michael Latifi try for a full takeover.

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Post by GSC on Fri May 29, 2020 9:55 am

Sad day. The Williams name will always be iconic within Formula One, even if the modern day team has been a shadow of its former self for a while now.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri May 29, 2020 1:05 pm

GSC wrote:Sad day. The Williams name will always be iconic within Formula One, even if the modern day team has been a shadow of its former self for a while now.

It is indeed. Just highlights how much the sport has changed over the years, to the point its now impossible for "privateer" teams to compete. You've got to be owned, or at least bankrolled by companies or consortiums with serious financial clout, or you're not going to last very long.

Just look at McLaren and the problems they've been though...right up to having to lay off staff and cut costs...and they're backed by the flippin' national bank of Bahrain!

Still came as a bit of a shock though, as Williams were supposed to have undergone a major restructuring after their recent troubles, both to improve their competitiveness and financial position.

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The Williams literally carries no prestige anymore. Without a full manufacture takeover by an Audi/VW or Nissan for example the team is finished.

I guess you're not familiar with their history. They are still one of the most successful F1 teams of all time. It may have been over 20 years since they last won a title but they are still 3rd in the all-time list with 114 race wins...only bettered by McLaren and Ferrari. Their most recent win being in 2012...so not that long ago.

Despite the huge drought since their heyday, they are STILL 2nd in the list of constructors' champions with 9 titles...again only bettered by Ferrari. Last achieved in 1997. Even McLaren haven't done that since 1998.

They can boast world champion drivers including Alan Jones, Keke Rosberg, Nelson Piquet, Alan Prost, Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill & Jacques Villeneuve.

A couple of decades in the wilderness doesn't diminish those achievements. Especially when you consider how many teams that have existed who haven't achieved a fraction of this...or been around nearly as long.
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Fri May 29, 2020 1:28 pm

Williams' success was in an era where privateer teams could prosper as manufactures often only supplied engines - aside from Ferrari. Renault, Honda, Mercedes, and a few others.

Once manufacturers started getting more involved, Williams became what they really are - a privateer team.

Williams' decline has been since they opted to ditch Barrichello and secondly Massa for an assortment of mediocre pay drivers. The die has been cast a long time ago.

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