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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri 07 Feb 2020, 1:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

Thought I'd start this thread since no-one else has yet.

First glimpse of this season's cars as Haas unveil their entry for this year. Not really much difference visually from last season, but then there haven't been any major rule changes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51405017

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Have to say I quite like this livery.

Feel free to add more pics as they are released...
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:36 pm

Jesus Christ - absolute carnage! Shocked

2 cars out on the first lap - Verstappen & Gasly, then chaos on the main straight right at the restart, after 6 laps behind the SC.

6 retirements already.

I can see why some are angry at the restart being held up so long, but the rules state the lead car dictates when the race is actually back on.

Given Hamilton was right up his gearbox, I can understand why Bottas held back so long.


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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:38 pm

GSC wrote:Bottas is now the one under pressure to get off the line. Bit of a get out of jail free card for Lewis

A shame as Valtteri absolutely nailed his start and handled the re-start pretty well.

Also a shame lots of drivers further back forgot the lead car decides when the race is back on.
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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:45 pm

If anything they called in the SC too late in the lap. A few too many thinking about turn 1 I think
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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:49 pm

Too early for hards to go to the end but could go medium medium from here
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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:51 pm

Ocon retires. Russell in to 10th

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:51 pm

Ocons brakes gone so he's out too
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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 3:59 pm

Hamilton leads

Albon awful

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:01 pm

And you can probably go back to bed now
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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:42 pm

Ricciardo, Stroll and Albon fighting for the last podium position

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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:46 pm

Stroll bins it. Safety car out

Red flag. 20 mins left, might run out of time

Hamilton, Bottas and then Ricciardo as it stands

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:51 pm

Poor Lance, screwed by the strategy of an undercut earlier and now a puncture #ourLance
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:54 pm

Wow - 2nd red flag after Stroll goes off.

Funny - Bottas was saying another SC would be nice. Now he's got the next best thing.

Wonder if he can repeat his first start?
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 4:55 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Poor Lance, screwed by the strategy of an undercut earlier and now a puncture #ourLance

Just crap driving really - he couldn't stay off the kerbs and broke his car as a result. raspberry

Everyone must have heard Mercedes' message to Lewis & Valtteri.
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Post by Marky on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:00 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Poor Lance, screwed by the strategy of an undercut earlier and now a puncture #ourLance

Just crap driving really - he couldn't stay off the kerbs and broke his car as a result. raspberry

Everyone must have heard Mercedes' message to Lewis & Valtteri.

Lance obviously didn't hear it unless he was told by his own mechanic.

I think its a part of the wider conspiracy. He was closing up on Ricciardo and the F1 mafia couldn't handle Stroll getting another podium.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a sniper that took his wheel out. Disgusting in this day and age.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:03 pm

This is why we’ve never raced at Mugello before. The fencing is designed for motorcycles and it’s very difficult to shift cars.

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm

Time limit doesn't apply to red flag stoppages I'm pretty sure
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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:24 pm

Bottas is just horrific. Feel for Ricciardo though, he deserved that podium.

Hamilton wins, Bottas in 2nd and Albon takes his first podium.

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Post by Marky on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:39 pm

George Russell choked so badly today

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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:43 pm

Bleh - that was frustrating!

When he really needed to Valtteri just couldn't nail his start. Seemed more interested in harvesting battery energy to get the fastest lap, rather than putting any real pressure on Lewis (which didn't work either).

Congrats to Albon - great drive for 3rd. OK Finally got that monkey of a maiden podium off his back, after a few nearly races and a run of poor results. Hope this boosts his confidence and he can start to deliver more consistently.

Another good drive by Ricciardo - had Bottas worried for a bit after the final restart. Looked like his car just didn't have the pace to live with the Mercs or the Red Bull. 4th still a good result for him.

Another solid result for Lando and McLaren.

Kimi finishing in the top 10 for Alfa...but if I'm reading the timings right, his 5 sec penalty will drop him out of the top 10 and George Russell will pick up a point for Williams...


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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:45 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:This is why we’ve never raced at Mugello before. The fencing is designed for motorcycles and it’s very difficult to shift cars.

Still, it was a pretty good spectacle. I would hope they make some upgrades to the infrastructure and marshalling / recovery facilities. Would be nice if they could alternate between Monza and Mugello in future.
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Post by Marky on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:47 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:Kimi finishing in the top 10 for Alfa...but if I'm reading the timings right, his 5 sec penalty will drop him out of the top 10 and George Russell will pick up a point for Williams...

You aren't. Kimi only dropped behind Leclerc

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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:49 pm

As for Albon, this was really the only realistic circumstances for him to finally be able to achieve that elusive podium. A driver who requires chaos, mis-fortune of others, or SC/red flag situations, in order to become competitive.

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:52 pm

Interesting race. Not sure it was a classic, the highlight reel would be limited to the 3 starts and SC. Not much happened otherwise
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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:54 pm

As for Albon, I think for all the criticism, this was a response. Much like Gasly last year or Stroll, easy to forget they are all still young drivers learning. As much as I'm sure he was happy to see Gasly win at Monza, it did little to lessen the pressure on him, so this was a good drive under pressure.

Also good to finally get the podium Lewis was hell bent on denying him
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 5:57 pm

Just John wrote:As for Albon, this was really the only realistic circumstances for him to finally be able to achieve that elusive podium. A driver who requires chaos, mis-fortune of others, or SC/red flag situations, in order to become competitive.

Thats really unfair.

It was equally possible he could have been caught up in the chaos and had another DNF or finished at the back.

Instead he navigated through it and got himself into a good position to make a comeback...from 7th remember.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 6:04 pm

GSC wrote:Interesting race. Not sure it was a classic, the highlight reel would be limited to the 3 starts and SC. Not much happened otherwise

Well, you could say that about a lot of races. As Jeff pointed out, Mugello wasn't really designed to host F1 races, with all those curves, one after the other. Great for bikes - not so good for cars. Maybe if they built an alternate section with an extra straight and perhaps widened it at a few places it could be a lot better.


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Post by Just John on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 6:05 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Just John wrote:As for Albon, this was really the only realistic circumstances for him to finally be able to achieve that elusive podium. A driver who requires chaos, mis-fortune of others, or SC/red flag situations, in order to become competitive.

Thats really unfair

It’s the truth. Some people don’t like hearing it. If Ferrari were competitive and RB weren’t comfortably sitting second in the WDC, he wouldn’t be there.

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 6:08 pm

If Mercedes weren't clear of the rest of the field Hamilton wouldn't be about to tie Schumacher's record

So. ****ing. What?
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Post by Marky on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 6:22 pm

Just John wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:
Just John wrote:As for Albon, this was really the only realistic circumstances for him to finally be able to achieve that elusive podium. A driver who requires chaos, mis-fortune of others, or SC/red flag situations, in order to become competitive.

Thats really unfair

It’s the truth. Some people don’t like hearing it. If Ferrari were competitive and RB weren’t comfortably sitting second in the WDC, he wouldn’t be there.

Imagine being egomaniacal enough to refer to your own opinion as "the truth" Laugh

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm

Bottas and Verstappen got great starts.  Bottas went ahead of Hamilton, Verstappen pulled to the side to overtake Hamilton but then lost power and drifted backwards and got caught up in the melee.

The restart crash was an issue with the way the restarts have been engineered for maximum excitement and many drivers called it unsafe and suggested it should be reviewed.

It was a shame that Bottas was unable to maintain the lead from the standing start after the first red flag and then was unable to challenge Hamilton at the second standing start following the second red flag session.


With regard to Albon I listen to the post-qualifying and after race interviews of Christian Horner and others who know what is happening behind the scenes with regard the cars and their performances.  

For example we were told that the Red Bull did not perform as predicted from the wind tunnel simulations - they weren't getting the downforce predicted at the start of the season - and so they had to go back and do some redesigning.  

Verstappen has been getting all the new updated parts first because Verstappen is their number one driver and Albon is having to wait.  This is all entirely understandable and Horner seems to be happy with Albon's progress given the circumstances.  

As previously mentioned in earlier comments, the second seat issue started with Ricciardo, one of the most talented drivers of his generation, quitting Red Bull because he felt he wouldn't get equal treatment with Verstappen - or at least that is what I heard - whether that was the reason I don't know but it seemed plausible.  Whatever the reason Ricciardo left Red Bull for a less competitive team.

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Post by GSC on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 10:13 pm

The restart crash is too many drivers trying to get the best jump
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Sun 13 Sep 2020, 11:58 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:This is why we’ve never raced at Mugello before. The fencing is designed for motorcycles and it’s very difficult to shift cars.

Still, it was a pretty good spectacle. I would hope they make some upgrades to the infrastructure and marshalling / recovery facilities. Would be nice if they could alternate between Monza and Mugello in future.
Unfortunately this will never happen. Monza is owned by the Italian government whereas Mugello obviously is owned by Ferrari. If a deal to alternate happened, it would eventually lead to the Italian GP permanently moving to Mugello - the local government would save massive money if Ferrari footed the bill for the official Italian GP.

As much as I love Mugello, this is 99% likely a one and done.

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Post by GSC on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 10:24 am

They do have an opportunity to cycle some races annually as proven by what they've put together.

Obviously you're going to Monaco (sadly), Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka every year but it does no harm to see Turkey once every 2 years etc.
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Post by GSC on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 10:25 am

And particularly when you see these classic tracks ignored in favour of driving on modified motorways like Baku or Hanoi
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 12:33 pm

GSC wrote:If Mercedes weren't clear of the rest of the field Hamilton wouldn't be about to tie Schumacher's record


And if Ferrari weren't so far clear of the field Schumacher wouldn't have been able to set the records.
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Post by GSC on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 2:31 pm

Exactly.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 2:45 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:This is why we’ve never raced at Mugello before. The fencing is designed for motorcycles and it’s very difficult to shift cars.

Still, it was a pretty good spectacle. I would hope they make some upgrades to the infrastructure and marshalling / recovery facilities. Would be nice if they could alternate between Monza and Mugello in future.
Unfortunately this will never happen. Monza is owned by the Italian government whereas Mugello obviously is owned by Ferrari. If a deal to alternate happened, it would eventually lead to the Italian GP permanently moving to Mugello - the local government would save massive money if Ferrari footed the bill for the official Italian GP.

As much as I love Mugello, this is 99% likely a one and done.

True but there have been many instances where a country has held more than one race a year. Germany for example held the German and European Grand Prixs at Hockenheim and Nurburgring in the same season and I recall Britain doing it too at Silverstone and Brands Hatch. One year the USA held three Grand Prixs.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 14 Sep 2020, 3:17 pm

GSC wrote:And particularly when you see these classic tracks ignored in favour of driving on modified motorways like Baku or Hanoi

Yes I agree and many of those modern tracks were designed by Herman Tillke and accepted willingly by Bernie Ecclestone. These decisions need reversing as so many of his circuits are sterile and without character plus the long concrete run-off areas encouraging sloppy driving not to be punished.
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Tue 15 Sep 2020, 8:05 am

Mercedes parent group finally reached settlement with US government over the diesel emissions scandal - Daimler will pay out $1.5bn to end the matter.
No wonder they are looking to sell their F1 team.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Tue 15 Sep 2020, 8:14 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:This is why we’ve never raced at Mugello before. The fencing is designed for motorcycles and it’s very difficult to shift cars.

Still, it was a pretty good spectacle. I would hope they make some upgrades to the infrastructure and marshalling / recovery facilities. Would be nice if they could alternate between Monza and Mugello in future.
Unfortunately this will never happen. Monza is owned by the Italian government whereas Mugello obviously is owned by Ferrari. If a deal to alternate happened, it would eventually lead to the Italian GP permanently moving to Mugello - the local government would save massive money if Ferrari footed the bill for the official Italian GP.

As much as I love Mugello, this is 99% likely a one and done.

True but there have been many instances where a country has held more than one race a year. Germany for example held the German and European Grand Prixs at Hockenheim and Nurburgring in the same season and I recall Britain doing it too at Silverstone and Brands Hatch. One year the USA held three Grand Prixs.
Unfortunately Bernie soon realised that these wealthy non EU countries would pay so much more in hosting rights than these classics European venues.
Places like China, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, Abu Dhabi, Vietnam are happy to pay ridiculous amounts to host races - then serve up dire circuits.
I think Monza would go bankrupt if it had to compete with Mugello.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Sun 20 Sep 2020, 9:08 pm

Whisper it softly but there’s growing suggestions that Sergio Perez will join Red Bull for 2021. Alexander Albon to AlphaTauri and Daniil Kvyat out off F1.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Mon 21 Sep 2020, 5:17 pm

Seems like Adrian Newey will leave Red Bull for Aston Martin. Vettel's decision might be the right one...

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Post by GSC on Mon 21 Sep 2020, 7:14 pm

I thought they were a bunch of unqualified hicks 🤫
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Post by dyrewolfe on Tue 22 Sep 2020, 10:04 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:Whisper it softly but there’s growing suggestions that Sergio Perez will join Red Bull for 2021. Alexander Albon to AlphaTauri and Daniil Kvyat out off F1.

Interesting...Perez would be a solid choice for RB. Good but not good enough to dethrone golden boy Verstappen. Ought to be a lot more consistent than Albon. It would allow Alex to spend some time out of the spotlight and work on his driving skills.

I still reckon they would want to give Gasly another shot (provided he can produce a few more good results this season). They do seem to like keeping things in the family, as it were. But Sergio is a great alternative.


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Seems like Adrian Newey will leave Red Bull for Aston Martin. Vettel's decision might be the right one...

Only speculation in the Italian press at the moment - from Gazzetta and Corriere Dello Sport. Helmut Marko says Newey is under contract...though not for how long. Apparently this was started by Lawrence Stroll inviting Adrian to test a rare Aston Martin. If he fancied a new challenge it would be a good project for him, but as far as we know he's quite happy where he is.




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Who...what...why...? Erm
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Tue 22 Sep 2020, 10:26 am

Newey has/had a share holding in Aston Martin. As to that Marko says, there’s been a breakdown between the Austrian and Newey.

Marko suggested Newey isn’t ‘doing what is required’. Red bull panicking as Verstappen can leave at the end of 2021 if he’s not at least p2 in the championship.

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Post by Just John on Tue 22 Sep 2020, 5:27 pm

Newey’s powers have waned, and so has his interest in F1. Spent more time on the Valkyrie project and preparing for Extreme E, so not surprised by the rumour, especially as the relationship is strained at the lack of success. Aston Martin will need some expertise, to add to what is a pretty poor quality staff roster, and once they can’t copy and paste a Merc, they actually have to design something of their own.

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Sep 2020, 12:03 am

Stefano Domenicali the new CEO of F1
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Wed 23 Sep 2020, 8:40 am

Stefano Domenicali is a genuinely nice man and it’s great to see him back in the F1 gold. For me a part of Ferrari died when he left as he was one of the last ones to understand what Ferrari stood for. Liberty have bagged a gem.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 23 Sep 2020, 1:57 pm

GSC wrote:Stefano Domenicali the new CEO of F1

Ugh! Not again. What is it with appointing ex-Ferrari bosses?

IMO they should be excluded from these positions as there will invariably be favouritism, or at least a lack of objectivity. Same thing with Jean Todt at the FIA.

These positions should not be occupied by former team bosses...particularly Ferrari as they already have an unhealthy amount of influence as it is.
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Post by Jeff Navarro on Thu 24 Sep 2020, 4:14 pm

Romain Grosjean looks like he’s heading out of Haas and out of F1.
Gunther Steiner says Haas are open to giving Ferrari’s juniors opportunities in FP1 - good marketing ploy getting the Schumacher name associated with the team.

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