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Post by super_realist on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 6:46 am

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dynamark wrote:Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:25 pm

beninho wrote:I've not seen it, but from what I've read, we have a budget taking on board labour's policies on spending to benefit the country.

Free broadband for all, privatising the railways and abolishing private schools?

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Post by beninho on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:27 pm

Always with a witty response.

It would appear the chancellor thinks austerity was a failure, and spending is required. Like labour.

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Post by dynamark on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:31 pm

Whats a bus ?
according to my speed awareness course yesterday(my mistake 35 ish in a 30 out in the sticks)we loose 6 folk every day on roads rather than 25 50 years ago
I reckon we ban driving smoking drinking sport and work we should be fine

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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:35 pm

beninho wrote:Always with a witty response.

It would appear the chancellor thinks austerity was a failure, and spending is required. Like labour.

Or rather that he's trying to keep voters on side following Labour's capitulation.

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Post by beninho on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:38 pm

I did a speed course, last year. Actually found it interesting. You do realise that we have some lunatics on the road though!

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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:50 pm

beninho wrote:I did a speed course, last year. Actually found it interesting. You do realise that we have some lunatics on the road though!

In my experience Vauxhall drivers are the worst on the roads, especially Corsa's

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Post by McLaren on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:54 pm

Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:56 pm

McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Audi certainly. Normal BMW seem to be fine, older ones are more of a problem and the SUV drivers of BMW are pretty bad at not indicating.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:57 pm

McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Merc and BMW are terrible but don't get me started on white van men.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:57 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Audi certainly. Normal BMW seem to be fine, older ones are more of a problem and the SUV drivers of BMW are pretty bad at not indicating.

No, all BMW drivers are terrible. I guess they are all just sales reps or something.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 2:58 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Audi certainly. Normal BMW seem to be fine, older ones are more of a problem and the SUV drivers of BMW are pretty bad at not indicating.

No, all BMW drivers are terrible. I guess they are all just sales reps or something.

Lots of chavs have 10 year old BMW 3 series

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Post by JAS on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 3:57 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Always with a witty response.

It would appear the chancellor thinks austerity was a failure, and spending is required. Like labour.

Or rather that he's trying to keep voters on side following Labour's capitulation.

Or maybe he’s feeling a bit of guilt for being one of the main instigators of the financial crash in 2008 that has caused the 10+ years of austerity since. As I said last week Sunak was a hedge fund manager at the time of the crash having previously worked for Goldman Sachs. He’s therefore up to his neck in the shenanigans that caused banks to do in 2008 what capitalists tell us socialists do....run out of other peoples money!!  

As for the budget itself Its a bit of a gimmicky giveaway more aligned to large sections of the Labour manifesto than the Tory one. I can imagine some elitist right wing monetarist zealots already plotting his downfall.


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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 4:07 pm

Don't be stupid JAS, politicians don't feel guilt.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 5:34 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Audi certainly. Normal BMW seem to be fine, older ones are more of a problem and the SUV drivers of BMW are pretty bad at not indicating.

No, all BMW drivers are terrible. I guess they are all just sales reps or something.

Lots of chavs have 10 year old BMW 3 series

Is that you admitting to driving a 3 series?
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Post by beninho on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 5:38 pm

Just heard some idiot Tory mp on the radio. Why cant they just admit, they have agreed to spend more because they now have mps in seats they couldn't be bothered about when they were labour seats.

And to keep mentioning the last labour government is madness. 10 years ago!

I really can't stand mps

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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 5:49 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Audi and BMW are pretty bad as well.

Audi certainly. Normal BMW seem to be fine, older ones are more of a problem and the SUV drivers of BMW are pretty bad at not indicating.

No, all BMW drivers are terrible. I guess they are all just sales reps or something.

Lots of chavs have 10 year old BMW 3 series

Is that you admitting to driving a 3 series?

I did have a 3 Series Tourer about 10 years ago.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 7:38 pm

A chav is now driving it.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 7:41 pm

McLaren wrote:A chav is now driving it.

Probably, although when I got rid of it there was over 100k on the clock so it's probably dead

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Post by beninho on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 7:36 am

I am guessing the premier league will be suspended pretty soon, and other sporting events. Theres no way the champions league continues while Juventus are still involved.


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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 7:39 am

I'm getting really sick of this whole thing. It's going to spread, the horse has bolted. Just carry on as usual because there's no stopping it now. These pointless measures are just damaging the economy and having hardly any effect in containing it.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 7:49 am

beninho wrote:I am guessing the premier league will be suspended pretty soon, and other sporting events. Theres no way the champions league continues while Juventus are still involved.


It would be funny to see all those Liverpool faces if the Premier League was cancelled for 2020.

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Post by beninho on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:10 am

super_realist wrote:I'm getting really sick of this whole thing. It's going to spread, the horse has bolted. Just carry on as usual because there's no stopping it now. These pointless measures are just damaging the economy and having hardly any effect in containing it.

What do you mean carry on as usual? Just accept the deaths? I don't think it's a politically well thought out option for the government to follow those lines.


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Post by JAS on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:10 am

super_realist wrote:Don't be stupid JAS, politicians don't feel guilt.

Of course they don’t, it was tongue in cheek.

The thing is as someone who jumps up and down berating the madness and destruction of austerity and as someone who prejudged Johnson as a right wing zealot I hold my hand up and say...actually the broad thrust of that budget IS a statement of intent that they want to move away from austerity. One budget isn’t going to solve the country’s ills but to be fair it’s a step in the right direction. Keynesian economics is actually still a thing...who would have thought it given the path that was taken to get here.

What does however wrankle a bit is the sheer hypocrisy, dishonesty and double standard of berating the public spending and investment plans of others, winning by discrediting such plans then moving on to EXACTLY that ground.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:30 am

Seems they can't win JAS. You moan when they don't spend and moan when they do.
They now have a new voter base, at least for this term who voted on the basis of certain promises. Can you really complain when they actually do it?
The one thing I would concern me in the budget is although there was a lot of good spending policies revealed they were most often csveated with the phrase "for the next year". I get that budgets are annual, but things like business rates and fuel escalator need suspended for far longer for business confidence.
It's also worth noticing that the spending of this budget is a lot different from the proposed crackpot spending of McDonnel.

Do you seriously think that the Tories won because they successfully discredited Labour's plans? The public in the UK might well be stupid, but they aren't so stupid that they couldn't see through the Labour plans on their own. 4 months on and you are still not placing on blame for Labour's defeat on Labour.


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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:34 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:I'm getting really sick of this whole thing. It's going to spread, the horse has bolted. Just carry on as usual because there's no stopping it now. These pointless measures are just damaging the economy and having hardly any effect in containing it.

What do you mean carry on as usual? Just accept the deaths? I don't think it's a politically well thought out option for the government to follow those lines.


No, it just seems that many of the measures put in place are pointless and won't stop the spread.

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Post by JAS on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:47 am

super_realist wrote:Seems they can't win JAS. You moan when they don't spend and moan when they do.
They now have a new voter base, at least for this term who voted on the basis of certain promises. Can you really complain when they actually do it?
The one thing I would concern me in the budget is although there was a lot of good spending policies revealed they were most often csveated with the phrase "for the next year". I get that budgets are annual, but things like business rates and fuel escalator need suspended for far longer for business confidence.
It's also worth noticing that the spending of this budget is a lot different from the proposed crackpot spending of McDonnel.

Super I’ve just held my hands up (I don’t do that too often which is maybe why you missed it) and said it’s a step in the right direction that I didn’t expect.

I wouldn’t say it’s a moan pointing out dishonesty & hypocrisy. The sheer gall of standing there in November spouting tripe like “There is no magic money tree” (weird statement to make in a FIAT economy but hey ho) and “we will not allow this country to go back to the 1970s”

Here we are 3-4 months down the line and we have engaged the magic money tree to deliver the most Keynesian budget since....yep the 1970s.

So if you’re interpreting a moan, the moan is not about the budget, it’s about pre election lies & hypocrisy.

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Post by beninho on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:48 am

They haven't really put much into place to stop the spread. Policy, is mainly business as usual. Now they need to act. Cancel the large gatherings etc.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 9:13 am

JAS, it's the very nature of politics to be hypocritical and duplicitous. It's been that way from day one.

Governments always say different things pre election and then do something completely different afterwards. I'm amazed you are amazed.
Still not willing to accept that Labour failed  rather than the public were duped by the Tories though?

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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 9:16 am

beninho wrote:They haven't really put much into place to stop the spread. Policy, is mainly business as usual. Now they need to act. Cancel the large gatherings etc.

Doesn't seem to have helped in China or Italy much.

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Post by JAS on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 10:04 am

super_realist wrote:JAS, it's the very nature of politics to be hypocritical and duplicitous. It's been that way from day one.

Governments always say different things pre election and then do something completely different afterwards. I'm amazed you are amazed.
Still not willing to accept that Labour failed  rather than the public were duped by the Tories though?

I think I also stated on several occasions that Labour got it badly wrong, The message was confusing to most and there was a lack of leadership to provide a coherent message. I initially may have over emphasised the role of the right wing media, it was a factor but it could only be a factor because the other chinks in the armour were there.
There was misrepresentation - Lack of leadership in addressing
There was disloyalty - lack of leadership in addressing
Policy was overthought and over complicated (Brexit) Lack of leadership in defining
Policy was over simplified and not explained/detailed & cost/benefit analysed & explained (free broadband) lack of leadership in explaining
Allegations of antesemitism - Not rebutted firmly enough, lack of leadership coupled with delusional thinking “it’s not true so it’ll just go away” No Jeremy it’ll hang around like a bad smell and act as a blocker to you trying to explain Labours position on many areas of policy
Corbyn tried to avoid petty personal politics even though he and Abbot were subjected to horrendous personal discreditory abuse. Fighting clean when your opponent is fighting dirty - Lack of leadership

So in summary, yes they got it wrong, badly badly wrong. The worst part though is that they were perceived (rightly or wrongly) as a metropolitan elite no longer in touch with or listening to their core vote. They will have to address all of the above but addressing that last part will be the hardest. RLB can’t do it, Lisa Nandy might be best placed to reconnect with the Northern core vote but she simply doesn’t have the gravitas to be seen as a serious prime ministerial contender. Starmer does but I don’t see him easily reconnecting with the core vote. So a long bumpy road ahead. If I’m honest, if the Tories build on yesterday’s budget and deliver another good one next year and the general prospects of the lower/middle working class gets better 2-3 years down the line then Labour might well be finished.

December was Labours big chance, over 10 years of austerity, without Brexit or Corbyn Labour could & should have had a thumping Blair like majority, they didn’t and time will tell but it could well be a watershed moment.

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Post by JAS on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 10:07 am

super_realist wrote:JAS, it's the very nature of politics to be hypocritical and duplicitous. It's been that way from day one.

Governments always say different things pre election and then do something completely different afterwards. I'm amazed you are amazed.
Still not willing to accept that Labour failed  rather than the public were duped by the Tories though?

If we accept that without objection then we deserve what we get

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Post by super_realist on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 10:09 am

Well said Jas. I would add that Corbyn and his crackpot cabinet of Dotty Diane and Militant McDonnel should have gone when they failed against a hopeless May.
Corbyn has proven to be a feeble opponent for far too long and should have gone years ago. His ineptitude and shambolic leadership has probably helped cement a Tory government until 2029 at the earliest.

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Post by pedro on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:55 pm

super_realist wrote:I'm getting really sick of this whole thing.
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Post by pedro on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 8:58 pm

What about containing the elderly rather than locking down society (which will soon happen). The economic impact will be devestating.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 11:52 pm

Look after yourselves folks OK

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 12:03 am

Be_the_ball wrote:Look after yourselves folks OK

Especially you, with your Toiaseach having been hobnobbing with the contaminated Drumpf . . . . . . . . .

Who wil Drumpf blame if he tests positive?
The media??
Or:
The Dems????

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Post by beninho on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 7:07 am

Don't worry, it's just the flu..still say the idiots.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 7:56 am

beninho wrote:Don't worry, it's just the flu..still say the idiots.

For the vast majority of people it is. If it was Ebola then the hysteria could be justified.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 7:58 am

beninho wrote:Don't worry, it's just the flu..still say the idiots.

As an illness Flu appears to be worse but it's the contagion of the virus and the lack of immunisation that's the worry.

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Post by beninho on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 8:12 am

We dont know whether flu is worse or not. It's only been around for 3 months or so. Just the amount if people still saying nothing to worry about is crazy. Got dragged into a twitter debate with an American who thinks it will be over in 2 weeks, and others blaming politicians.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 8:13 am

I don't see anything wrong with people trying to have a bit of positivity about the situation, all doom and gloom doesn't achieve a great deal if anything it puts more strain on the vulnerable.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 8:17 am

beninho wrote:We dont know whether flu is worse or not. It's only been around for 3 months or so. Just the amount if people still saying nothing to worry about is crazy. Got dragged into a twitter debate with an American who thinks it will be over in 2 weeks, and others blaming politicians.

Let's hope it is over as quickly as it began. One thing for certain is that China is going to have to make massive changes and ban live markets to stop this happening again.

It would seem that the rate of infection in China is slowing down, so there's hope this will happen elsewhere too.

How long before Trump sues China?

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Post by George1507 on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 8:33 am

Did I read that there were only EIGHT new cases reported in China on Wednesday? Even allowing for the ever chaotic reporting of the Chinese, that's an incredible drop off. If the same happens in the west, the whole thing could be done and dusted by May.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 8:58 am

super_realist wrote:I'm getting really sick of this whole thing. It's going to spread, the horse has bolted. Just carry on as usual because there's no stopping it now. These pointless measures are just damaging the economy and having hardly any effect in containing it.
Time to self-isolate then, I reckon OK.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:01 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:They haven't really put much into place to stop the spread. Policy, is mainly business as usual. Now they need to act. Cancel the large gatherings etc.

Doesn't seem to have helped in China or Italy much.
picard China had to deal w/ it from a standing start and Italy have the second oldest population in the world.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:03 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Don't worry, it's just the flu..still say the idiots.

For the vast majority of people it is. If it was Ebola then the hysteria could be justified.
Forgot you were a qualified virologist, as well as everything else. Probably best to listen to what those people suggest should be done, don't you think?
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:05 am

Soul Requiem wrote:I don't see anything wrong with people trying to have a bit of positivity about the situation, all doom and gloom doesn't achieve a great deal if anything it puts more strain on the vulnerable.
That's absolutely fine, but people talking bollox (not suggesting that's you here) is another thing. Then again, didn't we get tired of experts? picard
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:10 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:We dont know whether flu is worse or not. It's only been around for 3 months or so. Just the amount if people still saying nothing to worry about is crazy. Got dragged into a twitter debate with an American who thinks it will be over in 2 weeks, and others blaming politicians.

Let's hope it is over as quickly as it began. One thing for certain is that China is going to have to make massive changes and ban live markets to stop this happening again.

It would seem that the rate of infection in China is slowing down, so there's hope this will happen elsewhere too.

How long before Trump sues China?
Think they've said they'll be doing that. Difficult to police I expect, but that's maybe one advantage of being a dictatorship - f**k w/ the Party and disappear.

This sort of thing has always happened when people live/work cheek by jowl w/ livestock. Not sure that MERS arose because of a market in camel meat. What we need to ensure is that the correct lessons are learnt re. what worked (and what didn't) in terms of stopping/slowing the spread of this. Also, politicians need to stop ignoring scientists and fund their research properly.

George1507 wrote:Did I read that there were only EIGHT new cases reported in China on Wednesday? Even allowing for the ever chaotic reporting of the Chinese, that's an incredible drop off. If the same happens in the west, the whole thing could be done and dusted by May.
You read the right; hopefully it's the truth. Far be it from me to suggest it, but maybe that's at least something to do w/ what they've implemented to impede its spread? Ditto South Korea.
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Post by super_realist on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:15 am

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beninho wrote:Don't worry, it's just the flu..still say the idiots.

For the vast majority of people it is. If it was Ebola then the hysteria could be justified.
Forgot you were a qualified virologist, as well as everything else. Probably best to listen to what those people suggest should be done, don't you think?

That's what virologists and epidemioogists are saying in that for most people it is just flu like symptoms.
These people should not be freaking out and buying gallons of hand-wash, bales of toilet rolls, crates of tinned goods or shipping containers of bread.

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Post by beninho on Fri 13 Mar 2020, 9:51 am

https://www.livescience.com/amp/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html#click=https://t.co/FcjQHSfsmA

I found this interesting. I posted it to a it's just flu guy on twitter, he didn't respond.

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