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Post by RDW on Mon 20 Apr 2020, 12:10 am

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Post by EST on Thu 21 May 2020, 9:43 am

I don't think DR has done a bad job - we could, maybe should, have won the league last year, in the end being beaten by the second best club side in Europe.

That being said, man management doesn't appear to be his strong point (see Dunbar, Jones), there are serious questions in the quality of squad for next season and there are big gaps in young Scottish players coming through - how for example has Cockers persuaded the SRU to sign up Doyle, Darge and Muncaster and where was DR when these decisions were being made?

I think its the right time for him to move on, hopefully we see a few new signings over the next couple of weeks - will be a very long old season if we don't get some quality on board.


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Post by jimbopip on Thu 21 May 2020, 9:48 am

Again, Gee is closer to the reality of DR's reign than Flounder. Gee, you have voted, haven't you? Someone with your insight really should.

IF it hadn't been raining biblical proportions for the 12 hours before and during the game Glasgow may well have won.
IF TBRITW had concentrated on applying the laws more consistently, especially at scrum time, Glasgow may well have won. Way to busy "not spoiling the occasion, Nige". warning
IF haircut had 0.001% more maturity and given the simplest of passes rather than going for glory picard

And yes, when Glasgow clicked under DR lots of teams were put to the sword. Really put to the sword.

Still, i am not unhappy to move on sums it up well. DR has gone and on an emotional level the hair shirts are still in the wardrobe. As is the sackcloth and ashes. Perhaps Glasgow never really clicked on the big occasions. Or not often enough.


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Post by tigertattie on Thu 21 May 2020, 9:58 am

In all seriousness, DR moving on, Glasgow needing vast numbers of replacement players and the world grinding to a hault - Could be a very rocky road ahead for Glasgow.

It'll either be horrendously painful or an oppertunity for youngsters in Scotland to be given the oppertunity. For the sake of Glasgow and Scotlandm, we can only hope its the latter.
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Post by jimbopip on Thu 21 May 2020, 10:05 am

RDW wrote:I'm quite worried about Glasgow's future for the next season or two - I suspect weegies are going to have to get used to not having the same highs they've been accustomed to. That Glasgow squad needs major surgery done to it and it's just not going to happen in one go. It has been very quiet on the signing front and I can't image the dam is going to burst with 10 new international class players arriving.

Add to that a new coach and it could be difficult times.

Glasgow still have a decent starting 23 so will be competitive on their day, but there's probably few occasions in reality that they'll be able to put that team out. Back 3 is a clear area of weakness as is back row, and they need more depth at lock past R Gray and Cummings if Nakarawa isn't staying (I'll assume he's not for the purpose of below).

1 Kebble   Allan
2 Brown        Stewart/Dolokoto
3 Fagerson     Rae/ Thornton
4 R Gray
5 Cummings McDonald
6 Wilson  Vakaloloma, Harley
7 Fusaro/Gordon
8 Fagerson Ashe

9 Horne/Price Dobbie
10 Hastings
11 Tagive Nairn
12 Johnson McDowall
13 Jones Kelly
14 Steyn Jones
15 Bryce Seymour, Madmadmata

Subs - Seiuli, Turner, Nichol, Davidson, Flockhart, Horne/Price, Horne, Grigg


Take out those likely to be involved with Scotland a lot (in bold) and they're really struggling.

While I agree with the part where you say we could do with bolstering the back row and recruiting in the back three, we really need a 10, 15 and probably a 6. Mind you it may well transpire that Mrs Bradbury's boy will find himself following Al Kellock and Ryan Grant and becoming a proper rugby player late (ish) in his career.

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Post by RDW on Thu 21 May 2020, 10:23 am

jimbopip wrote:Again, Gee is closer to the reality of DR's reign than Flounder. Gee, you have voted, haven't you? Someone with your insight really should.

IF it hadn't been raining biblical proportions for the 12 hours before and during the game Glasgow may well have won.
IF TBRITW had concentrated on applying the laws more consistently, especially at scrum time, Glasgow may well have won. Way to busy "not spoiling the occasion, Nige". warning
IF haircut had 0.001% more maturity and given the simplest of passes rather than going for glory picard

And yes, when Glasgow clicked under DR lots of teams were put to the sword. Really put to the sword.

Still, i am not unhappy to move on sums it up well. DR has gone and on an emotional level the hair shirts are still in the wardrobe. As is the sackcloth and ashes. Perhaps Glasgow never really clicked on the big occasions. Or not often enough.


I didn't say anything about DR's reign. You forgotten your pills again?

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Post by jimbopip on Thu 21 May 2020, 10:50 am

Flounder warning Flounder.

If you are commenting on the state of the squad (and the paucity in one or two key positions) after three years of DR as head coach then you are implicitly commenting on his tenure.

I know you are an engineer, and currently spending a lot of time talking with the criminal element but really! You could lose your shiny badge if this keeps up.

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Post by Hazel Sapling on Thu 21 May 2020, 10:54 am

Disagree on the need for locks RDW. Behind Cummings and R Gray there is McDonald, Davidson and Harley who have at the minimum proven to be good enough for the top level. Sykes is a highly rated youngster. Henderson had to go back to Leicester to get game time.

Dave Rennie has done a decent job. Lost to a dominant Leinster side in a close final and made a Champions Cup QF. Made the semi-finals of the Pro14 the previous season and potentially on course to do it again. Just fell short by a point of making a second Champions Cup QF this season. We win that Leinster game and M Fagerson does not use his elbow, we would have won a league title last season and made the European QF's this season. His reign has been a what could have been. His handling of young players has helped leave the stocks a bit bare having pushed M Smith and L Wynne out, no young wingers coming through and playing Fusaro and Jackson ahead of the next generation. On the other, he led a relatively stale squad and managed to get to the final hurdle even if they can't jump it.

Glasgow are due for a refresh. Probably need three or four new players to come in to transition to the next phase. Fusaro, if he does retire, will be replaced by Gordon but that still leaves a need to replace Gibbins. We could do with another 6/8 type as we seemed light on options last season even if Flockhart comes through. The back-three needs Ollie Smith to take more and more minutes through next season to be ready for the business side. A young winger would not go amiss either. So probably the shopping list is a back-up 10/15 who can cover minutes at both positions, a quality 6 or 8 to drive standards and a young (<25) winger. I would rather blood youngsters or get someone from Super Six for 3rd/4th choice flankers.

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Post by RDW on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:04 am

jimbopip wrote:Flounder warning Flounder.

If you are commenting on the state of the squad (and the paucity in one or two key positions) after three years of DR as head coach then you are implicitly commenting on his tenure.

I know you are an engineer, and currently spending a lot of time talking with the criminal element but really! You could lose your shiny badge if this keeps up.

The squad for next season, taking into account players leaving and getting old etc...

Plus the added effect of a new coach at the same time.

Both of which I said.

As an English teacher I would have thought you could read words! Wink

I'm just confused why you specifically mentioned me (based on something apparently inferred) when other posters directly said his tenure wasn't a success!

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:13 am

Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

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Post by tigertattie on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:27 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???
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Post by tigertattie on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:34 am

IN other news, sorry its the daily mail, but its alleged that the Pro 14 bigwigs are determined to have a Aug/Sept playoff to decide the league.

Two plans are to either play the usual playoff with the top three in each conference or drop this to being just the top two in each.

Would be odd if this went ahead as it would be almost like preseason warm up games than anything else???
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Post by NeilyBroon on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:53 am

tigertattie wrote:IN other news, sorry its the daily mail, but its alleged that the Pro 14 bigwigs are determined to have a Aug/Sept playoff to decide the league.

Two plans are to either play the usual playoff with the top three in each conference or drop this to being just the top two in each.

Would be odd if this went ahead as it would be almost like preseason warm up games than anything else???

Well as it stands it'd have to be behind closed doors. They either would get premier sports to do a package with a significant cut for the pro14 coffers or have to stage them later, as I doubt we'll be back to full stadiums by August/September considering we've only just allowed people to go to garden centres in England.

Gutting though it may be it might have to be a write off, with the only thing of significance Euro-qualification. I don't see the point in having a weird pre-season final, it wouldn't exactly be very fulfilling for the players and they'll be knackered after 60 because they won't have had a game for probably the longest time in their careers. Also there's the very real danger of contact after so long without contact training. How will that impact scrums, injuries etc.

They could always make it a double season with points carried over for something a bit different but mix up the conferences so they all face different sides.


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Post by BigGee on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:53 am

If they are going to do this then surely they should go with the top 4 and then whoever gets through to the final will at least have had a few games to get back up to speed and put on some kind of show.

You would imagine that they will be a few Glasgow-Edinburgh friendlies and the same in Wales and Ireland first before any meaningful games get played.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 21 May 2020, 1:16 pm

tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

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Post by tigertattie on Thu 21 May 2020, 3:40 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

It's easy to remember FES

G Horne = George Good Horne
P Horne = Pete Pish Horne
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Post by bsando on Thu 21 May 2020, 5:43 pm

tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

It's easy to remember FES

G Horne = George Good Horne
P Horne = Pete Pish Horne

Laugh

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Post by 123456789. on Thu 21 May 2020, 7:31 pm

bsando wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

It's easy to remember FES

G Horne = George Good Horne
P Horne = Pete Pish Horne

Laugh

Pete Horne makes other players better, he said so himself. George Horne has had the benefit of a lifetime's association.

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Post by tigertattie on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:01 pm

Have you guys heard the news?

Apparently Coronavirus has contracted Hamish Watson

Corona is now in isolation for 14 days but it’s expected this will be of no use and Hamish will claim Coronavirus
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Post by RDW on Thu 21 May 2020, 11:38 pm

123456789. wrote:
bsando wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

It's easy to remember FES

G Horne = George Good Horne
P Horne = Pete Pish Horne

Laugh

Pete Horne makes other players better, he said so himself. George Horne has had the benefit of a lifetime's association.

clap

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Post by NeilyBroon on Fri 22 May 2020, 11:20 am

RDW wrote:
123456789. wrote:
bsando wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Glasgow played some lovely stuff under Dave Rennie and players like Fagerson x2, Cummings, Gordon, P Horne, Hastings and Johnson have really progressed.

I dont see these as wasted years at all, and Glasgow are now back on track as a development side for Scotland's premier team: Edinburgh. If they struggle for depth next season, we should loan them a couple of kids or some of our squad players for game time. Sharing is caring.

Pete Horne?

Really FES, Really???

Sorry, typo!! I meant G Horne. The good one.

It's easy to remember FES

G Horne = George Good Horne
P Horne = Pete Pish Horne

Laugh

Pete Horne makes other players better, he said so himself. George Horne has had the benefit of a lifetime's association.

clap

Better put him in charge of player development pronto. We'll win the world cup back to back with Pete on the case.
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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 11:45 am

Well the CVC deal has finally come to fruition for the Pro 14

They take a 28% share for £140 million.

Italy also get full membership at last, which is fair and a share of the pot. The Italian market may well be an area they are targetting

Well we certainly need the cash atm, lets hope they can indeed grow the revenues as they think they can

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Post by RDW on Fri 22 May 2020, 11:51 am

Any ideas what this will actually mean in a practical sense?? I'm assuming more expensive for TV - that's usually how they get the money back.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 11:53 am

Glasgow Warriors forum reporting that Swinson retiring as well, though not seen it officially announced yet.

Again, probably expected, but we are sure losing some experienced players just now. Really does feel like the end of an era

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 11:55 am

Bigger and more varied TV platforms and sponsorship seems to be the way forward.

A better product potentially means bigger crowds at games as well

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Post by NeilyBroon on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:18 pm

BigGee wrote:Glasgow Warriors forum reporting that Swinson retiring as well, though not seen it officially announced yet.

Again, probably expected, but we are sure losing some experienced players just now. Really does feel like the end of an era

Presumably that's making way for big Richie. I reckon R Gray will provide International cover in the same way Swinson did in that he's not likely to get picked again but is Scot qualified, I don't think Gregor will consider him beyond next year's 6Ns unless he has an absolute belter of a season.

Congratulations and all the best to Tim Swinson, a good club player even if his shortcomings were exposed beyond that. So that leaves....

Cummings, R Gray, Davison, Naknak? ... A N Other?
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Post by RDW on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:25 pm

Richie is only 30 and will be looked after at Glasgow. There's no way he's done for Scotland yet!

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:27 pm

Yeah Ritchie is 30 so doubtful he'd be seen as an option for the next world cup.

Thats not to say he wouldnt be able to of course. With him back in the shop window he may target that as his scotland swansong and aim to get selected. Have a stormer and help Scotland get to the QFs for the first time in 8 long years!
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Post by EST on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:34 pm

Congrats to Swinson, he was a brilliant club player for Glasgow - hardworking, belligerent and tough as nails - and a huge contributor to the success we have had.

He certainly had his limitations at international level, mainly because he just wasn't big enough, but always gave 100%.

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Post by NeilyBroon on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:36 pm

RDW wrote:Richie is only 30 and will be looked after at Glasgow. There's no way he's done for Scotland yet!

I think Toonie will see the young options like Davison, Alex Craig, Thomson etc coming through with the current options Cummings (incumbent), Gilchrist, and Gray the younger. Gray will be possibly battling with Toolis for a spot but I expect Toonie will see the main three as having plenty of experience between them and bringing in Craig over both R Gray and Toolis. It also very much depends on who our new forwards coach will be I suspect. I can't imagine Gray getting much more action, the only person I can think of who lasted a long time in the SR for Scotland was Nathan Hines, and that's when we had to rely on Jason White for cover.

Unless R Gray absolutely tears it up for Glasgow and provides a winning lineout platform I can imagine he'll only be used as injury cover.
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Post by Hazel Sapling on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:38 pm

McDonald, Harley and Sykes are all still on the books at lock after Cummings, R Gray and Davidson. Sykes should come into it more this season. Six locks should be enough...

Swinson made the most of his ability and gave his all for Glasgow and Scotland. Hopefully, he can push on in his reffing and whatever else he chooses to do next.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:38 pm

Makes even less sense that Marshall Sykes would be going to Edinburgh with Swinson standing down.

I expect this probably means Naks is staying and likely McDonald as well.

That would leave us 5 front line locks Gray, Cummings, Davidson, Naks and McDonald.

Not a bad mix but still room for one more promising youngster though, i would say.

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Post by NeilyBroon on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:39 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:McDonald, Harley and Sykes are all still on the books at lock after Cummings, R Gray and Davidson. Sykes should come into it more this season. Six locks should be enough...

Swinson made the most of his ability and gave his all for Glasgow and Scotland. Hopefully, he can push on in his reffing and whatever else he chooses to do next.

Forgot about McDonald, he was looking pretty good too!
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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:40 pm

I had not counted big Bob either, who seems to float between second and back row these days. Probably more a second row nowadays in all honesty, due to his lack of carrying.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:46 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:McDonald, Harley and Sykes are all still on the books at lock after Cummings, R Gray and Davidson. Sykes should come into it more this season. Six locks should be enough...

Swinson made the most of his ability and gave his all for Glasgow and Scotland. Hopefully, he can push on in his reffing and whatever else he chooses to do next.


Sykes has been namechecked by Cockers and has been heavily tipped towards signing for Edinburgh, which would be a shame having spent two years in Glasgow academy and with us probably having a need for a young up and coming lock.

Tim Swinson is a bright spark. I talked to him once at a Warriors game in Parma and he was more than happy to give a very good analysis of what was going on the pitch. Away from rugby he has a masters degree in politics and is training to become a lawyer. He was clearly the right guy to be setting up the players union!

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Post by EST on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:48 pm

Really hope Sykes doesn't head to Edinburgh, he is reportedly very promising.

Gray
Nakarawa
Cummings
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A very athletic and skillful stable, although i'm not sure if you could describe any of them as having a hard edge.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 12:54 pm

https://scrummagazine.com/swinson-calls-time-on-14-year-professional-career/

It seems it is official now.

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Post by RDW on Fri 22 May 2020, 1:05 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:
RDW wrote:Richie is only 30 and will be looked after at Glasgow. There's no way he's done for Scotland yet!

I think Toonie will see the young options like Davison, Alex Craig, Thomson etc coming through with the current options Cummings (incumbent), Gilchrist, and Gray the younger. Gray will be possibly battling with Toolis for a spot but I expect Toonie will see the main three as having plenty of experience between them and bringing in Craig over both R Gray and Toolis. It also very much depends on who our new forwards coach will be I suspect. I can't imagine Gray getting much more action, the only person I can think of who lasted a long time in the SR for Scotland was Nathan Hines, and that's when we had to rely on Jason White for cover.

Unless R Gray absolutely tears it up for Glasgow and provides a winning lineout platform I can imagine he'll only be used as injury cover.

There's no way a player of Gray's experience should be consigned to the scrapheap. If he can get his body in shape he's still got a huge amount to offer. 30 really isn't old for a lock - very much in their prime!

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Post by bsando on Fri 22 May 2020, 2:51 pm

I'm sure a big part in his move to Glasgow was to be in a better position to gain international honours again. I'll be interested to see how he does, feels like an age since I saw him play.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 3:35 pm

RG injury record over the last two seasons has been pretty wretched. It was a signing with a bit of a question mark beside it, as to whether he can ever be the player he once was.

Hopefully this extended break over the spring and summer will have done him the power of good and allow him to get himself back in shape.

I think his move home was driven more by familly reasons though, having a young child now and presumably wsnting a bit more support.

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Post by 123456789. on Fri 22 May 2020, 4:06 pm

33 isn't too old for a lock, so it's not out the question for Gray to make this next one coming. Richie Gray has been off the international radar and injuries have kept him out a lot the last few years. He also didn't seem to start consistently for Toulouse so I doubt there's too many miles on the clock. Richie Gray's move out of Scotland hasn't seemed to work out for him. He left as a British and Irish Lion and the star of Scotland's team. He never got going at Sale, Castres worked better. If Wikipedia is right he has played 27 times for Toulouse in four years. He last played for Scotland in 2018. He's not played a huge amount of rugby at all. In terms of frontline options Cummings, Gray and Nakarawa (if he stays) isn't bad at all.

One of the interesting things from all of this will be how it impacts on older players, like Richie Gray, generally. The likes of Connor Murray, Alun Wyn Jones and Ben Youngs looked like they would potentially fall short in trying to reach the Lions again but it could be that this extended enforced break gives their bodies time to recover fully in a way that wasn't previously possible.

I did a quick search to look for news on Nakarawa the Fiji Sun is alleging that he may be in line to go to Leicester. The basis seems to be that Geordan Murphy said he was finalising a deal for a second-row in the next couple of weeks, so perhaps not worth reading anything into it.

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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 4:31 pm

Glasgow seemed to have gone down the line of announcing all the leavers first before any new players come in.

I think that may partly be in respect to the incoming and outgoing coaches. They don't want to do any big announcements whilst DR is nominally still in charge.

I think his contract trchnically runs till end of June, but it seems unlikely he will take any more hands on sessions if the players do come back into training, so you imagine he will br flyjng off to Oz sometime in the not to distant future, assuming he can get a flight.

My gut feeling is that Naks will stay, but i don't think we will have that confirmed for a little while.

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Post by NeilyBroon on Fri 22 May 2020, 4:34 pm

123456789. wrote:33 isn't too old for a lock, so it's not out the question for Gray to make this next one coming. Richie Gray has been off the international radar and injuries have kept him out a lot the last few years. He also didn't seem to start consistently for Toulouse so I doubt there's too many miles on the clock. Richie Gray's move out of Scotland hasn't seemed to work out for him. He left as a British and Irish Lion and the star of Scotland's team. He never got going at Sale, Castres worked better. If Wikipedia is right he has played 27 times for Toulouse in four years. He last played for Scotland in 2018. He's not played a huge amount of rugby at all. In terms of frontline options Cummings, Gray and Nakarawa (if he stays) isn't bad at all.

One of the interesting things from all of this will be how it impacts on older players, like Richie Gray, generally. The likes of Connor Murray, Alun Wyn Jones and Ben Youngs looked like they would potentially fall short in trying to reach the Lions again but it could be that this extended enforced break gives their bodies time to recover fully in a way that wasn't previously possible.

I did a quick search to look for news on Nakarawa the Fiji Sun is alleging that he may be in line to go to Leicester. The basis seems to be that Geordan Murphy said he was finalising a deal for a second-row in the next couple of weeks, so perhaps not worth reading anything into it.

Aye it is possible. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Richie in a Scotland Jersey again but I just think it's getting less likely the more competition lock gets. It's one of the positions I am least worried about on the pitch because we have at least 4 players who can do a shift and at least 4 young players who look the business and that's not even including Richie. What I meant is to break back into that group he'd have to go beyond where he currently is, which is still very good but not necessarily better than any of our current options.

It's not impossible as others have proved but they've tended to be in positions where the competition isn't as strong. I think Gray will bring a great presence back to Glasgow and will undoubtedly be a leader in the group but won't necessarily play for Scotland much because of Toonie's long term vision of blooding youngsters, especially after his world cup flop where he picked experience over form.
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Post by BigGee on Fri 22 May 2020, 4:52 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52773860

Pro 14 looking to get going with some inter country games behind closed doors on the 22nd August.

If that is the case then they are going to have to be looking to get the players back into training pretty soon, 1st or 2nd week in June I would imagine. They will be doing a few weeks of pure fitness long before any contact work in any case.

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Post by RDW on Sun 24 May 2020, 12:10 pm

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/if-you-asked-cockers-what-the-craic-was-with-something-hed-tell-you-to-your-face-ill-never-lay-any-blame-at-his-door-darryl-marfo-edinburgh/

Marfo speaks. Was expecting more TBH - no frank revelation or even a conclusion about what he'll do next. It does genuinely sound like he had too much competition ahead of him at Edinburgh and couldn't get a look in. Saying that, I do remember times when he should have been in the squad due to internationals and injuries but they still didn't pick him.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Sun 24 May 2020, 5:31 pm

Marfo was a pretty capable back up option, and made an impression in a short cameo international career. Good at the breakdown for a prop if I recall, and didn't disgrace himself in the scrum.

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Post by NeilyBroon on Mon 25 May 2020, 10:09 am

He did look poor in his follow-up performances for Scotland though but still should've been given more chance to regain form. I'd forgotten about Bhatti too tbf, we've got these options who have performed in the past and who still have a couple of seasons international rugby in them, definitely some poor player management going on too. Especially given our recent brown pants moment pre-six nations with regard to actually having more than one viable loosehead (thank God Sutherland stepped up but Dell didn't exactly make a good show of himself). We should be looking to support players like Bhatti and Marfo a bit more because we really come unstuck when the form option gets injured.
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Post by NeilyBroon on Tue 26 May 2020, 10:53 am

https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/wilson-to-lead-glasgow-warriors-from-the-start-of-june?fbclid=IwAR2SrDOW-C_vFey1sbY70iC4X7xtvAO-dUq0_PRvMayLXw_Y9IbK9JaUIxQ

Makes sense. With Wilson now officially in charge do you think we'll start seeing signings?
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Post by BigGee on Tue 26 May 2020, 12:47 pm

This is a good move all round.

Dave Rennie is a lame duck currently and would be better off heading off to Oz, they won't be playing again on his watch.

Let DW get himself into the chair and start to shape the squad, this will keep the fans happy. He might even get the players back in to start some training in the next few weeks.

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Post by NeilyBroon on Tue 26 May 2020, 12:53 pm

BigGee wrote:This is a good move all round.

Dave Rennie is a lame duck currently and would be better off heading off to Oz, they won't be playing again on his watch.

Let DW get himself into the chair and start to shape the squad, this will keep the fans happy. He might even get the players back in to start some training in the next few weeks.

In some ways, you're at an advantage with a new coaching set-up in the current crisis as the phasing-in means essentially a longer "pre" season. Gives them more chance to establish systems when the players have a lot of time on their hands.

If Glasgow don't get to play in the pro14 finals that may be to their advantage in terms of prep time, assuming the Pro14 derbies are still on the cards, they'll get to have a tinker pre 2020-21 season (though at the current rate it may just end up being 2021 season).

They'll have a coach who isn't half out of the door, true enough. Let's hope he does a better job as head coach, he certainly did a decent enough job with Cardiff when he was there.
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Post by BigGee on Tue 26 May 2020, 1:20 pm

In the format that is being suggested, it seems almost impossible for us to go into the playoffs

Our two games v the Luvies should be a decent pre season hit out for us and then we might get a few weeks off to fine tune foe the start of next season.

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