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Post by super_realist Thu 23 Apr 2020, 10:48 am

First topic message reminder :

Just wondering what ailment you have which does not have a proven cure from modern medicine but for which Chinese "medicine" does.
Mac is the secretive one, not me.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 8:59 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Just because you don't care about a government app being used as a marketing tool, with no opt in/out at sign up. Doesn't mean its stupid.

I'm not sure if I think the official care workers app, should be used as a marketing arm for an outside company.

But, we obviously have different views.

What do you think about Dorries and the other 2 posting far right doctored lies about Starmer on social media, and not apologising?

I've just told you you aren't required to put any information about yourself in to any NHS app.
What official carers app? You also have no knowledge of what is required by Android/Apple app marketplaces either so you can't say why it is being done like that.

Politicians post stuff about other politicians all the time. Who cares.

What official carers app? The app you are debating me about.

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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 9:00 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I know people were talking excess deaths the other day. Saw some stats.

For comparison:
UK - 53,300 excess deaths by May 1 + 67%
Spain - 31,500 by May 3 + 60%
Belgium - 5,300 by April 19 +50%
Holland - 8,700 by April 26 + 50%
Italy 24,600 +49% — but only til end-March
France - 28,500 by April 26 +44%

If these have been raised already, I apologise.

So what's your point? Different countries have different death rates shocker?

Read the figures how you want to read them. For you, it doesn't matter that we have such a huge percentage increase. Others will find it concerning.

No, I'm balanced enough to see there are dozens of reason as to why this would be the case, you are looking at it ever only being for one reason which is as dishonest as it is deluded.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 9:04 am

All I did was post the figures. Happy to allow people make there own opinions from it.

We have, 33k reported deaths, and 53500 excess deaths. What do you put the 20k difference down to?

Just curious.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 9:09 am

And, just read you have no issues with claims made by government minister in which it is inferred that the leader of the opposition basically supported bad person gangs. That's a strong take.

I'm unsure, how any, right minded person, doesn't have an issue with what the mps posted about starmer. Though, I get it from the right wing racist lunatics who invented the video.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 9:16 am

Anyway, hope to see my Dad today, first time in months. Get to a park and he can walk his dogs. Been a tough old time for him.

Realist, as always its been a pleasure, you are as always a damp crab and have a campachoochoo on me. Bella campagio.


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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 9:19 am

If you'd bothered to follow the post from further back you would see that there was a significantly worse flu/pneumonia this year than normal. Is it responsible for all the excess deaths? Unlikely, but it was considerably higher than the five year average.

The trouble with stuff like this is that most people simply aren't aware of it. Old people die, and most take no notice of why really, and very little toss is given as to a rising/falling death rate unless it comes up against something like what we are currently experiencing. Have you ever paid much attention to differences in annual death rates? I know I haven't. I've never cared if it was a good or bad flu year before, but now all of a sudden people are jumping on excess deaths as some sort of ammunition, when there is any number of possibilities for it being like it is.

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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 9:22 am

beninho wrote:And, just read you have no issues with claims made by government minister in which it is inferred that the leader of the opposition basically supported bad person gangs. That's a strong take.

I'm unsure, how any, right minded person, doesn't have an issue with what the mps posted about starmer. Though, I get it from the right wing racist lunatics who invented the video.

Starmer was pretty poor on those gangs to be fair as Director of Public Prosecutions, but I wouldn't support the messages being posted the way they are. Needless political point scoring. Fat Tom Watson was also a disgrace on the parliamentary diddler ring nonsense, and never really paid for that.

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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 9:23 am

beninho wrote:Anyway, hope to see my Dad today, first time in months. Get to a park and he can walk his dogs. Been a tough old time for him.

Realist, as always its been a pleasure, you are as always a damp crab and have a campachoochoo on me. Bella campagio.

Lucky you, I haven't seen anyone I know since March 22nd.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 9:38 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:And, just read you have no issues with claims made by government minister in which it is inferred that the leader of the opposition basically supported bad person gangs. That's a strong take.

I'm unsure, how any, right minded person, doesn't have an issue with what the mps posted about starmer. Though, I get it from the right wing racist lunatics who invented the video.

Starmer was pretty poor on those gangs to be fair as Director of Public Prosecutions, but I wouldn't support the messages being posted the way they are.  Needless political point scoring. Fat Tom Watson was also a disgrace on the parliamentary diddler ring nonsense, and never really paid for that.

Legal super realist is on. How was Starmer poor. Give me your legal thunder on this. I'm unsure, how you have all the paperwork but can't wait to see it.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 9:39 am

I've looked back, and can't see anything showing excess deaths for end of last year and start of this. Has anyone got one, because its hard to find on Google. I want to compare this extreme flu we had against the numbers.

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 10:09 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Anyway, hope to see my Dad today, first time in months. Get to a park and he can walk his dogs. Been a tough old time for him.

Realist, as always its been a pleasure, you are as always a damp crab and have a campachoochoo on me. Bella campagio.


Lucky you, I haven't seen anyone I know since March 22nd.

March the 22nd, in what year?
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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 10:37 am

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020#deaths-data

I could be missing something but supers influenza claims are hard to find.

The ONS certainly don't seem to have recorded influenza deaths of the number needed to explain even a small proportion of the excess deaths over the covid period.
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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 10:40 am

beninho wrote:I've looked back, and can't see anything showing excess deaths for end of last year and start of this. Has anyone got one, because its hard to find on Google. I want to compare this extreme flu we had against the numbers.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-06/how-does-the-wuhan-coronavirus-compare-to-seasonal-flu/

Deaths from flu ranging from 2000 to 28,000 in the last 5 years.

https://www.ons.gov.uk//birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

2000 deaths on average a week from Flu/Pneumonia in the first 12 weeks of 2020. You didn't look very hard did you?

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 10:52 am

Super

I don't think you know what excess deaths are.
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Post by super_realist Sat 16 May 2020, 10:54 am

Mac there were fewer than 6000 flu/pneumonia the year before. There was that many in 3 weeks this year.

Besides, who cares what you think, you believe the only reason the UK has such a high number of deaths is because of government decisions and you also believe that excess deaths are due to coronavirus or coronavirus collateral.

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 11:07 am

Super

You are the first person to my knowledge who is putting forward the idea that the current high excess death figures are due to an as yet unidentified influenza.

I can't find any data that supports that idea. Can you?
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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 16 May 2020, 11:21 am

ONS themselves attribute a lot of the excess down to Flu and Pneumonia based on higher than usual numbers from December to Febduary, did you not bother looking into the numbers beyond the headline?

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 11:30 am

Soul

Read the link I posted.
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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 11:32 am

My ask was, some sort of graph, showing the excess deaths from end of last year into this year. I can't find anything. As the talk is excess deaths for the year, it would be interesting to see how high up we were at the start if the year in comparison to when it spiked due to covid. I'm just asking if anyone has this. Because, that's the only way we can see a comparison of how horrendous this flu was.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 11:33 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I've looked back, and can't see anything showing excess deaths for end of last year and start of this. Has anyone got one, because its hard to find on Google. I want to compare this extreme flu we had against the numbers.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-06/how-does-the-wuhan-coronavirus-compare-to-seasonal-flu/

Deaths from flu ranging from 2000 to 28,000 in the last 5 years.

https://www.ons.gov.uk//birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

2000 deaths on average a week from Flu/Pneumonia in the first 12 weeks of 2020. You didn't look very hard did you?

So, the answer is no. You can't provide a comparison, and the second link doesn't work thanks for trying though.

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 11:37 am

Ben

Check the link I posted. It contains excess death data from the start of this year.

Also you can check the 18/19 winter excess death data on ons site. You won't be surprised to hear they don't reveal a hidden influenza epidemic.
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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 11:37 am

McLaren wrote:https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020#deaths-data

I could be missing something but supers influenza claims are hard to find.

The ONS certainly don't seem to have recorded influenza deaths of the number needed to explain even a small proportion of the excess deaths over the covid period.

Nothing to indicate that there was anything out of the ordinary from previous years at start if this year.

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Post by McLaren Sat 16 May 2020, 11:39 am

Ben

Exactly. Not sure how super and souls have interpreted the data there so that influenza explains current excess deaths.
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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 11:46 am

McLaren wrote:Ben

Exactly. Not sure how super and souls have interpreted the data there so that influenza explains current excess deaths.

It says number of deaths was around or below the average up to week 12. Not sure where the horrendous flu story is from.

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Post by beninho Sat 16 May 2020, 2:54 pm

Football without fans is awful.

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Post by westisbest Sat 16 May 2020, 7:46 pm

Don’t know if I could watch a game till fans are back. Apart from Villa games. Having said that, I don’t usually watch full games nowadays anyway.

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Post by beninho Sun 17 May 2020, 8:35 am

Well, I for one, am disgusted, that years ago Keir Starmer brought a field for his mum, just behind her house, so she can use it as a donkey sanctuary. Disgusting. And the fact it could be worth millions, especially if it wasn't on green belt land and was up for sale.

The mail on Sunday is absolutely right to be frothing in anger.

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Post by Plunky Sun 17 May 2020, 1:20 pm

beninho wrote:I'm March I emailed a few local pros (golf not actual hookers) about a lesson or assessment. Bounced a couple if emails, then it went quiet, obviously. Got an email back that the range is opening up again next week. Which, I suppose is good, but how's a lesson for social distancing?

It's interesting how different courses handle things right now. We've just enjoyed our first week back playing golf. Eighteen minutes between tee times, social distancing, masks when there's anyone close, arrive not more than 15 mins ahead of tee time and no hanging around. But they're trying to eliminate anything that involves many hands making contact with objects. So there are no ball washers, no touching the flagstick, no bathrooms , and no plans to open the driving range. But it feels great to be back !

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Post by dynamark Sun 17 May 2020, 1:39 pm

Plunk I thought you called them restrooms over there .The 18 minutes is a bit much though.We have had an e mail to say the 'bathroom' will be open but usual social distancing.
Considering I live in a pretty sedate area we had an interesting Friday evening.I went to bed at the back of the flat about 8.30 to listen to radio 5 as you do and I'm thinking theres a lot of noise outside sounded like kids argueing but it went on a bit so I get up and wander to the front window and we have a full on riot going on.At least 20 police 2 big lads pushing each other a girl laid out sparko on the road opposite everyone shouting.Street sealed off amubulance medics the full monty.Next door out with his 9 iron ready to pile in.I didn't recognise any of the people I could see but Im reliably advised they were from our 'traveller'
community couple of miles away who had a police raid on Thursday arresting 8 of their menfolk.

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Post by dynamark Sun 17 May 2020, 1:46 pm

Meant to mention this yesterday on the radio Peter Ebdon snooker player had to retire through
arm injury (very common for the snooker lads to get issues).Anyway he thinks he is a 'healer'and talked at length about our inner energy and aura done the training etc etc .Made David Icke look like captain sensible .Even talked about Covid.
A complete load of tosh and the interviewer wasn't really willing to challenge him in an way

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Post by super_realist Sun 17 May 2020, 2:53 pm

beninho wrote:
McLaren wrote:https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020#deaths-data

I could be missing something but supers influenza claims are hard to find.

The ONS certainly don't seem to have recorded influenza deaths of the number needed to explain even a small proportion of the excess deaths over the covid period.

Nothing to indicate that there was anything out of the ordinary from previous years at start if this year.
Other than it being massively higher than the year before?

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Post by super_realist Mon 18 May 2020, 8:02 am

Ben must be ill this morning.

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Post by Pal Joey Mon 18 May 2020, 9:50 am

super_realist wrote:Ben must be ill this morning.

I'm sure it's nothing that a dose of super_realism can't cure.
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Post by dynamark Mon 18 May 2020, 2:35 pm

To be fair he is probably at work helping folk get places to live. Heart of gold

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Post by I'm never wrong Mon 18 May 2020, 3:51 pm

Looks like 28th May for those north of the border. Cleaning your clubs Mac?

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Post by McLaren Mon 18 May 2020, 3:52 pm

Going to England for the weekend.
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Post by super_realist Mon 18 May 2020, 3:54 pm

McLaren wrote:Going to England for the weekend.

Maintain 2m on the bus

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Post by I'm never wrong Mon 18 May 2020, 4:01 pm

McLaren wrote:Going to England for the weekend.
Stay safe, errr alert....or whatever Mac

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Post by dynamark Mon 18 May 2020, 7:15 pm

Friend called today (as it is my birthday )in front of the house just to say hello and they had been to Weymouth on Friday about 150 miles packed lunch drove there eat lunch had a look and drove back.Bonkers but they loved it just how we are all getting mad.

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Post by westisbest Mon 18 May 2020, 11:04 pm

Know a few people that drove to Bournemouth from London for a few hours on the beach over the weekend.

From what I hear the beach wasn’t as busy as people thought.
Numbers have been pretty low here, so hopefully they won’t go up.

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Post by beninho Tue 19 May 2020, 7:48 am

Glad you missed me realist!

Anyway, todays thought for the day.

Ending Freedom of Movement, after the governments vote. Must make the racist brexiteers very happy. I can't imagine anyone who isn't, a bit racist that could be happy with the decision.

Have a good day all.

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