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Post by super_realist Tue May 19, 2020 8:58 am

First topic message reminder :

I'm fine with immigration of people who bring value to the country in one way or another, who wouldn't be? What I'm not in favour of is people who bring nothing to the country in terms of skills, education, money etc. I wouldn't expect the many millions of useless Britons to be able to go the other way either just for balance.

What policy is has actively being engaged to stop people of a particular race unable to enter the country anyway? I've not seen any.


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Post by dynamark Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:43 pm

Navy correct the judge/magistrate has a book of tariffs for offences to work to upper/lower limits.
Soul I followed Tigers to an extent as my boss at the time had his son playing for the reserves.At the age of 25 he was physically absolutely shot from high intensity rugby since about 12 year sold.Brutal game at that level.

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Post by McLaren Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Either super has been laid low by covid or he has a ban. It's rare for him not to post during the day.
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Post by I'm never wrong Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:39 pm

McLaren wrote:Either super has been laid low by covid or he has a ban. It's rare for him not to post during the day.
Hope he's not affected by BP job cuts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52966609

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Post by McLaren Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:11 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:
McLaren wrote:Either super has been laid low by covid or he has a ban. It's rare for him not to post during the day.
Hope he's not affected by BP job cuts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52966609

Would be a real shame if he had to start using the bus.
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Post by beninho Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:41 pm

League 1 finished Chairboys make playoffs,fans of bigger clubs not happy!

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:23 pm

beninho wrote:League 1 finished  Chairboys make playoffs,fans of bigger clubs not happy!


Diggers will be furious, PFC have a lifeline . . . . . . . .

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Post by westisbest Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:02 am

When are the play offs?

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Post by beninho Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:00 am

Around the 19th I think

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Post by westisbest Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:25 am

Tough one to call to see who will win that.

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Post by JAS Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:58 pm

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I'm never wrong wrote:
McLaren wrote:Either super has been laid low by covid or he has a ban. It's rare for him not to post during the day.
Hope he's not affected by BP job cuts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52966609

Would be a real shame if he had to start using the bus.

Thought you were a bit previous 2 days ago but here we are 3 days in and still no sign. Lets see if he's still around...

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Post by superflyweight Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:21 pm

JAS wrote:
McLaren wrote:
I'm never wrong wrote:
McLaren wrote:Either super has been laid low by covid or he has a ban. It's rare for him not to post during the day.
Hope he's not affected by BP job cuts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52966609

Would be a real shame if he had to start using the bus.

Thought you were a bit previous 2 days ago but here we are 3 days in and still no sign. Lets see if he's still around...

Raheem Sterling is an intelligent all round good bloke
The Old Firm are the jewel in the crown of the marvellous entity that is Scottish football
Jeremy Corbyn was an awesome leader
Democratic Socialism is so much better a way to run an advanced economy that Right wing populism
The Edge is a wonderful guitarist

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Post by dynamark Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:01 pm

this is like the Bermuda triangle first Diggers then Super - whoever next?
I thought Baden Powell was a thoroughly decent fellow boy scouts and all but apparently not.

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Post by navyblueshorts Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:54 pm

dynamark wrote:this is like the Bermuda triangle first Diggers then Super - whoever next?
I thought Baden Powell was a thoroughly decent fellow boy scouts and all but apparently not.
Historical context, and all that...
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Post by pedro Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:50 pm

Tiger is a class act. So is Bono.

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Post by JAS Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:07 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
dynamark wrote:this is like the Bermuda triangle first Diggers then Super - whoever next?
I thought Baden Powell was a thoroughly decent fellow boy scouts and all but apparently not.
Historical context, and all that...

It's all justing getting a bit silly now, apparently BP was a bit of a fan of Adolf, I had no idea

Now the Tories are eyeing an opportunity to take down the statue of Marx (que Corbyn in the corner shouting you can't do that it would be anti-semitic :-p)

What a can of worms we have opened, the Pyramids were built by slaves, should they now be taken down too?

More sinisterly, never one to miss a confrontation, Yaxley Lennon and his merry band of right wing xenophobes are planning counter demos this weekend...no doubt that will end well...not!!

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Post by dynamark Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:31 pm

Jas some of the guys keeping an eye on Baden Powell did not look exactly like boy scouts ! Discussing this with a mate last night and it will give the right wing groups a good excuse to pitch in.
We will be burning books soon and all religion will have to go
Different subject Ive just been into the office to collect some PPE and I suddenly thought why not call in to M and S foodhall get some decent grub for the weekend.it didn't look busy so in I went and incredibly the rest of the store was open clothes furnishings the lot.I asked a member of staff and he said yes because we have food we can open now that is bending the rules big time.

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Post by beninho Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:55 pm

I suppose when Yaxley Lennon and his mob of idiots start raging , it sort if shows racism is actually still an issue in the country and the (peaceful) protests are actually pretty fair.

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Post by McLaren Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:00 pm

I feel bad for saying this in his absence (hopefully just a ban and not struck down by the plague) but does super exemplify the idea that just not being racist isn't enough. In that you need to actively call it out where you see it or in some way help the cause. He flirts with with the line of being outright racist and certainly never takes the anti racist stand? The unwillingness to help the cause is in practical terms the same as some forms of racism.
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Post by McLaren Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:11 pm

I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM. It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.
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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm

beninho wrote:I suppose when Yaxley Lennon and his mob of idiots start raging , it sort if shows racism is actually still an issue in the country and the (peaceful) protests are actually pretty fair.

"Peaceful" good one Ben.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:30 pm

McLaren wrote:I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM.  It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.

Or rather we don't consider him to be racist and consider multiple other factors when voting like the suitability of the opposition and the economy but you narrow it down to a one issue vote.

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Post by JAS Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:07 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
McLaren wrote:I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM.  It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.

Or rather we don't consider him to be racist and consider multiple other factors when voting like the suitability of the opposition and the economy but you narrow it down to a one issue vote.

Yep just as some considered the alternative to also have considerable flaws but by and large were prepared to accept the "warts and all" however there weren't enough so minded. Too many mopped up the nonsensical assertion that the opposition was run by a Marxist anti-semite. Corbyn was neither, he was however an inept leader that couldn't convince the masses of the simple fact that he was neither, THAT was a failure of leadership. The very term Marxist anti-semite is an oxymoron. None of that mattered to the great Tory lie machine though


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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:15 pm

JAS wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
McLaren wrote:I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM.  It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.

Or rather we don't consider him to be racist and consider multiple other factors when voting like the suitability of the opposition and the economy but you narrow it down to a one issue vote.

Yep just as some considered the alternative to also have considerable flaws but by and large were prepared to accept the "warts and all" however there weren't enough so minded. Too many mopped up the nonsensical assertion that the opposition was run by a Marxist anti-semite. Corbyn was neither, he was however an inept leader that couldn't convince the masses of the simple fact that he was neither, THAT was a failure of leadership. The very term Marxist anti-semite is an oxymoron. None of that mattered to the great Tory lie machine though


I wouldn't call Corbyn an anti-semite himself but he certainly turned a blind eye to it. There were and are plenty of Marxist anti-semites, the Politburo after the expulsion of Trotsky literally allowed purges bases on that very fact.

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Post by superflyweight Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:16 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
McLaren wrote:I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM.  It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.

Or rather we don't consider him to be racist and consider multiple other factors when voting like the suitability of the opposition and the economy but you narrow it down to a one issue vote.

Not a racist  Shocked  

"It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies."

"No doubt the AK47s will fall silent, and the pangas will stop their hacking of human flesh, and the tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief touch down in his big white British taxpayer-funded bird."

"The part-Kenyan president [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire – of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender."

"All the young people I know – ie those under 30 – are just as avaricious as we flinty Thatcherite yuppies of the 1980s in fact, they have an almost Nigerian interest in money and gadgets of all kinds."

"The best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty."

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Post by JAS Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:41 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:

I wouldn't call Corbyn an anti-semite himself but he certainly turned a blind eye to it.

You don't need to, most media outlets, particularly the The Daily Fail & Torygraph spouted it pretty much most days in the weeks leading up to Dec 12th (and before) and as such it's pretty subliminally ingrained in most people.

I don't think he turned a blind eye either, reckon he was just crap at dealing with it

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Post by McLaren Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:08 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
McLaren wrote:I have seen some controversy around comments that Boris's spokesperson made about how Boris's racist comments were settled by the last general election.

This is true, in the last general election (and any other time he has stood for office) those voting for him have decided that a racist can hold that office. In the most recent case anyone voting Tory has condoned a racist becoming PM.  It may be very sad but it is true, the UK is still racist enough to elect a racist as PM.

Or rather we don't consider him to be racist and consider multiple other factors when voting like the suitability of the opposition and the economy but you narrow it down to a one issue vote.

Soul

As superfly has pointed out it is not up for debate, Boris is racist. However I sort of agree with your post because it was never about him being racist for those that voted for him. It was about knowing, or being ignorant to the fact, that he was racist but deciding that other factors outweighed this. The societal racism or perpetuation of structural racism was about it not being about the single issue of him being racist, not ruling him out for that alone ensured the UK's racist tendencies were firmly locked in place.

Said more precisely, it would have been better if we could at least have got to the point where him being racist was a disqualifying trait (or one issue as you put it).
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Post by beninho Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:12 pm

The problem is, what Johnson has said, are racist terms. Lots of people have defended what he said.

If you accept that you have voted for someone who has made racist comments, you probably also can't see that the UK still has racism issues.

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Post by dynamark Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:56 am

I have a feeling this weekend there may be some serious aggro police seem to be expecting it by their comments.Shame as the cause is fine but hot summers day is perfect for a protest punch up.rarely happens in a wet cold winter.
You cannot wipe away history even 40year old Tv shows- have to learn and make progress.Im definitely no racist my best pal outside of family is Sikh indian decent and I have muslim tenants and work friends.Things have to be done on merit and ability but fairly.Unfair treatment is one thing but entitlement due to race is another.
Virtually everything you look back on is flawed badly religion,wars,governance.

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Post by beninho Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:53 pm

Glad the blm protests were cancelled. It looks like a lot of people turned up looking to fight some black people in london.

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Post by dynamark Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:00 pm

Didn't realise that was cancelled Ben .The lad who peed up the wall near the memorial apparently turned himself in at his local nick so minor credit.No doubt his defence will be I was drunk so didnt see the memorial.

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Post by beninho Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:22 pm

All over social media and Facebook people are sharing videos titled patriot stabbed or throat cut. Nothing of the sort has happened. People are accepting this. It really shows the issues in the country and why the BLM movement is actually quite justified.

Though, i did laugh at reading how the racists turned up looking for a fight so fought the police who were defending tbe statues the racists said they were there to defend. Whike some also gave nazi salutes while celebrating Churchill.

Bunch of frickibg wnkers.

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Post by McLaren Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:55 pm

Big shocker. Country that voted in racist PM has riots by racist people. England is turning into a complete sewer.
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Post by pedro Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:47 pm

What’d you expect from a country built on colonialism?

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Post by incontinentia Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:59 pm

Another police killing in America, this time in Atlanta. Police shot a black man dead after he resisted arrest, took one of the policemen's taser guns and fired it at police while fleeing. Protesters have burned down the Wendy's restaurant outside which the incident occured and blocked a nearby highway. The policeman who fired the fatal shot was fired and his companion was put on administrative leave. The Atlanta police chief has resigned as a result.

From looking at the video it looked like suicide by cop to me. Dont understand how those protesting see it as such a huge miscarriage of justice. Hardly warrants the resignation of the police chief either.
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Post by McLaren Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:06 pm

pedro wrote:What’d you expect from a country built on colonialism?

As naive as it sounds. Better.

The anti intellectual nature and opposition to learning that certain segments of UK society have is really shining through at the moment.
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Post by beninho Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:04 pm

incontinentia wrote:Another police killing in America, this time in Atlanta. Police shot a black man dead after he resisted arrest, took one of the policemen's taser guns and fired it at police while fleeing. Protesters have burned down the Wendy's restaurant outside which the incident occured and blocked a nearby highway. The policeman who fired the fatal shot was fired and his companion was put on administrative leave. The Atlanta police chief has resigned as a result.

From looking at the video it looked like suicide by cop to me. Dont understand how those protesting see it as such a huge miscarriage of justice. Hardly warrants the resignation of the police chief either.

My understanding is, that the police there, have previously gone to court declaring that a taser is not a life threatening weapon, or something like that. So, considering this guy, was drunk or stoned, and had been asleep, the fact he bolted with a taser cannot be deemed as life threatening. Considering he left his car, to shoot and kill him seems massively over the top.

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Post by pedro Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:20 pm

beninho wrote:. Considering he left his car, to shoot and kill him seems massively over the top.  
Well, he didn’t. They struggled on the ground and the guy fled with the taser gun, firing it at the cop. Though, a well trained cop had shot him in the legs, at the max.

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Post by incontinentia Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:33 pm

Thank god Tiger Woods didnt resist arrest during his traffic stop a few years ago. Although his celebrity would have defo worked in his favour.
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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:52 am

beninho wrote:All over social media and Facebook people are sharing videos titled patriot stabbed or throat cut. Nothing of the sort has happened. People are accepting this. It really shows the issues in the country and why the BLM movement is actually quite justified....
On one level, yes, it does. On another, it shows what poison social media can be if you're either incapable or unwilling to verify anything.
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Post by JAS Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:18 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:All over social media and Facebook people are sharing videos titled patriot stabbed or throat cut. Nothing of the sort has happened. People are accepting this. It really shows the issues in the country and why the BLM movement is actually quite justified....
On one level, yes, it does. On another, it shows what poison social media can be if you're either incapable or unwilling to verify anything.

BOOM, nailed it Navy, the amount of complete drivel, much of it outdated, that swirls around social media trying to stir up hate/sell lies is astounding. I had a PM from a mate this morning (clearly he's just got it and circulated to his friends list without reading it) and it started "It's just been announced that Julia Gillard Australian PM is telling Muslims that want to live under Sharia Law to get out of Australia" I politely replied that whilst he may have had a point, the fact was that Gillard hadn't been PM since 2013. Also she had been a Labor PM (my mate's a Tory).


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Post by incontinentia Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:06 pm

This is a nice story https://extra.ie/2020/06/15/must-see/black-lives-matter-counter-protestor-photograph

BLM protestor saves counter-protestor from being stampeded.
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Post by JAS Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:28 pm

incontinentia wrote:This is a nice story https://extra.ie/2020/06/15/must-see/black-lives-matter-counter-protestor-photograph

BLM protestor saves counter-protestor from being stampeded.

You can just imagine the average racist hooligan scratching their head unable to work that one out :-p

I'd quite an answer to the questions... how does pissing on memorials and attacking policemen equate to "saving statues" and why do guys doing Nazi salutes feel the need to defend Churchills statue. I'm not sure whether it's me that's confused or them.

My own theory is that the veterans, having fought to defend the very fabric of this country are a bit perturbed that they see that fabric disintegrating, marching to make their feelings known...fair point. Whatever the rights and wrongs of their particular view they have the right to make their feelings know and they will garner a fair degree of empathy.
The football supporters alliance? 3 months without a game means 3 months without a good p!ss up and a good fight. The dregs of society also have the right to demo as well. Maybe its just me but I don't see them carrying the same gravitas as veterans. The danger is that the veterans gets dragged into the thuggery and their point is lost.
Those 2 sets of very diverse people shouldn't be mixing in city centres at this time...simples

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Post by JAS Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:37 pm

This thread now feels like a bit of an echo chamber without the Input and responses of the curmudgeonly cantankerous one. Where the hell is he??

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Post by dynamark Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:48 pm

Jas someone needs to step into the breach so Im going to have a go on school meals.Not neccesarily the view of the author.
I think school meals at school were there to make sure the kid got at least one decent meal.The problem with vouchers is that we cannot be sure the child gets the benefit.
There are all manner of welfare and support finance in place to help folk.
Why have so many kids and where are the fathers
Why do people in the food bank queue stand outside smoking.
Hows that?


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Post by Soul Requiem Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:53 pm

JAS wrote:[

I'd quite an answer to the questions... how does pissing on memorials and attacking policemen equate to "saving statues" and why do guys doing Nazi salutes feel the need to defend Churchills statue. I'm not sure whether it's me that's confused or them.

My own theory is that the veterans, having fought to defend the very fabric of this country are a bit perturbed that they see that fabric disintegrating, marching to make their feelings known...fair point. Whatever the rights and wrongs of their particular view they have the right to make their feelings know and they will garner a fair degree of empathy.
The football supporters alliance? 3 months without a game means 3 months without a good p!ss up and a good fight. The dregs of society also have the right to demo as well. Maybe its just me but I don't see them carrying the same gravitas as veterans. The danger is that the veterans gets dragged into the thuggery and their point is lost.
Those 2 sets of very diverse people shouldn't be mixing in city centres at this time...simples

I fully supported the veterans with their decision to take action, desecrating the Cenotaph as was done last weekend during the BLM protest is unacceptable on every level and is an insult to all those who have laid down their lives. Lest we forget that includes military personnel from all around the world most notably the Gurkhas who despite being marginalised in this country for many years acted with the upmost dignity.

The football lot however are nothing but the dregs of society as you rightly said JAS.

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Post by McLaren Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:35 am

OK so what has happened to super_realist. Did he get banged up for travelling more than 5 miles to play golf?
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Post by dynamark Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:31 pm

could be another murder mystery Mac.
Sad news snookers Willie Thorne passed away today well known for snooker but little known for his charity work through golf days amongst other outlets.For a man who gambled probably millions he also raised a lot for others.We have an annual Santas golf day every December which willie hosted until last year.He did a super job as speaker and ran an auction very well raising several thousand each year.the event will continue and monies go to a local hospice for terminally ill.Real gentleman very kind to myself and many but don't lend him any money!

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Post by McLaren Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:55 pm

Super, if you are still about I see the 5 miles for recreation has been strongly reiterated during the phase 2 announcement in Scotland. You need to get an Edinburgh membership.
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Post by super_realist Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:22 pm

It hasn't at all Mac, if anything it's even more vague. First of all it says recreation is recommended to be 5 miles or so , secondly it says that this recommendation doesn't apply to seeing friends or family.
Given that anyone can just claim they are going to see family and that anyone on the road could be on their way to do this then the police are even less likely to stop anyone. Besides, I've got a Black Lives Matter placard in my boot , which is effectively a 'get out of jail free' card.

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Post by navyblueshorts Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:20 pm

super_realist wrote:It hasn't at all Mac, if anything it's even more vague. First of all it says recreation is recommended to be 5 miles or so , secondly it says that this recommendation doesn't apply to seeing friends or family.
Given that anyone can just claim they are going to see family and that anyone on the road could be on their way to do this then the police are even less likely to stop anyone. Besides, I've got a Black Lives Matter placard in my boot , which is effectively a 'get out of jail free' card.
Ahhh. We've missed this, haven't we?

Scottish Government wrote:People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.
Pretty clear.
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