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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon May 25, 2020 7:48 pm

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Self-isolating, social distancing, locked down thread split.

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Post by Duty281 Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:38 am

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PaulHv2 wrote:Duty you do realise how badly funded the NHS has been for the last decade right? Factor in that a lot of that money never filters down to the areas that actually need,something that the government will be aware of, it is just the fat cat getting fatter.

The NHS has still had increased funding through every year of the last decade - £126.1 billion was the Department of Health's budget in 2010, up to £148.8 billion in 2020. Granted the NHS' increases in that time have been smaller than previous years, but that was a direct result of the financial hit and subsequent economic downturn starting in 2008. The NHS Funding Bill last year, however, was going to implement bigger increases in NHS funding up to and including 2024.

I can agree with your latter point, because the NHS is a bureaucratic monster that swallows up all this extra funding and, like Oliver Twist, will soon be back for more.

We should all not grow old or get sick then there won't be any problems.

Actually being serious - yes the NHS eats cash. But the alternatives eat cash faster. Well worth looking at the figures on how much a health service actually costs in different countries. The NHS tends to do very well under that criteria.

The big problem with health, just like with social security, is that yiou cannot actually, ultimately, avoid paying for it. It is just a question of how, and where you pay for it.

Data from the ONS (2018) seems to indicate that the UK government's spending on health comes out at 7.8% of GDP, this is higher than the majority of EU countries. Only Denmark, France and Austria come out as higher, with the Czechs/Dutch/Belgians roughly equal. Everyone else in the EU, which is the majority, spends less as a percentage of GDP. Non-EU Iceland is around the same as the UK, Norway a bit higher, and Switzerland a lot lower.

Given the NHS doesn't compare as favourably, as a healthcare service, to most of Western Europe (from Portugal to Germany), this isn't a particularly great return.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:39 am

£22B spent to date and a further £15B set aside for next year and we still have a dysfunctional and next to useless test and trace system. This from the Public Accounts Committee, an all party group of MPs looking into how public finances are used.

There is no evidence that the T & T system has had any effect on the stopping the spread of Covid-19. The two pieces of data that could evidence it has not been released by Harding and her cronies. How long has it taken on average to trace people once a positive test has been recorder and how many people have been traced relative to the amount of positive tests. Just setting out the number of tests possessed tells us nothing.

Some 400 contracts being signed with 217 different suppliers. Some 70% of the value of those contracts were directly awarded rather than being put out to tender. No wonder it was dysfunctional.

Up to £6,600 a day being paid to consultants, obviously not a tendered contract, there are still circa 2,500 of these consultants being paid ridiculous sums, not all £6,600 a day probably not many even but in the thousands per day to advise on a system that simply does not and has never worked.

Harding:
"She said performance had been improving with more people who tested positive being reached and more of their close contacts being asked to isolate.

"It is making a real impact in breaking the chains of transmission," she added."

But the MPs' report questioned:

An over-reliance on consultants with some paid more than £6,600 a day.

A failure to be ready for the surge in demand for tests seen last September.

Never meeting its target to turn around tests done face-to-face within 24 hours.

Contact tracers only having enough work to fill half their time even when cases were rising.

The BBC where this came from has a chart showing how complicated the process is, too big for this medium, but the link is below. It couldn't have got more complicated if they had tried.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56340831

It is almost as if someone said, "how can we make this as complicated as possible so that we can get as many of our friends and donors involved at ridiculous rates and get the tax pay to pay for them"

A splurge on rapid tests with no clear evidence they will help.

Committee chairwoman Meg Hillier said it was hard to point to a "measurable difference" the test-and-trace system had made.

"The promise on which this huge expense was justified - avoiding another lockdown - has been broken, twice," she said.

£22B is greater than her Department of Transport budget.
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Post by BamBam Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am

NASA has a budget of ~£20bn for a permanent moon base project. God I wish I made friends with Tory Muppet at uni, could have been a nice little money spinner

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Post by jimbopip Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:18 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/18/delaying-englands-winter-lockdown-caused-up-to-27000-extra-covid-deaths

An interesting read.

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Post by Pr4wn Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:45 am

The government saying that the inquiry isn't necessary is precisely why the UK should have one.

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Post by Samo Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:03 pm

Nearly 27m now had atleast their first dose of the vaccine.

Credit where its due, thats a phenomenal number.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:19 am

Did anybody see Cummings interview by House of Commons science select committee

"Cummings told MPs that the Department of Health was “a smoking ruin in terms of procurement” and personal protective equipment at the start of the pandemic and that Johnson had been forced to take responsibility for vaccine procurement away from the agency last year."

I do wonder who is running the logistics for getting the inoculations carried out, if it is the DoH then Hancock deserves some plaudits for seemingly turning things around, but I somehow suspect it is the NHS that are largely doing the majority of the work,
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Post by Samo Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:28 am

Incredibly reassuring news coming out of the USA as their AstraZeneca trial results have been published. Not only does it provide efficacy against Covid-19 of 79%, but it is 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill.

32000 volunteers took part - 20% of them over 65 - and were given two doses over a 4 week period. It shows that the vaccine is as effective at protecting the elderly as it does the young.

Massive news.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:09 am

Not that anyone needs a reminder Covid is still a deadly disease, but a couple of days ago a fairly young guy comes into A&E with common flu-like symptoms, but just very severe and with some difficulty breathing.  Tested positive for Covid, but his bloods showed nothing else unusual and his medical record was quite good.  Put in isolation, we gave him a series of medications including remdesivir.  Last night just days after coming in he died alone, no family, no friends, no one with him except the nurse wearing her biohazard suit.  He wasn't even my patient directly, but was checking on him periodically. This is what each of us is fighting whether one is on the so-called front lines or simply living through it.  

Over the course of a long career which includes being in serious conflict areas, I still can't forget any patient I ever lost.  I have to work today, going now actually.  But tonight I drink.  Heavily.  

I am not remotely special in this.  Any good medical professional who tries to keep his or her sense of life will feel the same.  Writing it here because although my family is very supportive, I needed to write something down and this is the only thing I could think of.   Hang it there all.

Thanks,

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:32 am

doctor_grey wrote:  

I am not remotely special in this.  

You're special to us, champ.

Keep fighting the good fight armed with enormous amounts of gratitude from the rest of us.

Mind the windows Tino.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:39 am

Well said.

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Post by jimbopip Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:57 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:  

I am not remotely special in this.  

You're special to us, champ.

Keep fighting the good fight armed with enormous amounts of gratitude from the rest of us.

Speaks for all of us. Hug

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:56 pm

Thanks gents! Such a shame for the young guy and his family.  I really appreciate the comments.
Now far into my Bourbon, Scotch, and beer.....

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Post by jimbopip Sat May 01, 2021 9:57 am

Doc, instead of Mr Thoroughgood may I recommend Elmore James "The Sky Is Crying"?

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Post by doctor_grey Mon May 03, 2021 5:54 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Thanks gents! Such a shame for the young guy and his family.  I really appreciate the comments.
Now far into my Bourbon, Scotch, and beer.....
I never heard that version before. Really good. You know, it's the humanity of it all, which really brings it all home.

After feeling like crap for a few days, I get dragged out to my son's men's game on Saturday afternoon. So I am running as a touch judge. Everyone knew I needed an attitude realignment and our team was up 35-7 at halftime. So the coach (an old mate) decides I need to get my Poopie together and told me to go in. On the flank. Of course, I am far too old for teams in their 20s and 30s, but in I go for the type of attitude adjustment which only Rugby can provide. After initially being used by the other team as a way to clean the dirt off the bottom of their boots which everyone found very entertaining, I started to fell my self again and started cheating like mad (which is really all I have left) Made my tackles, hit the rucks, caused a turnover, cursed at our scrum-half for taking too long (tradition), and even set up two tries by our forwards. Back in A&E on a short Saturday night shift all bandages and blood. The incoming patients didn't know if I was a patient or a doc (or a vagrant off the streets).

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by jimbopip Mon May 03, 2021 6:35 pm

There's a coincidence : I was settling down to a lazy Saturday afternoon when a former teammate, JynxyJoe, phoned to say he was on the way to watch their match and did I fancy joining him. On the way we talked about coming to terms with not playing. Jynxy does triathlons now. He said he had taken far too many head knocks and wouldn't risk any more. I had to agree and realised I wasn't too far behind him.
This may have coloured how I watched the game.
Five minutes in our 13 tackles their tight head and doesn't get up. Head in the wrong place and probably concussed. Taken off straight away.
Ten minutes in the opposition 4 is off walking along the touchline gingerly testing his knee. Then he tried a gentle jog and it buckled .
Fifteen minutes and the opposition hooker is red carded for a head butt on our 7 who is off with a broken nose.
Almost immediately their 10 lands awkwardly and comes off cradling his arm.
Two minutes later we score under the posts while on the far touchline the winger who made the break is immobile with a twisted ankle/knee.
A couple of minutes later Bigson takes the ball into contact and gets a shoulder driven up under his ribs. He staggered off the pitch and vomited promiscuously. Lay down , vomited. Lay down again. Got up vomited. Then insisted on going back on!
By half time five young men were injured. Also Bigson who went back on when he shouldn't have.
Jynxy had to leave at half time so I have no idea how many breaks, strains and concussions there were by the end.
I love the game but sometimes I feel guilty watching it.

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