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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 12 Jun 2020, 3:46 pm

Now a verbal agreement has been made for the "Two biggest fights of the Century"....Hard to believe either Fury or Joshua will want to jeopardize the huge money on offer......So Pulev is ideal for Joshua and should Wilder be injured in December doubtful Fury will fight before Joshua next year..

Where does that leave deserving mandatory Whyte in all this.....Well it leaves him with him a Promoter that..

1. Doesn't really want Whyte to beat Fury !!.......Whyte is an ugly duckling...Millions of dollars will be down the river..

2. A promoter that comments if Wilder pulls out he wants Whyte to take his place while saying he has Fury v Joshua lined up for next year....Hardly backing his fighter's chances is he ??.....

3. Hearn apparently made Whyte a desultory offer last year to fight Joshua...(The video of Whyte chastising Hearn went viral)...

4. A promoter that feeds him hard fights for no apparent reason...........Povetkin ????........Which mandatory contender fights in a 50/50 while he is waiting and risks his hard earned slot ???...Can't think of any !!..Pulev has fought 4 times in 4 years....Who did Breazale beat ??....Who did Ortiz beat ??....Povetkin is PPV but a World title shot will be much more lucrative and that is out the window if he loses..

Sure it is not easy biting the hand that feeds you and I can understand Mr Whyte's reticence......But Dillian must know he is an after thought...Hearn spends his time brown nosing Joshua....Joshua is his cash cow.....

Whyte will get his shot and if he truly backs himself why not do it on your own...He pretty much is on his already while Joshua is the cash cow.

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 12 Jun 2020, 5:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote: Where does that leave deserving mandatory Whyte in all this.....Well it leaves him with him a Promoter that..

3. Hearn apparently made Whyte a desultory offer last year to fight Joshua...(The video of Whyte chastising Hearn went viral)...

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Whyte will get his shot and if he truly backs himself why not do it on your own... He pretty much is on his already while Joshua is the cash cow.

With regard 3. - how much did Ruiz get for the first Joshua fight?  I assume that must have been fairly low yet Ruiz started buying cars and houses and went partying.  If Hearn made Whyte an offer, Whyte could have backed himself and jumped at the chance.  If he wins then the money would start to really flow in.  

It seems obvious that Joshua is Hearn's major asset and that Hearn would want to try to protect that.  That must have been clear to Whyte when he joined up with Hearn.  

It therefore seemed sensible for Hearn to try to push Whyte up the WBC rankings to get him a mandatory with Deontay Wilder.  If that had happened and Whyte had won, then Hearn would have been sitting pretty in the Heavyweight division with both Joshua and Whyte as World Champions.  But I don't know enough about the boxing game to know why that never came about.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 12 Jun 2020, 6:18 pm

I have a lot of time for Whyte, as he has consistently taken on the decent fighters that no-one wants to deal with. Fringe contender Helenius was practically shut out yet has since beaten the KO specialist in Kownacki by brutal KO. Nobody wanted anything to do with the unbeaten Lucas Browne, but up stepped Whyte. Granted Browne was not in shape, but you won't find a better left-hook KO in 2018.

Then it was Parker's turn, and yes the first knockdown was caused by a headbutt, but he put Parker on his rear in the 9th, something nobody else had done previously, Joshua and Ruiz included. He was almost stopped in the 12th, but made it to the end. Exciting stuff.

He has had two life and death encounters with Chisora, who has proved he's still a fringe contender after his reinvention as "War Chisora" and his KOs of Takam, Szpilka and Price. Chisora and Whyte went at it like a pair of stags in the 2nd fight until the last man was standing.

He's taken on the unbeaten and supposedly dangerous Rivas. He kept busy with Wach. He had Povetkin lined up before Covid19. Aside from the absolute top, and the mystifying promotion of Breazeale over him by the WBC, he's kept himself relevant and the go-to-guy for contenders. He's beaten all in front of him bar Joshua. He has an excellent record, and it's arguably better than AJ's, Fury's and Wilder's.

Of course, AJ is going to be Hearn's Golden Goose, therefore he's going to concentrate on him. Whyte has been very badly treated by the WBC, and I am certain that Wilder's people wanted nothing to do with him because he was dangerous and could fight a bit. If Wilder pulls out, I don't see why Eddie can't push for a Fury fight. He's the No1 contender and you can bet that Whyte would jump at the chance. The winner gets a set-for-life fight and it'd be a "redemption" fight for Whyte if he were to beat Fury. He's not rated by the other organisations because he's the "interim" WBC champ which we all know means diddly squat.

Whyte's been shafted by Covid19 as well as the rematch clauses, along with the "Unification Takes Precedence" stance of the governing bodies. I hope he gets a shot of some sort. He deserves one.

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Post by Jeff Navarro on Sat 13 Jun 2020, 10:11 am

Surely Whyte’s best hopes to land his mandatory shot for the WBC title would be if Usyk refuses to step aside and allow Fury vs Joshua? If WBO enforces Usyk’s mandatory after the Pulev fight, Fury/Wilder would have to fight Whyte. If Usyk takes the step aside money, Whyte will be screwed.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 14 Jun 2020, 10:20 am

Bertie - Whyte was a bit put out by the terms of a rematch with Joshua should he beat him as well as the first fight..

Put out I expect by 80/20 for a first fight and 50/50 for a rematch should he win..and rightly so....Fury v Josh are scheduled for spring with a two match contract...Which means no shot for Whyte till 2022....Hearn is his Boss and he is mandatory.

Bounce....Joshua may be his golden goose but if you are mandatory and a guy is your Promoter....In reality he shouldn't parachute a guy in front of you....I agree with your Whyte appraisal...Dillian is a warrior for sure...

Hello Jeff......I think Usyk is busy fighting Chisora next and I think he loses....Chisora won't be mandatory...

But if he wins....When big money is around the Alphabet Soup forget their principles....So he would be sideswiped for a few greased palms..


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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 14 Jun 2020, 2:34 pm

I agree Dillian Whyte is being screwed by the system.  He is 32 and so his peak physical athleticism must be now on the decline - although this will be counteracted by his experience.  

It  must be difficult to motivate himself given he has been a mandatory challenger for so long.  Maybe he should take fights so that he becomes mandatory challenger for other world belts as well.  All he can do in the meantime is perhaps change trainers to develop new skills.  But all that costs money.

With Fury v Deontay rematch and Fury v Joshua fight deals plus the issue of the pandemic it seems that Dillian Whyte still has a long wait ahead and will have to motivate himself for further difficult non-title fights in the meantime.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Mon 15 Jun 2020, 10:04 am

No name Bertie wrote:I agree Dillian Whyte is being screwed by the system.  He is 32 and so his peak physical athleticism must be now on the decline - although this will be counteracted by his experience.  

It  must be difficult to motivate himself given he has been a mandatory challenger for so long.  Maybe he should take fights so that he becomes mandatory challenger for other world belts as well.  All he can do in the meantime is perhaps change trainers to develop new skills.  But all that costs money.

With Fury v Deontay rematch and Fury v Joshua fight deals plus the issue of the pandemic it seems that Dillian Whyte still has a long wait ahead and will have to motivate himself for further difficult non-title fights in the meantime.

Bertie this is the problem. He isn't rated by the others because he's the interim WBC Champ. Perhaps he should just give that up and go for one of the others...

And Truss, I do think that he's getting shafted by Hearn. I reckon Hearn thought he'd make a few quid of him by promoting him but didn't realise that he would beat everyone else he's faced. Hearn knows that AJ is his big money ticket and does Dillian no favours as a result. But if Whyte jumps to Frank he'd get the same issue due to Fury being there. I really feel for the guy.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Mon 15 Jun 2020, 10:25 am

There is also the money aspect of why Whyte has been facing tricky opponents too, were he with Warren for instance he'd be fighting for a pittance against journeyman rather than getting paid decently to face fellow contenders.

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Post by 88Chris05 on Mon 15 Jun 2020, 8:46 pm

They don't joke that the WBC stands for 'We Be Crooks' for nothing. None of the sanctioning bodies cover themselves in glory, but the WBC are particularly bad for making up the rules as they go along and there's no doubt that Whyte has been hard done by.

Did anyone else see Mauricio Sulaiman's interview re: Whyte's position the other day? He came out and said, "Being number one (in the WBC rankings) doesn't necessarily mean that you're the mandatory contender". Begs the obvious question - what's the point of having your ratings at all then, Mauricio? Never before have I heard the president of a major sanctioning body making this nonsensical claim that number one in the ratings no longer makes you mandatory. Whyte has been rated at number one by that organization since November 2017, so it's not as if it's some flash-in-the-pan rating, and he's beaten two more top-ten ranked Heavyweights since then in Parker and Rivas. More than enough to get a title shot.

I do wonder if he made a big mistake turning down the Joshua fight last year, though. Yeah, he complained of being lowballed with their offer, but I don't see him beating any of Fury, Joshua or Wilder so I doubt he'll ever negotiate any of those fights from a position of dominance, and I think he might have overestimated his drawing power as a challenger (could maybe do with bringing in a manager, as I believe he's still trying to manage himself)....But then again, as he's never (as far as I know) clarified what he was offered, it's hard to say. But the loyalty he's shown to the WBC hasn't been reciprocated.

He's been well over his best fighting weight and looked a bit flat in his last two fights (mitigating factors regarding preparation in the case of Wach, to be fair), so you have to wonder if he's started to lose heart from waiting around so much and has possibly lost some focus. Looks as if he's been making lockdown count, though, so hopefully he'll at least give a good account of himself whenever that title shot finally does come.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 16 Jun 2020, 8:13 am

Give Whyte a chance against Wilder and Joshua....He can outbox Deontay but can he avoid the big shot....

Whyte has improved since Joshua 1...and the 21st Century David Bey showed Joshua to be eminently beatable....Not saying Whyte wins but its 40/60 for me....

As for declining Joshua's deal I think it was the joke demands of the rematch clause that upset him most to be fair.


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Post by Noble-Surfer on Tue 16 Jun 2020, 9:44 am

BBC reporting that Whyte is taking legal action over not being given his mandatory for the WBC belt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/53043528

Not many more details than that at the moment.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 16 Jun 2020, 3:06 pm

The fact remains regardless of the WBC that his Promoter could make sure he gets a shot next Spring instead of 2022....

Whyte has a Promoter whose best interests are served keeping him in limbo..

That is indisputable..


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Post by aja424 on Fri 10 Jul 2020, 10:18 am

I think Whyte and Hearn are happy atm the way things are, with Whyte fighting the number 5-15 contenders for decent ppv money. As soon as he loses to Joshua/Fury/Wilder his pay goes down as ppv will be a harder sell.

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 10 Jul 2020, 10:51 am

aja424 wrote:I think Whyte and Hearn are happy atm the way things are, with Whyte fighting the number 5-15 contenders for decent ppv money. As soon as he loses to Joshua/Fury/Wilder his pay goes down as ppv will be a harder sell.
What if he wins against Joshua or Wilder or Fury?  Then he would be world champion and permanently etched in boxing history as a world champion.   When he retires he would then be more marketable and popular.  

Whyte's only loss was to Joshua when he rocked Joshua but didn't have the skills or wherewithal to finish him off.  That was a long time ago and he has significantly improved since then.  But now lack of motivation and age is negatively impacting him.  He has never been given a world title fight.

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Post by aja424 on Fri 10 Jul 2020, 1:00 pm

I thought he was on fire about a year or so after his loss to Joshua. Now looks like another 30something plodding along heavyweight. I bet he is gutted that Fury out over Wilder the way he did, knowing that it could have been him giving the lesson.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 10 Jul 2020, 1:09 pm

Whyte struggled with Chisora twice....Hardly proof he could give Wilder a lesson....

Wilder wouldn't take long to find Whyte's chin..

Ortiz would box his ears off..

I respect Whyte's attitude but he is a trialhorse in the 80s.

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Post by Derek Smalls on Sun 23 Aug 2020, 3:50 pm

BBC Radio commentator said words to the effect of, Russian boxing gets a lot right - the emphasis on the basics, and the superb coaching from amateur ranks upward.
I can't say that I am too surprised that we had another result of a British boxer with naive traits getting his bottom handed to him. Honeyghan, Khan, Hatton, rushed in like Fools where they should have treaded carefully.

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