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Post by McLaren Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:31 pm

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And what super has also missed is that the statues and TV shows are not really the main focus of the protests. They are easy news bites to bring up but the meat of the protesters argument is about equality for black people.

I also don't think super is correct that just because you support BLM you don't also worry about atrocities committed in other spheres of life. It is just that currently the focus is on racism towards black people.

As much as he hates America, Super would really fit into their libertarian ways.
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Post by incontinentia Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:55 pm

Well done super, what you did is a public service. I detest littering, those who do it should be held to account.
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Post by super_realist Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:58 pm

incontinentia wrote:Well done super, what you did is a public service. I detest littering, those who do it should be held to account.

Sadly it will make no difference whatsoever. Once you are that sort of underclass scum who'll drop litter you pretty much always will be. You can only imagine the sort of hovel these losers live in.

I was out the other day on the coast and some urchins had left their carry out tins and burnt their tent and armchairs in a fire, leaving their crap everywhere. Nothing but a sick bag or a dog egg bag weight more after you've used it, so just take it away.

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Post by McLaren Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:25 pm

Super realist, would happily see migrants drown but can't stand the tesco car park being besmirched by a crisp packet.
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Post by super_realist Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:56 pm

Won't be a very nice place for illegal migrants if we just throw stuff everywhere will it Mac?

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:44 am

Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?

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Post by navyblueshorts Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:51 pm

beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?
Maybe because someone is fed up of trial by social media?
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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:12 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?
Maybe because someone is fed up of trial by social media?

That makes no sense.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:38 pm

beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?

It's seems pretty obvious they will wait and see what happens about people going back to school, no point in having two education secretaries with a black mark against their name.

They didn't sack the Scottish guy either did they? The "sack 'em" culture is as bad as the "cancel culture"

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Post by navyblueshorts Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:46 pm

beninho wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?
Maybe because someone is fed up of trial by social media?

That makes no sense.
🤷 Maybe not, for some.
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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:46 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?

It's seems pretty obvious they will wait and see what happens about people going back to school, no point in having two education secretaries with a black mark against their name.

They didn't sack the Scottish guy either did they? The "sack 'em" culture is as bad as the "cancel culture"

He should probably have resigned. Made an almighty balls up of this. When he said they knew that more deprived areas would be impacted before they released the results shows that it was a mess from the start. They've been unable to explain it in any way. But, im sure he will be gone soon.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:47 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?
Maybe because someone is fed up of trial by social media?

That makes no sense.
🤷 Maybe not, for some.

Basically how is such a massive balls up anything to do with social media.

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Post by McLaren Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:22 pm

Navy loves to adopt the mr level headed sensible white man stance.
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Post by Soul Requiem Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:00 pm

McLaren wrote:Navy loves to adopt the mr level headed sensible white man stance.

As opposed to your neurotic liberal at all costs stance.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:15 pm

I still find it strange that liberal is used as an insult. I cant see any way being liberal is had.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:59 pm

Depends how far you take the term liberal surely.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:30 pm

But, whats wrong with being liberal?

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:06 pm

Surely that depends on how Liberal you are doesn't it, or do you think you can't be too liberal?

For example I would say that the hypocrites at Ben and Jerry saying "people can't be illegal" is excessively liberal.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:25 pm

I dont see how even calling someone excessively liberal can be a bad thing. It just makes no sense to me.


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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:31 pm

If you are saying something which is excessively liberal, it can also be excessively stupid, such as those who are ultra woke as in the Ben and Jerry example I gave you.

If your liberalism is likely to lead to more problems than it solves then can you not see why the degree to how Liberal you are isn't always a good thing?


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Post by Soul Requiem Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:31 pm

beninho wrote:I dont see how even calling someone excessively liberal can be a bad thing. It just makes no sense to me.


That's no real surprise is it.

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Post by incontinentia Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:42 pm

beninho wrote:I still find it strange that liberal is used as an insult.  I cant see any way being liberal is had.
Dont know about Europe, but in America the term has become synonymous with cancel culture, safe spaces, micro aggressions etc etc, basically all the worst aspects of the left.
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Post by McLaren Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:21 pm

Super/inco

Why are we discussing liberalism based on the corrupted US definition and the antics of a few fringe twitter accounts?
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Post by beninho Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:31 pm

so who here wouldn't class themselves as a Liberal person?

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Post by McLaren Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:03 pm

Couldn't find a hands up smiley. but me.
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Post by JuliusHMarx Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:18 pm

If you google 'liberal' the first definition is -
"willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."
In that sense, the first reaction might be that one cannot be too liberal. But in reality there are certain behaviours and opinions that nearly everyone considers unacceptable - and to respect/accept them would be too liberal.

However, under that definition, being generally liberal is a good thing imho.

Another interesting, and related, question is whether a person can be too compassionate?

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:04 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:If you google 'liberal' the first definition is -
"willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."
Which, ironically, doesn’t fit on the Left.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:52 am

pedro wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:If you google 'liberal' the first definition is -
"willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."
Which, ironically, doesn’t fit on the Left.

Exactly, The militant left are the least tolerant people in the country. If you dissent from their narrow view you are shouted down and bullied into silence.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:58 am

McLaren wrote:Couldn't find a hands up smiley. but me.

I thought you were a Liberal Mac?

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Post by beninho Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:10 am

Are you a liberal person realist? Are you part of the Scottish Liberal elite?

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:12 am

Aren't we all liberal to varying degrees?

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Post by beninho Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:14 am

super_realist wrote:Aren't we all liberal to varying degrees?

You would hope so, but when people start using the term as an insult or using liberal elite as derogatory, makes you think people arent as liberal as they should be.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:18 am

Lots of words have different meanings and I think the term as an insult is used as short hand and all encompassing for the hard left Corbyn/Owen Jones type of plank who are just as detestable as those on the far right.

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Post by beninho Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:22 am

I cant say I'm a big fan of Owen Jones but I would definitely not put him below farage or Tommy Robinson or the edl lot n the detestable stakes. I wouldn't put him on a par with them.

Oqen Jones was beaten up by right wing homophobes, in my view, I wouldn't put him on the same level as them.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:26 am

I would. He's just as intolerable, intolerant and myopic in his views as they are, just as dismissive of others opinions and just as vitriolic.
Revolting man.

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Post by beninho Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:33 am

I probably hold homophones and racists to a different level then you then.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:35 am

Are the militant left really less tolerant than the far right? Pretty much the same I'd say. Extremists of any persuasion aren't liberal.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:40 am

Certainly just as intolerant.
The far left are at the heart of cancel culture and no platforming. They're the ones demanding statues being pulled down, freedom of speech being curtailed, TV shows pulled, hate speech replacing valid critisicm, last of the proms missing their most famous tunes, safe spaces, and warnings for students that they might find Shakespeare or something similar "offensive"

I think most of us would have no problem with people being centre right or centre left but most find the extremes of both sides as not being palatable even although I would hope most of us would permit them to have those views.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:48 am

The centre right seem to have a huge issue with the far left but not such a big problem with the far right. Vice versa for the centre left.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:50 am

beninho wrote:I probably hold homophones and racists to a different level then you then.

What have you got against words that sound the same but have two meanings? That's an odd prejudice to have.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:27 am

Perhaps he thinks homophones should be band.

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Post by incontinentia Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:37 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:Are the militant left really less tolerant than the far right? Pretty much the same I'd say. Extremists of any persuasion aren't liberal.
Yep, opposite sides of the same coin.
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Post by superflyweight Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:39 am

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:If you google 'liberal' the first definition is -
"willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."
Which, ironically, doesn’t fit on the Left.

Exactly, The militant left are the least tolerant people in the country. If you dissent from their narrow view you are shouted down and bullied into silence.

You don't appear to be blessed with huge amounts of tolerance either.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:46 am

I'm not claiming to be, but the left are. They claim to be tolerant and inclusive when they are anything but. For example, if you don't support the Black Lives Matter political movement they call you a racist, if you disagree with the unscientific claims of doomsday cult Extinction Rebellion you're considered a climate change denier etc. You can't win with the left unless you believe exactly the same as they do.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:51 am

You're referring to the left when you mean the far left. It's like saying all Tories are racist.

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:53 am

beninho wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
beninho wrote:Does anyone have a good reason why Gavin Williamson hasn't been sacked or resigned as Education minister yet?
Maybe because someone is fed up of trial by social media?

That makes no sense.
🤷 Maybe not, for some.

Basically how is such a massive balls up anything to do with social media.
It's not! That wasn't the point I'm making. Honestly...

Let me spell it out: I'm sure people are fed up w/ social media luvvies and virtue signallers constantly carping for resignations. TBH, the more people jump up and down on that sort of forum, the more I, for example, would dig my heels in.
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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:54 am

McLaren wrote:Navy loves to adopt the mr level headed sensible white man stance.
Yeah, as opposed to the virtue-signalling, frothing at the mouth, based-on-zero-evidence social media warrior-type? Happy to be what you claim I am OK.
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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:56 am

beninho wrote:But, whats wrong with being liberal?
Nothing, and you're right about it being stupidly used as an insult. As if those doing such think being whatever the opposite of liberal is, is something to aspire to....
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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:59 am

incontinentia wrote:
beninho wrote:I still find it strange that liberal is used as an insult.  I cant see any way being liberal is had.
Dont know about Europe, but in America the term has become synonymous with cancel culture, safe spaces, micro aggressions etc etc, basically all the worst aspects of the left.
Maybe, but they should have pushed back against that. It's stuck now. That and they're so deaf to considering that their generally cultish assumption that they're right might need some explaining. They simply can't understand that others might hold different views - see Mac.
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Post by superflyweight Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:01 pm

super_realist wrote:I'm not claiming to be, but the left are. They claim to be tolerant and inclusive when they are anything but. For example, if you don't support the Black Lives Matter political movement they call you a racist, if you disagree with the unscientific claims of doomsday cult Extinction Rebellion you're considered a climate change denier etc. You can't win with the left unless you believe exactly the same as they do.

These are extreme reactions from a lunatic fringe.  The vast majority of people are far more nuanced.  I read something the other day that summed it up perfectly - a 1000 angry people on Twitter are just that - a thousand angry people on Twitter.  It's not a barmoter for everyone else.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:14 pm

There seems to be rather a lot of what people call "lunatic fringe" though doesn't there and its almost become the "no true Scotsman" fallacy of the left.

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