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Post by Mr Bounce on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 4:56 pm

Righto matey - you just keep believing that. What an absolute waste of space.

https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/29390665/jarrell-miller-says-never-willingly-taken-steroid-enhance-performance

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 10:18 am

I'm getting sick of this now, why can't boxing clean up it's own backyard. Ban them for life, bring in stringent testing and if you get caught once make sure they're randomly tested for a long period, if your caught twice your done.
I really don't see the difference between that and putting Plaster of Paris or taking the padding out of gloves.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 7:31 pm

Miller makes the mistake of getting caught....Where as the legend Manny isn't easy to find out in the Phillipines....

Of course the Cocaine sniffing Boxers from the 70s and 80s were too principled to take illegal steroids or Diuretics..

No doubt that Duran got down from 190 to 140 by eating his greens..

When you are giving the 400m lady the Woman of the year award after being banned for being too forgetful to remember three tests in a row then I will worry about Miller...

Till then keep the hypocrisy.


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Post by Soul Requiem on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 8:12 pm

A runner missing three tests and someone who punches people failing a test are the same thing?

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 8:25 pm

Agree with Soul there, it's a different sport (but i think any drug cheat in any sport should be banned for life).
Just because someone else hasn't been caught and boxers in the past does it, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and clean it up

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 9:09 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:A runner missing three tests and someone who punches people failing a test are the same thing?

A forgetful runner....Don't forget the forgetful..

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Post by Mr Bounce on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 9:27 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:A runner missing three tests and someone who punches people failing a test are the same thing?

A forgetful runner....Don't forget the forgetful..

Really Truss? I thought you were better than that. Stop trying to deviate attention from Miller. This isn't about athletics. It's about a bleeping big 300lb bloke punching people in the face for a living having taken illegal drugs, then acting all innocent like he didn't know what he's been doing. Fact is Miller is a cheat, and a big one.

I suppose that at least in athletics everyone must play ball, or they'll get caught. However, in boxing, if you put bums on seats you get a pass. It's ridiculous. Miller should never be allowed to set foot in a ring again.

I have no time for drug cheats in any sport. If they were a favourite of mine, there is no defence - I would find a new favourite.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 10:39 pm

Certain naivete or wilful ignorance when it comes to drugs in Boxing..

Shame Wilfredo Gomez wasn't from the Phillipines...He could have destroyed Hagler...

Cheat = Someone that gets caught...

Hero = Someone we like and can pretend doesn't cheat even if we really know different..

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Post by Soul Requiem on Thu 02 Jul 2020, 10:52 pm

Cheat- non American who I can't handle being at the top of the sport so make baseless accusations to divert away from his greatness.

Hero- American getting caught multiple times but it's ok an athlete missed 3 tests and served her ban, I'll ignore the BALCO scandal whilst I'm at it.

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 11:09 am

The biggest problem is that people will ignore this Poopie, should be 2 strikes and out, that's it. And really i'd have no problem with a one strike and your gone rule.

The sports corrupt from top to bottom, it's not about the best and hasn't been for a long time, it's about the money you make for the promoter/manager. Eddie Hearn called out by Amanda Serrano a few weeks back by offering peanuts (allegedly) for a bout with Katie Taylor, it's all ignored though so we'll end up with someone that won't be a test

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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 12:48 pm

It's going to be difficult for Miller to weasel his way out of this one GW1516 is not sanctioned for use in any type of medication. It's also quite dangerous, hence why it was pulled.

"There is an explanation for it" says Miller. I am intrigued to see how his excuses team spin this.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 5:07 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Cheat- non American who I can't handle being at the top of the sport so make baseless accusations to divert away from his greatness.

Hero- American getting caught multiple times but it's ok an athlete missed 3 tests and served her ban, I'll ignore the BALCO scandal whilst I'm at it.

Why Alvarez is my favorite fighter...

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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Cheat- non American who I can't handle being at the top of the sport so make baseless accusations to divert away from his greatness.

Hero- American getting caught multiple times but it's ok an athlete missed 3 tests and served her ban, I'll ignore the BALCO scandal whilst I'm at it.

Why Alvarez is my favorite fighter...

Also a cheat... Yahoo

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 5:12 pm

Bless you...I'm sure the reason you think 100m runners these days are 3 yards faster than Ben Johnson is because they eat their greens..

The Earth isn't flat either Bouncey..

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 5:31 pm

Evolution Truss ;-)

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 8:20 pm

Have a good weekend... Wink

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 03 Jul 2020, 10:33 pm

Different drugs different effects.

I thought steroids were used to increase muscle mass.  This helps smaller people rise upwards in the weight categories where there might be bigger money fights.  

A heavyweight having more muscle mass could be an advantage in terms of short term explosive power or to dominate a smaller heavyweight, but that extra muscle mass will give rise to exhaustion and fatigue as the fight continues.  

You can put on muscle mass by training and diet but steroids allows this to occur more quickly and also allows additional muscle mass that would not normally be possible to put on.

Muscle mass alone is not necessarily an advantage.  Joshua had stamina issues and seemed to perform better when he reduced his muscle mass.  Deontay Wilder doesn't have a lot of muscle mass but he has a devastating punch due to speed and leverage.

Are there any other advantages in taking steroids than just muscle mass?

Other drugs are used to increase stamina (EPO).   Painkillers are used to improve the intensity and duration of training.  Diuretics are used to make weight (not relevant at heavyweight).

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 04 Jul 2020, 11:55 am

Depends on the steroid....

Test mixes/ Dianabol types of drugs are great for building..

Primobolin/Deca/Winstrol types are great for cutting purposes...

Why Arnie always mixed Dianabol with primo..

Best to know what you want and the dosages before partaking..

Too many People take far more than they need...


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