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Post by GPB Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:53 pm

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1. Last week:  Justin Thomas overcame a 4 shot deficit to win the WGC-FEDEX St Jude by three shots over a four players of Tom Lewis, Daniel Berger, Phil Mickelson and Brooks Koepka   Richie Werenski won the Barracuda event, by one point over Troy Merritt.

2. After he won the Memorial, Jon Rahm took the #1 OWGR ranking from Rory, and now after winning the FEDEX, Justin Thomas took the #1 spot.  

3. This week is the PGA Championship, with most of the OWGR Top 100 players in the field.  The tournament venue is at Harding Park, which has hosted two WGC tournaments in the last 20 years.  Here are some finishes by players in this years field:  Woods (1), Garcia (3), Stenson (3), GMac (6), Furyk (15)Poulter (18), Mickelson (29), Scott (29), ZJohnson (43),  The Match play was played at Harding Park in 2015, won by Rory, beating Woodland in finals.  Players advancing to the Round of 16, include Willett, Furyk, Casey, Oosty, Fleetwood, Fowler, Hideki, and Leishman.

4. Only two more tournaments to qualify for the FEDEX playoffs, some notable players that are currently inside the Top 125, but probably have not clinched a spot in the Northern Trust (Tom Lewis (#117), Russell Knox (#120,  Paul Casey (#121), Charl Schwartzel (#123).  Some players just barely outside the Top 125 include Nick Watney, Zach Johnson, Matt Wallace, Shane Lowry, RCB, Sergio, and Justin Rose. Some players that need a big week to get inside the Top 125 include Willett, Dufner, Power, Walker, Stenson

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:08 pm

It's not political Mac.

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Post by GPB Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:08 pm

super_realist wrote:
That's presuming you do burn the calories, simply eating "healthily" doesn't mean you won't get fat. If you eat more calories than you need its an inevitable result.

That is not what you said, is it?

If you eat too much you get fat doesn't really matter what you eat.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm

The key words are "too much". Why are you refuting that?


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Post by navyblueshorts Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:14 pm

super_realist wrote:Yes, but the point of it is to make golf more interesting not stop certain players from winning.

Golf isn't interesting at the moment when people are flicking a ball 70 yards off the fairway or 90 yards away in the rough following a monster drive. 

Poulters rsolution requires zero technological change and seems pretty logical. A ball has to undergo a whole load of R and D and testing. 

It's particularly bad on the PGA because of the dreary courses. Perhaps they need to move the venues around to areas where weather is less favourable or windy, like Chicago, or set courses up more like US Open venues.
Good point.
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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:18 pm

super_realist wrote:It's not political Mac.

Twas a joke Sups.
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Post by I'm never wrong Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:20 pm

The Royal British Legion is a charity Mac. Apolitical.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:21 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:It's not political Mac.

Twas a joke Sups.
I wouldn't put it beyond you to be one of these people who wear a white poppy Mac.

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:19 pm

Rahm is out of contention. 2 over after 3 holes. Run

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:25 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:Rahm is out of contention. 2 over after 3 holes. Run
You know you're doing badly when you have the same score as Sandy Lyle

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:28 pm

BDC's tactics a bit hit and miss at the moment.

What on earth is Sandy Lyle wearing? Braces for goodness sake.

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:54 pm

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Thursday scripting for Sandy is something different.
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Post by JAS Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:45 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:Rahm is out of contention. 2 over after 3 holes. Run

Didn’t Tiger shoot 40 on the front 9 Thurs the 1st year he won it?

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:49 pm

[quote="JAS"]
I'm never wrong wrote:Rahm is out of contention. 2 over after 3 holes. :run:

Didn’t Tiger shoot 40 on the front 9 Thurs the 1st year he won it?[/quote

Yeh, but he is Tiger Woods.
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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:49 pm

He's ripping it up now. 
Course playing a lot easier than April by the looks of it. Even Botox playing well considered his year of rust. Must have got sufficient reps in.

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:52 pm

Super

Have you got yourself sky sports for this?
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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:54 pm

No, but you can watch each player by clicking on the scoreboard.

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:00 pm

Get it on now TV. Probably only about £20 for the 4 days.
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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:08 pm

Think they used to do a £10 quid now deal but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:09 pm

At most it would be £10 per day.
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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:12 pm

Think you have to sign up for 25 a month for three months

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:21 pm

Get that. You will get some football as well. Not much else to do these days. Surely you want to be watching the Masters? £25 is nothing these days. Wouldn't even get a round most places.
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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:45 pm

I feel like Tiger is making a point out there. And that point is that shot shaping and controlling the ball is also part of the game. I doubt he can maintain this form but he is trying to put on a shot shaping exhibition.
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Post by I'm never wrong Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:33 pm

McLaren wrote:I feel like Tiger is making a point out there. And that point is that shot shaping and controlling the ball is also part of the game. I doubt he can maintain this form but he is trying to put on a shot shaping exhibition.
Mac, I think Tiger has been listening to Super. I didn't see the mad axeman swing. Just putting it into play and getting on with it. If he continues like that, and his back doesn't let him down he will be right up there.

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Post by McLaren Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:57 pm

I was more thinking along the lines that Tigers knows he is no longer the biggest hitter but that he is still the shot shaping master. An FU to Bryson.
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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:36 am

I'm never wrong wrote:
McLaren wrote:I feel like Tiger is making a point out there. And that point is that shot shaping and controlling the ball is also part of the game. I doubt he can maintain this form but he is trying to put on a shot shaping exhibition.
Mac, I think Tiger has been listening to Super. I didn't see the mad axeman swing. Just putting it into play and getting on with it. If he continues like that, and his back doesn't let him down he will be right up there.
Commentators were saying that his back was causing him trouble after he dollied a shot up the fairway on a par 5 and he had to zig zag his way up a small incline.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:37 am

McLaren wrote:I was more thinking along the lines that Tigers knows he is no longer the biggest hitter but that he is still the shot shaping master. An FU to Bryson.
Hasn't TW been effusive re. what BdC has done?
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Post by McLaren Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:30 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:I was more thinking along the lines that Tigers knows he is no longer the biggest hitter but that he is still the shot shaping master. An FU to Bryson.
Hasn't TW been effusive re. what BdC has done?


Given what we know about Tiger it is almost certain that he will have a burning desire to take out BDC.
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Post by McLaren Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Maybe GPB or other Americans know better, but is it just me or are the late starters like Big Cat looking at finishing round 2 on Saturday morning?
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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:45 pm

Big cat?  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by I'm never wrong Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:17 pm

Second round tee times from about 2.30 pm to 8pm UK time.

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Post by JAS Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:18 pm

Slightly off topic but not really, have a look at Augusta National on google maps, not sure when the image is from but safe to say...not this week!!

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Post by JAS Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:21 pm

Think we can put McIlroy down for a missed cut already, after a much needed birdie on 15 he’s just gone for a swim on 16. It’s just not there.

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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:31 pm

JAS wrote:Think we can put McIlroy down for a missed cut already, after a much needed birdie on 15 he’s just gone for a swim on 16. It’s just not there.

Think he's done as a truly world class golfer now. Lacks consistency and his attitude appears to lack any hunger. Can't blame him. If I had hundreds of millions in the bank I doubt I'd be that motivated either. Ditto Gordon Spieth.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:41 pm

super_realist wrote:
JAS wrote:Think we can put McIlroy down for a missed cut already, after a much needed birdie on 15 he’s just gone for a swim on 16. It’s just not there.

Think he's done as a truly world class golfer now. Lacks consistency and his attitude appears to lack any hunger. Can't blame him. If I had hundreds of millions in the bank I doubt I'd be that motivated either. Ditto Gordon Spieth.
Tend to agree w/ this on McIlroy. Less sure on Spieth for the moment.
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Post by GPB Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:43 pm

Mac, Tiger will have to complete his 2nd round on Saturday morning. Probably about 8-9 holes. They will restart at 7:30 et.

I don't think anyone who teed off in the morning wave yesterday will finish today.

Speculation: Third round will start about 10:15- 10:30 et tomorrow with a split tee start. Cut is Low 50 and ties, no 10 shot rule.

Pretty sure round 4 is going to be a split tee start as well. Starting about 8 am et as they are scheduled to finish about 3 pm et.


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Post by Shotrock Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:06 pm

Boy, Rory does like to put himself in a hole. Hard to figure out his mental block with this course.

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Post by I'm never wrong Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:24 pm

Round 1 sweepstakes result in the Masters Comp thread for all you patrons

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Post by McLaren Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:25 pm

Shotrock wrote:Boy, Rory does like to put himself in a hole. Hard to figure out his mental block with this course.

With the course playing so soft, and Rory supposedly being a soft course specialist, is that one of the most disgraceful performances from a top player? It is one thing to play bad but he looked like he just wasn't thinking out there.
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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:31 pm

It's probably never played easier Mac.
I don't often call any sportsmen (or sportspeople) out for a lack of bottle but he seems to freeze at the big occasion these days. He definitely bottled it at The Open and he seems terrified of August these days.
I really don't think it's a course you have to overpower other than the par 5's which can give you a nice advantage. You can just plot your way around like Zach Johnson or Mike Weir.

McIlroy's course management seems to be non existent.

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Post by McLaren Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:40 pm

super_realist wrote:
I really don't think it's a course you have to overpower other than the par 5's which can give you a nice advantage. You can just plot your way around like Zach Johnson or Mike Weir.


Or...............


Spoiler:
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Post by JAS Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:03 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
super_realist wrote:
JAS wrote:Think we can put McIlroy down for a missed cut already, after a much needed birdie on 15 he’s just gone for a swim on 16. It’s just not there.

Think he's done as a truly world class golfer now. Lacks consistency and his attitude appears to lack any hunger. Can't blame him. If I had hundreds of millions in the bank I doubt I'd be that motivated either. Ditto Gordon Spieth.
Tend to agree w/ this on McIlroy. Less sure on Spieth for the moment.

I’d say he’s got the mid career dip but it’s in danger of being much more than just a dip. I remember people like Westwood & Stenson being world top 20 then slumping to outside the 200s only to reinvent themselves and come back to WN1 for the former and an open championship win for the latter. Having said that, remember David Duval. When he was WN1 nobody would have forecast the steepness of his decline.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think he’s finished at all. He’s definitely lost at the moment though, probably why he’s consulting Butch. I’d guess he needs Rotella rather than Butch though and JP back on the bag.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:21 pm

Shout out to Mr. B. Langer. 63 y/o and now at -5. Impressive on a course that must be playing very long for him, even if firing into the greens is being helped.
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Post by I'm never wrong Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:18 pm

Picked up a piece of Masters trivia today. All hole yardages end in 5 or 0.

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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:35 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:Picked up a piece of Masters trivia today. All hole yardages end in 5 or 0.

Do they actually though or is it just the dick heads at Augusta being "different" like calling spectators "patrons".

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Post by JAS Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:38 pm

Spooky stat, when Nicklaus won his 6th Masters it was 23 years after his first and he was 33 in the world rankings. The current world number 33 has 5 masters and its 23 years since he won his first...just saying

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Post by JAS Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:42 pm

Lol no sooner had I condemned McIlroy to a missed cut after round 1 he rolls out a 4 under front 9 on his 2nd round. We’re all so good at predictions eh!!

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Post by I'm never wrong Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:51 pm

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I'm never wrong wrote:Picked up a piece of Masters trivia today. All hole yardages end in 5 or 0.

Do they actually though or is it just the dick heads at Augusta being "different" like calling spectators "patrons".
The championship cards are apparently that way Super; members play of shorter tees. But I think it is also a Masters "thing"

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Post by McLaren Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:03 pm

JAS wrote:Lol no sooner had I condemned McIlroy to a missed cut after round 1 he rolls out a 4 under front 9 on his 2nd round. We’re all so good at predictions eh!!

But as is always the case with him he needs to learn there are too many great players out there to claw back from a 75. He could shoot a 66 today and still be 4 or 5 back.
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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:38 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:
super_realist wrote:
I'm never wrong wrote:Picked up a piece of Masters trivia today. All hole yardages end in 5 or 0.

Do they actually though or is it just the dick heads at Augusta being "different" like calling spectators "patrons".
The championship cards are apparently that way Super; members  play of shorter tees. But I think it is also a Masters "thing"

What I mean is that will be to a certain marker on the tee, from which the course will very seldom be played as they move around. The card may well say that, but in reality the holes may be to that measurement one day out of four at the very best.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:01 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:
super_realist wrote:
I'm never wrong wrote:Picked up a piece of Masters trivia today. All hole yardages end in 5 or 0.

Do they actually though or is it just the dick heads at Augusta being "different" like calling spectators "patrons".
The championship cards are apparently that way Super; members  play of shorter tees. But I think it is also a Masters "thing"
Maybe it's not so dumb after all; just an acknowledgment that the pretence of knowing a distance to a yard is more or less pointless, even for this level of player.
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