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Post by Duty281 on Wed 04 Nov 2020, 5:17 am

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Well we'll wait and see about Arizona. Pundits seem to think it's a done deal; they don't seem to have considered it's only Election Day votes left to count.

Ohio called, but Texas and Florida not, which is very poor. Iowa should be called soon for Trump. Trump with healthy leads in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania...he needs 'em if Arizona's going blue.

Georgia seems to be faltering for Trump, but he's still ahead for now. North Carolina's probably in recount territory. unless Trump has more votes to secure it.

This mainstream media bias is quite something. Trump 49-48 ahead in Montana, 50% voted...oh yeah, that's too close to call. Trump 50-48 ahead in Virginia, 76% voted....oh yeah, we're calling that for Biden.

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Post by Samo on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 10:11 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:It's almost as if they are counting all the votes and then the person with the most wins - what sort of fair and free election is that!?

Craziness, that'll never get over.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 10:12 am

Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 10:19 am

king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

That's a peach of a comment, k_c.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 10:21 am

king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.
Yeah. Schadenfreude w/ knobs on. What a loser...
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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 10:24 am

Just thinking ahead a little. I read this article yesterday. Wonder what Trump will do next?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 11:02 am

Pal Joey wrote:Just thinking ahead a little. I read this article yesterday. Wonder what Trump will do next?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose

That's a good read. I thought this was well put, regarding the question of whether it would be right to continue to pursue the various federal cases against Trump, if (as seems likely) he loses:

'Ian Bassin, who... worked in the White House counsel’s office under Obama, and now heads the nonprofit group Protect Democracy, said that the impetus is less to punish Trump than to discourage future would-be tyrants. “I think Trump’s a canary in the coal mine,” he told me. “Trump 2.0 is what terrifies me—someone who says, ‘Oh, America is open to a strongman kind of government, but I can do it more competently.’ ”'

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 11:16 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:Just thinking ahead a little. I read this article yesterday. Wonder what Trump will do next?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose

That's a good read. I thought this was well put, regarding the question of whether it would be right to continue to pursue the various federal cases against Trump, if (as seems likely) he loses:

'Ian Bassin, who... worked in the White House counsel’s office under Obama, and now heads the nonprofit group Protect Democracy, said that the impetus is less to punish Trump than to discourage future would-be tyrants. “I think Trump’s a canary in the coal mine,” he told me. “Trump 2.0 is what terrifies me—someone who says, ‘Oh, America is open to a strongman kind of government, but I can do it more competently.’ ”'

Cheers Lucky.

Yes, they'll have to be very careful whichever way they decide to go. They can't afford to discredit the office and they obviously don't want a repeat!

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 11:50 am

The Trump campaign falling out with Fox after them calling Arizona blue whilst Trump was trying to drum up nonsense about mail in fraud in Pennsylvania is a pretty clear sign of how quickly his 'allies' will readily turn on Trump when they feel the wind changing direction.

Trump has about $1bn of debt tied to real estate that has fallen in value due to covid doesn't he?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 11:54 am

It would be fitting if Trump, a man who has spent his life using people and dropping them when they've served their purpose, had the same thing done to him. They never liked you, Donny Dollhands. It is what it is.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 12:00 pm

Biden up in Georgia.

160k mail in ballots still to count in Penn. Biden is averaging 75% of those votes. Trump's lead is down to 18k already.

If Biden takes Georgia and Penn then even with recounts to come I doubt Trump will get much support from the GOP for costly legal battles. Once it's clear he has lost the election they will start distancing themselves from him a lot better than they did when he had coronavirus.

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 12:09 pm

king_carlos wrote:Biden up in Georgia.

160k mail in ballots still to count in Penn. Biden is averaging 75% of those votes. Trump's lead is down to 18k already.

If Biden takes Georgia and Penn then even with recounts to come I doubt Trump will get much support from the GOP for costly legal battles. Once it's clear he has lost the election they will start distancing themselves from him a lot better than they did when he had coronavirus.

Despite Trump's current lead in Penn the democrats are convinced of victory there. The fat lady is warming up.

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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 12:14 pm

Best case scenario for Trump in Penn is he gets in recount range I think
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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:53 pm

Pennsylvania being called for Biden
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:54 pm

GSC wrote:Should be over* today, most networks should call Pennsylvania for Biden when Trump's lead vanishes.

*Then the lawyers get involved.

They should call it today, then the legal battle begins. Trump has fundraised millions upon millions for it. And if it gets as high as the Supreme Court, he has an advantage there.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:55 pm

king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:56 pm

Getting as far as the supreme court might be challenging when his early suits keep getting thrown out due to lack of evidence
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Post by alfie on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:57 pm

Biden takes the lead in Pennsylvania which just about settles everything...

Obviously a lot of votes still to count and some states won't finish today but even miracles aren't saving Trump now. The "Red Mirage" theory that was flagged before the election has proved very much the goods. Pity I'm not a betting man as I could apparently have got good odds a couple of days back Smile

Question now is how the Republicans will deal with this. Will they continue to embrace Trump and his tribe , in hopes of keeping his welded-on supporters for 2024 (with one of his kids maybe running) ?
Or will they take back the party for "normal" political discourse ?

Might be a bit of legal bull and ranting first anyway...

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 1:59 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:Just thinking ahead a little. I read this article yesterday. Wonder what Trump will do next?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose

That's a good read. I thought this was well put, regarding the question of whether it would be right to continue to pursue the various federal cases against Trump, if (as seems likely) he loses:

'Ian Bassin, who... worked in the White House counsel’s office under Obama, and now heads the nonprofit group Protect Democracy, said that the impetus is less to punish Trump than to discourage future would-be tyrants. “I think Trump’s a canary in the coal mine,” he told me. “Trump 2.0 is what terrifies me—someone who says, ‘Oh, America is open to a strongman kind of government, but I can do it more competently.’ ”'

Which is what I've always said. If Trump fails, you'll get someone else along who makes Trump seem like David Gower in comparison.

There's enormous pressure on Harris to make a success of her Presidency, should the Dems win as is now expected, because if she doesn't the Republicans will return with fire and fury in 2024.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:03 pm

alfie wrote:Biden takes the lead in Pennsylvania which just about settles everything...

Obviously a lot of votes still to count and some states won't finish today but even miracles aren't saving Trump now.  The "Red Mirage" theory that was flagged before the election has proved very much the goods. Pity I'm not a betting man as I could apparently have got good odds a couple of days back Smile

Question now is how the Republicans will deal with this. Will they continue to embrace Trump and his tribe , in hopes of keeping his welded-on supporters for 2024 (with one of his kids maybe running) ?
Or will they take back the party for "normal" political discourse ?

Might be a bit of legal bull and ranting first anyway...

There was a red wave. Trump has secured 7m more votes than he did in 2016, and done better than any Republican candidate since 1960 (I think) among non-white voters. He's also done brilliantly with the LGBT voters. It was a drop in support from white men that cost him.

And the blue wave was bigger, ultimately.

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Post by alfie on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:03 pm

Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

I wouldn't assume military votes going overwhelmingly to Trump . As King Carlos flagged , the reported remarks about servicemen may have cost him a fair bit of support in those quarters.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:08 pm

Pal Joey wrote:How's Lola? Smile

I missed this - she's good thanks, now that the fireworks have stopped! Dog

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:12 pm

Duty281 wrote:
GSC wrote:Should be over* today, most networks should call Pennsylvania for Biden when Trump's lead vanishes.

*Then the lawyers get involved.

They should call it today, then the legal battle begins. Trump has fundraised millions upon millions for it. And if it gets as high as the Supreme Court, he has an advantage there.
You think? Decisions are/should be based on the law, not on what Trump wants or thinks his appointees owe him. I hope they have more pride in being the cream of American legal minds than simply as Trump stooges.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:13 pm

Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.


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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:15 pm

alfie wrote:Biden takes the lead in Pennsylvania which just about settles everything...

Obviously a lot of votes still to count and some states won't finish today but even miracles aren't saving Trump now.  The "Red Mirage" theory that was flagged before the election has proved very much the goods. Pity I'm not a betting man as I could apparently have got good odds a couple of days back Smile

Question now is how the Republicans will deal with this. Will they continue to embrace Trump and his tribe , in hopes of keeping his welded-on supporters for 2024 (with one of his kids maybe running) ?
Or will they take back the party for "normal" political discourse ?

Might be a bit of legal bull and ranting first anyway...
Think GOP might dump him. He's a bit too toxic and they haven't seen the expected(?) loses in Senate and House, so Biden won't have it easy. Four years is plenty of time for someone else to carry their torch into next election.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:25 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
GSC wrote:Should be over* today, most networks should call Pennsylvania for Biden when Trump's lead vanishes.

*Then the lawyers get involved.

They should call it today, then the legal battle begins. Trump has fundraised millions upon millions for it. And if it gets as high as the Supreme Court, he has an advantage there.
You think? Decisions are/should be based on the law, not on what Trump wants or thinks his appointees owe him. I hope they have more pride in being the cream of American legal minds than simply as Trump stooges.

They should be, but we know it's political and how politicised the Supreme Court is.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:27 pm

Duty281 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
GSC wrote:Should be over* today, most networks should call Pennsylvania for Biden when Trump's lead vanishes.

*Then the lawyers get involved.

They should call it today, then the legal battle begins. Trump has fundraised millions upon millions for it. And if it gets as high as the Supreme Court, he has an advantage there.
You think? Decisions are/should be based on the law, not on what Trump wants or thinks his appointees owe him. I hope they have more pride in being the cream of American legal minds than simply as Trump stooges.

They should be, but we know it's political and how politicised the Supreme Court is.
Yep. That's a worry, but Trump might be surprised. We'll see...if any of his cases make it that far. He's not started his legal challenges well, but then that's no surprise - too much bluster and not enough attention to detail.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:32 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.

There were two occasions when the vote count had all but been completed in Georgia, over the past two days, with only a few thousand votes left. On both occasions, it turned out there were 'extra' votes that hadn't yet been counted. One instance it was something like 30k, then when that was exhausted, suddenly there were 60k more votes to count. The terminology used by the secretary of state for Georgia was 'extra' and 'outstanding' ballots, hence what I'm referring to.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:40 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.

There were two occasions when the vote count had all but been completed in Georgia, over the past two days, with only a few thousand votes left. On both occasions, it turned out there were 'extra' votes that hadn't yet been counted. One instance it was something like 30k, then when that was exhausted, suddenly there were 60k more votes to count. The terminology used by the secretary of state for Georgia was 'extra' and 'outstanding' ballots, hence what I'm referring to.

If this had happened to Trumps benefit then the internet would be in overload right now.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 2:43 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.

There were two occasions when the vote count had all but been completed in Georgia, over the past two days, with only a few thousand votes left. On both occasions, it turned out there were 'extra' votes that hadn't yet been counted. One instance it was something like 30k, then when that was exhausted, suddenly there were 60k more votes to count. The terminology used by the secretary of state for Georgia was 'extra' and 'outstanding' ballots, hence what I'm referring to.

Gotcha OK

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 3:01 pm

Duty281 wrote:
GSC wrote:Should be over* today, most networks should call Pennsylvania for Biden when Trump's lead vanishes.

*Then the lawyers get involved.

They should call it today, then the legal battle begins. Trump has fundraised millions upon millions for it. And if it gets as high as the Supreme Court, he has an advantage there.

I know he's been fundrasing for this but given the reports on lack of money for the campaign I'd be surprised if its millions upon millions. Given that most of the challenges so far have barely passed 1st base I suspect the money is going to disappear before he gets any traction.

The supreme court may eventually get involved if there are a few hundred votes either way, but they are unlikely to be able to make a difference.

It is not like the democrats didn't expect to see this happen either.

Biggest worry I currently have is if Trump manages to goad any of his supporters into violence. It won't achieve anything but could easily lead to bloodshed

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 3:12 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.

There were two occasions when the vote count had all but been completed in Georgia, over the past two days, with only a few thousand votes left. On both occasions, it turned out there were 'extra' votes that hadn't yet been counted. One instance it was something like 30k, then when that was exhausted, suddenly there were 60k more votes to count. The terminology used by the secretary of state for Georgia was 'extra' and 'outstanding' ballots, hence what I'm referring to.

If this had happened to Trumps benefit then the internet would be in overload right now.
Interested to known who you mean by 'the internet'?

The only voices simultaneously shouting "keep the count" and "stop the count" are Trump supporters. From all other quarters all I've heard is people explaining that all legally cast ballots should be counted in a just election.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 3:29 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Overseas military ballots that the 11th circuit ruled could be received until 5pm Friday and count potentially flipping Georgia is glorious after the disparaging remarks Trump has made about servicemen.

Given my father was in the forces for nearly 40 years and we spent 3 years in Augusta, Georgia that is particularly delicious to me I must say.

These are the votes that may flip Georgia back, as they're expected to lean Rep.

The ones that have already flipped it to Dem. were the extra, extra ones.

There are no 'extra' or 'extra, extra' votes, just votes. Biden's won millions more than Trump, and it looks like he's going to win more in the states where he had to win them.

There were two occasions when the vote count had all but been completed in Georgia, over the past two days, with only a few thousand votes left. On both occasions, it turned out there were 'extra' votes that hadn't yet been counted. One instance it was something like 30k, then when that was exhausted, suddenly there were 60k more votes to count. The terminology used by the secretary of state for Georgia was 'extra' and 'outstanding' ballots, hence what I'm referring to.

If this had happened to Trumps benefit then the internet would be in overload right now.
It didn't, though.
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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 3:50 pm

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Interested to known who you mean by 'the internet'?

The only voices simultaneously shouting "keep the count" and "stop the count" are Trump supporters. From all other quarters all I've heard is people explaining that all legally cast ballots should be counted in a just election.

Were the roles reversed the other quarters would be acting the exact same way, that is the point.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 3:50 pm

Recount in Georgia.

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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:11 pm

Pennsylvania has a automatic recount if it's within half a percentage also I think. Don't think it'll be that close though
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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:15 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
Interested to known who you mean by 'the internet'?

The only voices simultaneously shouting "keep the count" and "stop the count" are Trump supporters. From all other quarters all I've heard is people explaining that all legally cast ballots should be counted in a just election.

Were the roles reversed the other quarters would be acting the exact same way, that is the point.

Not entirely with you on that, only one candidate has spent months trying to delegitimise and suppress postal votes. Trump barely won the last election on squeaking out some key swing states and Hilary conceded on election night.

This isn't a both sides scenario as much as it's a narcissist who can't take losing.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:35 pm

GSC wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
Interested to known who you mean by 'the internet'?

The only voices simultaneously shouting "keep the count" and "stop the count" are Trump supporters. From all other quarters all I've heard is people explaining that all legally cast ballots should be counted in a just election.

Were the roles reversed the other quarters would be acting the exact same way, that is the point.

Not entirely with you on that, only one candidate has spent months trying to delegitimise and suppress postal votes. Trump barely won the last election on squeaking out some key swing states and Hilary conceded on election night.

This isn't a both sides scenario as much as it's a narcissist who can't take losing.
Tend to agree w/ this. While there would be some on the Democrat side who'd no doubt be crying 'unfair', it's hard to think that it would be on the same scale given everything The Orange Fart has been doing to undermine this vote. That said, barring some protests, it doesn't seem as bad as perhaps might have been expected. Barring some utter wingnuts (i.e. driving across state lines in a Humvee w/ weapons) I suspect most will just grudgingly accept this. Doesn't mean it even begins to heal the divisions though. If a Biden administration can make any strides to do that over the next 4 years (assuming confirmed as next POTUS), then he should probably qualify for a Nobel Peace Prize. Will depend on whether GOP Senators etc want to work w/ him too - he claims he was someone w/ the track record of bipartisanship, well now we'll see.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:41 pm

The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.


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Post by GSC on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:42 pm

Biden opens up a 22k lead in Nevada
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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:42 pm

It was reported last week that Biden is talking to a couple of of Republican senators about being in his cabinet. This isn't unusual for either side to do this, although Trump was one of the rare exceptions to this bipartisan approach.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Careful Duty, your colours are showing. Unless you mean the violence perpetrated upon peaceful BLM and antifa marches by white supremacists emboldened by Trump.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:49 pm

GSC wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
Interested to known who you mean by 'the internet'?

The only voices simultaneously shouting "keep the count" and "stop the count" are Trump supporters. From all other quarters all I've heard is people explaining that all legally cast ballots should be counted in a just election.

Were the roles reversed the other quarters would be acting the exact same way, that is the point.

Not entirely with you on that, only one candidate has spent months trying to delegitimise and suppress postal votes. Trump barely won the last election on squeaking out some key swing states and Hilary conceded on election night.

This isn't a both sides scenario as much as it's a narcissist who can't take losing.
Compare and contrast:

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:51 pm

Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Yes, there are undoubtedly some A-holes that march under those banners and don't help the situation. That said, I think you're being disingenuous in deliberately not putting those movements in their proper contexts.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:55 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:It was reported last week that Biden is talking to a couple of of Republican senators about being in his cabinet. This isn't unusual for either side to do this, although Trump was one of the rare exceptions to this bipartisan approach.
Hopefully, they'll be those that still retain the vestiges of a spine. Presume there must be some still around.
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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 4:57 pm

The spine died with McCain, haven't the rest of the republican senators just followed the party line as set out by Trump?

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 5:02 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Careful Duty, your colours are showing. Unless you mean the violence perpetrated upon peaceful BLM and antifa marches by white supremacists emboldened by Trump.

No, I definitely mean the violence instigated by the extremist and violent far-left organisations like BLM and Antifa. We may need see some violence by the extremist and far-right white supremacists after this election, but they tend to be nowhere near as well-organised or mobilised as their extremist counterparts on the left.


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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 5:04 pm

Duty281 wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Careful Duty, your colours are showing. Unless you mean the violence perpetrated upon peaceful BLM and antifa marches by white supremacists emboldened by Trump.

No, I definitely mean the violence instigated by the extremist and violent far-left organisations like BLM and Antifa. We may need some violence by the extremist and far-right white supremacists after this election, but they tend to be nowhere near as well-organised or mobilised as their extremist counterparts on the left.
Presume you mean 'We may see some violence...' ?
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 5:13 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Careful Duty, your colours are showing. Unless you mean the violence perpetrated upon peaceful BLM and antifa marches by white supremacists emboldened by Trump.

No, I definitely mean the violence instigated by the extremist and violent far-left organisations like BLM and Antifa. We may need some violence by the extremist and far-right white supremacists after this election, but they tend to be nowhere near as well-organised or mobilised as their extremist counterparts on the left.
Presume you mean 'We may see some violence...' ?

Laugh Laugh

Oh, that's an error and a half. Yes, I did indeed mean 'see' not 'need'.

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Post by dummy_half on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 5:20 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:The spine died with McCain, haven't the rest of the republican senators just followed the party line as set out by Trump?

With the exception of Mitt Romney, who was the only Rep Senator to vote for Trump's impeachment. A few others made noise about it but ended up toeing the party line.

Romney is one of the people who has apparently been vetted by the Biden team. Got to remember that Biden is a moderate (in the UK he could be at the centrist end of the Conservatives) rather than the lefty radical that Trump has sometimes tried to paint him, so having some cross party cooperation wouldn't be a bad thing especially in positions relating to the ecomony, where the difference between moderate Democrats and Republicans is narrow.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 06 Nov 2020, 5:20 pm

Duty281 wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:The one advantage of Biden winning is we won't see the violent BLM and Antifa organisations rioting and looting and burning things down. I think any Republican protests will be incredibly small.
Careful Duty, your colours are showing. Unless you mean the violence perpetrated upon peaceful BLM and antifa marches by white supremacists emboldened by Trump.

No, I definitely mean the violence instigated by the extremist and violent far-left organisations like BLM and Antifa. We may need see some violence by the extremist and far-right white supremacists after this election, but they tend to be nowhere near as well-organised or mobilised as their extremist counterparts on the left.

You've never seen any of the reports of the armed right-wing militia groups? Odd, considering you usually keep abreast of such things.

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