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Post by Just John Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:33 pm

First topic message reminder :

The season opening Australian Grand Prix & the Chinese Grand Prix have been postponed.

Bahrain Grand Prix on the 28th March to be the first race of the 2021 season.

Formula 1 to revert to 2pm race start times at European races this year.

F1 practice sessions will be shortened to one hour during Fridays across the 2021 season.

Cognizant have been announced as Aston Martin’s new title sponsor. They will be called ‘Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team’.

Alex Albon will drive in DTM this season, on selected race weekends

Lando Norris has confirmed he has contracted Covid, while staying in, Dubai.


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Post by dyrewolfe Sat May 01, 2021 6:13 pm

I kind of agree with John that sprint races are a very gimmicky American thing and if it wasn't for the fact that current quali format is pretty boring and frequently predictable, I'd be against them.

But at this point, I'm at least open to the idea of seeing how they work in F1.

As to Bertie's point about them leaving less time for testing and setting the cars up...that could actually make things more interesting.

Again it is a very gimmicky way of doing it, but F1 teams are so well drilled at analysis, fault-finding and fixing issues, that this could be the only way to take them out of their comfort zone.

Back to tomorrow's race, Bottas managed to squeak pole by a few thousandths, but you can bet your house he won't stay in front very long. With Lewis and Max behind him, he'll probably be 3rd by the end of lap 1.

Expect Hamilton & Verstappen to pick up where they left off. Perez will likely end up in a race of his own and finish where he starts (4th).

Could be an interesting scrap between Ocon, Sainz and Norris for 5th to 7th.

Shock of the day has to be Vettel qualifying in the top 10, taking Stroll's usual spot. Could this be the start of Seb's comeback? Shocked
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Post by GSC Sat May 01, 2021 7:00 pm

If F1 teams can give reserve drivers entire practice sessions they don't need 3 sessions
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat May 01, 2021 10:27 pm

GSC wrote:Could be entertaining, if not it won't be back again next year. Qualifying isn't particularly exciting beyond the last 30 seconds anyway, I don't see the harm in trying new ideas

Totally agree - if it doesn’t work they’ll just bin it off, I’m kinda intrigued by the idea and concept. Not sure they’ve nailed it with how they’re actually going to go about it mind
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Post by Just John Sun May 02, 2021 9:20 am

Agree with Verstappen. Purely a money making idea, which increases the quantity of bad racing, not the quality.

Fear it will showcase how the Sunday race will pan out, how much overtaking will happen, and the general competitiveness and order of the cars. Will ultimately take away the excitement of the traditional Sunday race, as people will have already seen how the action will generally unfold.

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Post by GSC Sun May 02, 2021 11:20 am

I mean, red bull and mercedes occupied the top 4 in quali too
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 02, 2021 11:44 am

Just John wrote:Agree with Verstappen. Purely a money making idea, which increases the quantity of bad racing, not the quality.

Fear it will showcase how the Sunday race will pan out, how much overtaking will happen, and the general competitiveness and order of the cars. Will ultimately take away the excitement of the traditional Sunday race, as people will have already seen how the action will generally unfold.

Thats largely because they got the distance / format wrong IMO. 1/3 race distance or 100km is not a "sprint race" IMO. It also means the number of laps can vary from track to track.

What they should have done is make them 10-15 laps maximum, regardless of actual distance. This would better emulate the final stint of a GP, allow the cars to have low fuel and push their tyres harder.

As it is, I think 100km is just long enough for fuel and tyre management to play a part...meaning a processional stint of the race will be necessary. If it does pan out this way, as GSC said they will probably can the idea. Or at least tweak it and shorten the distance.
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Post by No name Bertie Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm

I don't know what the conditions will be for the race but drivers have been complaining Friday and Saturday about the track surface not providing them with much grip coupled with the impact of having gusty conditions.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 02, 2021 4:49 pm

Welp. Not a classic by any means.

Good start by Bottas and lead the first stint. Managed the restart well after the SC for Raikkonen, but ultimately couldn't keep Lewis behind him. Also not helped by a slow pit stop which allowed Verstappen to get the run on him. At least picked up fastest lap to go with his 3rd place, after a late pits top for soft tyres. Max tried the same tactic but had his time deleted for track limits.

Lewis again doing what he does. Stuck with his team mate early on, lost a place when Verstappen reacted better after the SC ended, but as always made sure he was there to take advantage when the time came. Couple of nice overtakes on Valtteri and Max. otherwise a solid if unspectacular drive to finish top of the podium again.

Decent drive by Perez...ended up leading for a good few laps, but ultimately had to settle for 4th, following a very late stop.

Norris again best of the rest. Leclerc delivering another respectable result for Ferrari.

Alpine surprisingly strong here - 7th and 8th for Ocon and Alonso. Is this a one-off...does this track just suit them?
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Post by GSC Sun May 02, 2021 5:02 pm

Red Bull thought this would be a mercedes track and so it proved. In the end a reasonable result for Max to beat Bottas and limit the damage.

As for Bottas though, yikes... This is a very tame surrender of his seat
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun May 02, 2021 7:52 pm

As GSC said this was a Mercedes track and Hamilton won. No surprise really. Red Bull, like Ferrari in 2017-18, aren’t as good on the hard compound. Whenever those tyres are used Mercedes will be favourites. Barcelona should suit Red Bull more.
Pretty boring race overall but that’s to be expected as not every race can be a barnstormer.
I miss Alonso at Ferrari...
Mazepin needs to be sacked he’s literally the worst I’ve ever seen. Heck he literally robbed Callum Illot of a seat.

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Post by dyrewolfe Mon May 03, 2021 8:50 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:As GSC said this was a Mercedes track and Hamilton won. No surprise really. Red Bull, like Ferrari in 2017-18, aren’t as good on the hard compound. Whenever those tyres are used Mercedes will be favourites. Barcelona should suit Red Bull more.
Pretty boring race overall but that’s to be expected as not every race can be a barnstormer.
I miss Alonso at Ferrari...
Mazepin needs to be sacked he’s literally the worst I’ve ever seen. Heck he literally robbed Callum Illot of a seat.

Can barely keep his car on the track, finished about a minute behind Schumacher and ignored loads of blue flags. He really has no business being in F1. Terrible advertisement for pay drivers.


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As for Bottas though, yikes... This is a very tame surrender of his seat

I'd hardly call it that. He simply isn't as good as Lewis or Max. Doesn't make him a bad driver...just that he can't hang with the best.

His pit stop was nearly a second slower than Lewis' - which could have made the difference in staying ahead of Max long enough to get his tyres up to temp. He also had issues with his powertrain which cost him about 4-5 seconds and basically ended his chances of getting 2nd.

Factor that in and this was easily his best result of the season so far, after finishing over half a minute behind Lewis in Bahrain and his DNF at Imola.
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Post by No name Bertie Mon May 03, 2021 1:14 pm

Rumour has it the only reason Haas are still going this year is because of Mazepin Senior bankrolling them - so without Mazepin there may not have been a Haas team competing in this seasons Championship.   They certainly made big changes getting rid of two experienced drivers for two rookies - one with a name and Ferrari backing and the other with a very wealthy father.  The issue with Mazepin is that he looks to be embarrassing the sport (and hence his father) with his poor start to the season.

Some say in future there may be more pay seat drivers.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Mon May 03, 2021 2:01 pm

Dmitry Mazepin is looking to acquire Haas, he’s already made a deal with Renault to use their engines

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Post by dyrewolfe Tue May 04, 2021 11:49 am

Hmph. Another wealthy dilettante with more money than he knows what to do with.

I don't see swapping Ferrari engines for Renault helping them much...especially with the drivers they have. What they should be spending money on is the engineering department, getting together teams that can design a competitive chassis and aero package.

If it does happen, I'd put money on Mazepin going the same way as Haas after a few years. Pouring money in for little or no return on his investment.

I'm actually surprised Haas haven't made a better go of F1, given their background in US motorsport.

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Some say in future there may be more pay seat drivers.

I'm really hoping the cost caps being introduced will make that unnecessary. Its one thing when a driver with some talent brings a lot of sponsorship with them, but when rich dads start buying seats for their kids, so they can pretend to be racing drivers, that really is sounding the death knell of F1.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Wed May 05, 2021 9:44 am

Romain Grosjean will get a final F1 outing in Lewis Hamilton’s championship winning car at Paul Ricard. Really cool from Mercedes to give the Frenchman that opportunity. Pretty sad that neither Alpine or Haas offered Grosjean the opportunity.

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Post by Just John Sat May 08, 2021 7:30 pm

💯 poles for LH clap

Verstappen 2nd and Bottas 3rd. Ocon done a good job to get fifth. Signs age might of caught up with Alonso, from what I’ve seen so far.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 am

Another milestone racked up for LH. I know lots of people thought Schumacher's records would never be broken, but I think it will be a long time before anyone even gets close to Lewis.

Max seems to like Barcelona...its where he got his maiden win. Hopefully he'll give Lewis a tough race.

Not a great quali session for Perez, but I expect him to make up a few places.

Bottas looking set for another quiet race on his own.

McLaren uncharacteristically slow. Maybe they'll have better race pace?

Alpine looking unusually quick - great job by Ocon to get 5th...though I think he'll struggle to stay there. Alonso looking off the pace, but its still progress to get into Q3.
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Post by No name Bertie Sun May 09, 2021 11:14 am

Wasn't Perez' best qualifying but he complained of being physically unwell during it. He was brought in to help Verstappen and Red Bull get closer to the titles. Leclerc and Ocon finishing 4th and 5th in qualifying were notable but there was a large gap between the top three and the rest.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 09, 2021 3:52 pm

Ah, poor Max. What do he and Red Bull have to do to get a win?

Brilliant dive past Lewis at the start and led the majority of the race, but Mercedes were very canny with their strategy. I think they fooled RB into thinking they were only going to 1-stop, then sacrificed the lead to put Hamilton on fresher tyres, which allowed him to catch Verstappen hand over fist in the closing stages.

RB kept Max out, so he had no tyres to defend the lead at the end and despite leading just 12 laps of the race, Hamilton was in front at the chequered flag. Must've been awful for Max, judging from his message to the pits, he knew what was coming, long before it happened. At least he got fastest lap to go with his 2nd place (thanks to another late stop).

Have to take your hat off to Mercedes. Even when they're on the back foot, they manage to find ways to win.

Another anonymous race for Bottas, aside from what looked like a display of petulance, forcing Hamilton to make a proper overtake, rather than letting him past. I'm guessing Valtteri knows his time is running out and he just doesn't care anymore...or want to be the dutiful wingman.

Great drive by Leclerc. Surprised he managed to keep his Ferrari 4th.

Some decent midfield tussles, but other than that, not a hugely memorable race.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun May 09, 2021 5:10 pm

Yeah Bottas is just playing out his rope at this point - it's pretty disappointing that Perez hasn't been able to challenge him, he's been the biggest disappointment of the season so far.

Not a great deal else this weekend, Schumacher had a good weekend in the Haas I thought
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Post by Just John Sun May 09, 2021 8:27 pm

The Hamilton/Mercedes package is just mighty together. Superb drive.

Verstappen/RB now know the scale of the task ahead.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:it's pretty disappointing that Perez hasn't been able to challenge him, he's been the biggest disappointment of the season so far

Not surprised really. Both Verstappen and Hamilton know how important this year is, and they’ve both taken their levels, to even greater heights. Therefore, there’s no surprise Perez and Bottas are miles behind. Both B seats at Merc/RB are poison chalices, whoever goes in there.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Not a great deal else this weekend

Yep, not much really happening elsewhere. Alonso & Vettel being bent over by their teammates is a bit sad to watch. Both look shot.

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