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Post by BigGee Sun 31 Jan 2021, 9:04 am

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England v Scotland
The Calcutta Cup

Twickenham Stadium
London

Saturday 6th February 2021
KO 16.45


Well here we go for a 6n opener.

It is going to be a slightly odd one no doubt, playing this game in an empty stadium. It has been said in the past that Twickenham lacks atmosphere a bit, but we won't have seen anything on this scale.

As usual, it will be England's game to lose. Twickenham has been a graveyard for Scottish sides for a long long time. In terms of hope though for us Scots, the last few games have been a lot closer than usual and who can forget the madness of the last time out, the ultimate game of two halves.

England are missing a few players and there has to be some questions about the match prep of some of the Saracens players, who have not played since the autumn. How they get on in this game will be the great question mark hanging over this game and may set the tone for England over the entire championship. I would imagine Scotland will be pleased to be playing them first up in all honesty.

On the other hand, do Scotland, who with Finn Russell back and pulling the strings and looking a stronger proposition than in the autumn, really believe that they can win in London. They are also largely injury free. It would be a massive step forward for them as a team if they could do that. It remains unclear though and the smart money is still going to be on an England win, albeit likely a scrappy one.


Here is my stab at the Scotland team:

1. Sutherland
2. Turner
3. Fagerson Z
4. Cummings
5. Gray J
6. Ritchie - If fit, but Toonie making promising noises on that front
7. Watson
8. Fagerson M
9. Price
10. Russell
11. Maitland
12. Redpath - I think Toonie will roll the dice
13. Harris
14. VDM
15. Hogg

Subs

Keeble
Cherry
Nel
Gray R
Graham -might have been in the side if not playing this sunday
Steele
VDW
Jones H


The big calls for Toonie are at 12 and No.8

Redpath looks ready and I think he should play him. Graham might have to wait a week, as i think playing today might well count against him, so let Matt Fagerson have the first bite of the cherry.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:21 pm

Good strong finish, considering he was given the pass too early.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:21 pm

Scotland are making the plays. England are not. England need to pull their heads out or this will be a long afternoon. This Scotland team won't give anything up.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:24 pm

Scotland will be peeved should it be this scoreline difference come half time. Cant imagine we will play this badly 2nd half.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:26 pm

Even more so now. Nice by youngs.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:26 pm

A Russell/Redpath/Jones midfield would look very tasty.

Redpath looking assured at this level
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:27 pm

Russell oh dear.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:27 pm

Jeez Russell. What are you thinking???
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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:27 pm

Agree on the finish being strong Duhan. Daly will get stick because that's in vogue but the only England back three player who stops Duhan there is probably Nowell.

England sticking with their habit of clinging in there whilst playing badly.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:28 pm

So silly by Russell when playing well. Just absolutely no need at all. He was having an excellent game.

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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:28 pm

Stupid by Finn

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:29 pm

Braindead. I thought most deliberate trips were red, no?

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:30 pm

Why didn't England go for the corner there?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:31 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Braindead. I thought most deliberate trips were red, no?

Normally yellow.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:31 pm

England will win. For all of Scotland's energy they are barely ahead

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm

Summary so far

1. England are rusty as hell
2. Ali price is rotten
3. Finn is still prone to rushes of blood to the head
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Post by Scottrf Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm

Two points after that half suggests England will coast it IMO.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm

Jones earns his pay here. 3 obvious ones lawes, robson and earl for vunipola. Harsh to yank any of the other back row as they've had sod all to work with.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Why didn't England go for the corner there?
I'm usually a "go for the corner" fan but think Faz made the right call there.

6-8 at half time with Scotland a man down for 8 minutes after a terrible half. I'll take that on balance.

England can hit Scotland hard with Finn off the pitch then start bringing the subs on. I expect Cowan-Dickie, Lawes, Earl and Ford to come on fairly early.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:33 pm

Containing the recent theme of Scotland not being able to make possession count and come away with points. Lineout much improved, Turner is playing well and Redpath looks to the manor born and far more productive than Harris. Just feels like we’ve failed to take our chance and England are getting into their stride now

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Post by jimbopip Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:33 pm

Well, so far Turner is in the running for MOM for me. Russell and Hogg contrived to give England 3 points and a yellow card advantage.
Scotland need to see out the next ten minutes without falling behind.
Billy V doesn't look as if he spent Lockdown on the sofa: he looks like he ate the sofa.
Itoji is the best England player by a country mile.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:34 pm

Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:34 pm

lostinwales wrote:England will win. For all of Scotland's energy they are barely ahead

Agreed. Scotland should have put at least a 14 point lead on the scoreboard after England's woeful opening thirty minutes. England won't be that poor in the second half, and they have the much stronger bench.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:37 pm

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Post by TJ Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:39 pm

the only England back three player who stops Duhan there is probably Nowell.


Not a chance - he takes 3 to stop him. took three men there and he still got it down

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:39 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
Wilson to 8?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:40 pm

I think Wilkinson's summary is fair. Youngs cant be experienced to choose who to pass to when there are 3 players to choose from. You need to give him and scottish defence one clear option. Ffs.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:40 pm

TJ wrote:
the only England back three player who stops Duhan there is probably Nowell.


Not a chance - he takes 3 to stop him. took three men there and he still got it down

Brown stops him there. Any decent full back tbf.

Steward drives him about 5 meters back.


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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:42 pm

Get LCD on...George has given up 2 crucial line outs in the Scottish 22...can't afford that

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Post by Scottrf Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:42 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:I think Wilkinson's summary is fair. Youngs cant be experienced to choose who to pass to when there are 3 players to choose from. You need to give him and scottish defence one clear option. Ffs.
Other than the airball I think he’s been alright. But yeah difficult for him with some many options within 3m of each other.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:43 pm

England are a little rusty at the moment. far too many penalties as well.

U do ex[ect Emglamd tp bounce back in the second half, but no more penalties please/

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:44 pm

He has been better than he has Scott but that was obviously dripping in sarcasm and I hope your comment was too. If he cant pick a pass there he shouldn't be near the team.

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Post by TJ Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:44 pm

7 1/2 I take it you don't watch pro 14 rugby? Duhan is almost never stopped by the first tackler - even when he hits forwards.

He is very powerful and fast.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:44 pm

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:45 pm

TJ wrote:7 1/2 I take it you don't watch pro 14 rugby? Duhan is almost never stopped by the first tackler - even when he hits forwards.

He is very powerful and fast.

Watch bits and bats but hat attempt by Daly was woeful. And steward is kinda useful.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:45 pm

Big half.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:47 pm

Awful by youngs.
Ffs

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Post by Scottrf Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:48 pm

Praise for Itoje but charge downs aside he’s been a liability imo. Looks slow too.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:48 pm

Lawrence and Watson no carries in the first half. Shocking.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:49 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
Wilson to 8?

Yes.

What is the point of Young's?
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:50 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
Wilson to 8?

Yes.

What is the point of Young's?
At the moment? Nothing.

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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:51 pm

We have the ball and decide to kick it away...do we think we're at a defence practice session???

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:52 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
Wilson to 8?

Yes.

What is the point of Young's?
At the moment?  Nothing.

Here’s there to give us a chance when we are playing price
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:53 pm

tigertattie wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Get Billy off and Lawes on, lineout needs fixing.

Shocking so far Eddie.
Wilson to 8?

Yes.

What is the point of Young's?
At the moment?  Nothing.

Here’s there to give us a chance when we are playing price
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Post by Scottrf Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:54 pm

How are the attacking team allowed to go straight into their hands on a ruck but defending team isn’t. Impossible to compete.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:55 pm

The second half is starting right where the first half ended with Scotland doing very well. The sign of lunacy is to continue doing the same thing and expect different results. Time to bring on the replacements asap. Billy V. (aka Billy Cheeseburger) still has a clean jersey.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:55 pm

England just look knackered
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:55 pm

Youngs and Farrell having shockers.....yet again. Starting to become a regular thing this

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Post by Scottrf Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:55 pm

He clapped with his tackling hands...

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:57 pm

If I were Scotland, I would have gone for the corner. They are pushing England around...

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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 06 Feb 2021, 5:59 pm

Why can we not stop kicking directly to them???? We're not even getting a chance to compete....to quote Dr Geller..."this is not good for my rage"

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