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Post by neilthom7 Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:06 pm

First topic message reminder :

Thought it was time for an update on the thread so this is the new all things Ulster thread.


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Post by scrummy Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:22 pm

I hope you guys are right about Lyttle and he plays a blinder this evening. I agree he's a good finisher but I must confess I'm not a big Lyttle fan. I get the impression he's happy to stand off and let others tackle when he can. He doesn't seem to relish the defensive part while someone like Baloucoune is putting in some great tackles. I insist, I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. Let's see.

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Post by Unclear Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:39 pm

That's not my impression scrummy, but we all see different things and have different views, and that's fine:hug: For me he is a better defender than Gilroy, Sexton and Moxham, but that's not exactly the same as him being an impassable brick wall Smile. Gilroy seems past his best to me, Sexton has a long way to go, not sure on Moxham. I have no confidence in Addison's long term fitness unfortunately, so I think there will be room in the squad.

Anyway let's all agree we want to see some great tries this evening (from Ulster!).

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Post by neilthom7 Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:23 pm

Ulster have confirmed the signing of Rory Sutherland to end of season. Also strongly hinted in the same article on their website that Kitschoff will be joining after world cup too.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:43 pm

An easy win, in truth too easy.

Forwards were, on the whole good but worrying signs at prop for me.
EOS is going backwards, Moore off again and O'Toole is not kicking on.
Vermuelen and Timoney in tandem were excellent.
Timoney is now a thoroughbred and at International standard.
Murphy looks like a player ready to retire, bit like Reidy last year.
In fairness Carter had a very good game - credit where it is due.

In the backs both Madigan and Burns going off injured is a worry.
McCloskey and Marshall were superb.
With Hume coming back - interesting.

Lyttle put the debate about his defense as opposed to Gilroy and Sexton to bed.
He was good by contrast Gilroy defensively is a complete liability and Sexton remains a revolving door.

Lyttle is better in attack, in defense and as a kicker than the other two.

Overall though I was bit bored to be honest the opposition were beyond inept and we didn't need to
get out of second gear, in the second half to coast home.
We even played roulette with out backs to get Lowry game time at 10.
A 9 on the wing, a wing at 15, a wing in the centre.
You can only do that when the opposition is so poor you dont have to take them seriously

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:45 pm

BAD NEWS

Addison had a second operation last month.
Will not be back this side of New Year for sure.

I think he is finished.

We simple cannot give a contract to a player who has started one game since the start of last season.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:15 pm

Sutherland announced to the end of the season.

Kitshoff all but announced as on a 3 year deal starting after the World Cup.

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Post by Maine man Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:BAD NEWS

Addison had a second operation last month.
Will not be back this side of New Year for sure.

I think he is finished.

We simple cannot give a contract to a player who has started one game since the start of last season.

That is bad news. Addison when fit is absolute quality but he never is. Such a shame.

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Post by Pete330v2 Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:34 am

geoff999rugby wrote:BAD NEWS

Addison had a second operation last month.
Will not be back this side of New Year for sure.

I think he is finished.

We simple cannot give a contract to a player who has started one game since the start of last season.

I would have off-loaded him some time ago as brutal as it may sound but this is a business and money can't be wasted. He's a game changing player with quality oozing from every pore but not from the physio suite.

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Post by clivemcl Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:39 am

Anyone remember when he put that post on social media about his 'comeback' and then it never happened. Obviously he must have had a further set back or something without even having played.

If a player gets hurt/re-injured in his own time - can the club take any action against them?

Not suggesting he did by the way - but it's a rabbit Hoel my brain has gone done.

Can the club tell players not to play five-a-side or skateboard for example?

A lot of money and medical treatment being paid out for not much in return.

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Post by geoff999rugby Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:16 pm

clivemcl wrote:

If a player gets hurt/re-injured in his own time - can the club take any action against them?

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Unless it is an overtly dangerous activity the answer is no and as far as I am aware this does not apply to Addison anyway.

Addison is saying he will be back for Zebre, I have been told this is very optimistic and it will be longer.

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Post by neilthom7 Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:11 pm

Marty Moore is concussed and wont travel to South Africa, Treadwell hurt in training and wont be avaiable either, Madigan to have an MRI scan on his knee (how unlucky was that btw, his own players falling into him, freak accident)

On a happier note the Emerging Ireland players should be available again and Sutherland will travel to South Africa with the squad too.

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Post by geoff999rugby Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:40 pm

Timoney and Herring signed until 2025

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Post by clivemcl Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:24 pm

Likely some tough negotiating there re Herring. I mean, an international hooker, but also a good few young hookers putting pressure on. He's done well there I'd say to get that length of contract extension.

Great news on Timoney.

On that note, does anyone know if there is a way to watch the Ireland A game?
Virgin media? Can we even get that? Can you pay to watch? I'm guessing not.

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Post by neilthom7 Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:00 pm

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1588221290749591556

Yeah it can be watched in NI via their online player

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Post by geoff999rugby Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:34 pm

Stewart, Treadwell and Izzy all signed to 2026

Time to redo the full list

Great the key signings getting done early

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Post by geoff999rugby Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:43 pm

2023

LHP - Andrew Warwick,Callum Reid, Eric O'Sullivan
Hooker – John Andrew
THP - Gareth Milasinovich, Jeffrety Toomunga-Allen
Lock - Alan O’Connor, Sam Carter, Iain Henderson, Frank Bradshaw
Backrow - David McCann, Duane Vermeulen, Jordi Murphy, Sean Reffell, Marcus Rea, Greg Jones
SH - John Cooney, David Shanahan
10 - Ian Madigan, Jake Flannery
Centre - Luke Marshall, Angus Curtis
Back 3 Player - Rob Lyttle, Jacob Stockdale, Aaron Sexton,  Will Addison , Craig Gilroy, Ben Moxham, Shea O'Brien (development contract 22/23)

2024

Hooker - Declan Moore
THP - Tom O’Toole, Marty Moore
Backrow - Matthew Rea
10 – Billy Burns
Centre - James Hume

2025

Hooker - Rob Herring
Backrow - Nick Timoney
Centre – Stuart McCloskey, Stewart Moore
Back 3 Player – Ethan McIlroy, Robert Baloucoune
10/15 - Michael Lowry

2026

Hooker - Tom Stewart
Lock - Cormac Izuchukwu, Kieran Treadwell
SH – Nathan Doak
Centre - Jude Postlethwaite (development contract 22/23)

Those in RED are the ones to look out for

The rest are either definitely leaving, out of our hands (Henderson, Stockdale) or would be not be a critical loss

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Post by Maine man Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:47 pm

Confirmed that Kitshoff is joining up after the World Cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63570869


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Post by geoff999rugby Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:07 pm

O'Connor and Marcus Rea till 2025

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Post by geoff999rugby Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:09 pm

Of those outstanding I see no reason to delay Marshall, Reid, McCann, Andrew or Warwick
I expect all of those to be announced soon


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Post by Maine man Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:50 pm

Ulster's team for the weekend

Ulster: Stewart Moore; McIlroy, Hume, Marshall, Stockdale; Flannery, Doak; Reid, Stewart, Marty Moore; Izuchukwu, Carter; Matty Rea, Marcus Rea, Vermeulen (capt).

Replacements: Andrew, Warwick, Toomaga-Allen, Henderson, McCann, McDonald, Curtis, Moxham.

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Post by carpet baboon Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:58 pm

So Curtis is covering 10, or Doak?

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Post by neilthom7 Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:10 pm

Could do either or depending on situation although I assume they would prefer Curtis maybe?

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Post by Kingshu Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:03 pm

I think Doak, think when Doak finished a game at OH, Curtis was on the bench. Think Doak is higher in the OH pecking order and Curtis is now primarily a centre and very low is the covering OH order.

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Post by neilthom7 Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:56 pm

O'Sullivan back in training for Ulster. Toomaga-Allen due to have MRI on the ankle injury he got subbed for.

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Post by neilthom7 Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:27 pm

Cooney talking about switching to Scotland https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63811086

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Post by Unclear Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:18 pm

neilthom7 wrote:Cooney talking about switching to Scotland https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63811086

I've just seen that. I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity, particularly for the World Cup, but I can't really see Scotland coming calling in all seriousness. I think our Scottish fellow posters aren't overly convinced given his age and a number of other options, but who knows? Perhaps he has a better chance as a coach for either England or Wales laughing

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Post by clivemcl Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:37 pm

Cooney, at his best would definitely make a Scotland World Cup squad in my opinion.
But in saying that, I've also felt he has merited inclusion with Ireland over the last two years, so you just never know what way coaches view certain players.
Given it will be the World Cup, and then not much of an international career thereafter... I can only see Scotland going with it if they had a few injuries to their eligible scrum halves.

But I agree, I wouldn't begrudge him.

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Post by Oakdene Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:21 am

I've always thought he has been unlucky with Ireland as he has always been a pain in our, the Scarlets, backside over the years!

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Post by clivemcl Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:30 am

Ulster Rugby: We’d really like to re-sign Pienaar
IRFU: No!
Ulster Rugby: But why?
IRFU: We need to more Irish scrum halves getting game time
Ulster Rugby: We don’t think Marshal or Shanahan are good enough, do you?
IRFU: Agreed, but here, take this Cooney chap, we think he could be very good!
Ulster Rugby: Wow! You’re right, he is very good!
IRFU: Our plan worked!
Ulster Rugby: So when do Ireland want to use him then?
IRFU: Oh… umm… na… we don’t need him…

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Post by Pete330v2 Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:07 am

clivemcl wrote:Ulster Rugby: We’d really like to re-sign Pienaar
IRFU: No!
Ulster Rugby: But why?
IRFU: We need to more Irish scrum halves getting game time
Ulster Rugby: We don’t think Marshal or Shanahan are good enough, do you?
IRFU: Agreed, but here, take this Cooney chap, we think he could be very good!
Ulster Rugby: Wow! You’re right, he is very good!
IRFU: Our plan worked!
Ulster Rugby: So when do Ireland want to use him then?
IRFU: Oh… umm… na… we don’t need him…

That pretty much sums the whole saga up Clive.
It's a complete head scratcher that Casey gets called up before Cooney. Casey is as much out of his depth internationally as he would be in deep end of a swimming pool. Cooney has proven himself to be an excellent player who comes with a play maker role as well as being the slot machine goal kicker that he is. What a shame he's been shafted but it's a common trait of the IRFU to shaft Ulster 9's.

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Post by Kingshu Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:45 pm

clivemcl wrote:Ulster Rugby: We’d really like to re-sign Pienaar
IRFU: No!
Ulster Rugby: But why?
IRFU: We need to more Irish scrum halves getting game time
Ulster Rugby: We don’t think Marshal or Shanahan are good enough, do you?
IRFU: Agreed, but here, take this Cooney chap, we think he could be very good!
Ulster Rugby: Wow! You’re right, he is very good!
IRFU: Our plan worked!
Ulster Rugby: So when do Ireland want to use him then?
IRFU: Oh… umm… na… we don’t need him…

Pretty much correct except the IRFU did not plan or expect the Cooney move. IRFU's plan was to refuse Pienaar and leave Ulster in the lurch, they had no plan in place, the great hope for SH not at a province was Hart playing in France, but he had already signed a contract to move to Munster. The IRFU just planned to leave Ulster with Marshall. They wouldnt have left Munster or Leinster in a hole like that. Ulster just got luckly that Cooney helped make the move himself and proved so good, wasn't the IRFUs brillant plan, it was just pure luck for Ulster, could have been very bad times for Ulster if Cooney didn't move.

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Post by Kingshu Yesterday at 1:09 pm

Ulster team to play Leinster, BKT United Rugby Championship Round 9, Saturday 3 December at RDS Arena (KO 7 35pm), live on TG4, Viaplay & URC.tv.

(15-9): Michael Lowry, Ethan McIlroy, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Stewart Moore, Billy Burns, John Cooney;

(1-8): Andy Warwick, Tom Stewart, Marty Moore, Alan O’Connor, Kieran Treadwell, Iain Henderson (Captain), Marcus Rea, Nick Timoney.

Replacements: Rob Herring, Callum Reid, Tom O’Toole, Sam Carter, Duane Vermeulen, Nathan Doak, Jacob Stockdale, Matty Rea.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Yesterday at 1:53 pm

Kingshu wrote:Ulster team to play Leinster, BKT United Rugby Championship Round 9, Saturday 3 December at RDS Arena (KO 7 35pm), live on TG4, Viaplay & URC.tv.

(15-9): Michael Lowry, Ethan McIlroy, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Stewart Moore, Billy Burns, John Cooney;

(1-8): Andy Warwick, Tom Stewart, Marty Moore, Alan O’Connor, Kieran Treadwell, Iain Henderson (Captain), Marcus Rea, Nick Timoney.

Replacements: Rob Herring, Callum Reid, Tom O’Toole, Sam Carter, Duane Vermeulen, Nathan Doak, Jacob Stockdale, Matty Rea.
Strange selection in the backrow, that could cost yous.

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Post by Kingshu Yesterday at 3:29 pm

I don't know, its a bit left field but that may surprise Leinster, Henderson played backrow a good bit, but hasnt in years, 3 line out jumpers and lots of weight behind the scrum may be a masterstroke I think Timoney is best at 8, and DV to come off the bench. Extra forward on bench too, with Lowry/Doak covering OH. Its a bold move by DMcF, hope it pays off.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Yesterday at 5:25 pm

Kingshu wrote:I don't know, its a bit left field but that may surprise Leinster, Henderson played backrow a good bit, but hasnt  in years, 3 line out jumpers and lots of weight behind the scrum may be a masterstroke  I think Timoney is best at 8, and DV to come off the bench. Extra forward on bench too, with Lowry/Doak covering OH. Its a bold move by DMcF, hope it pays off.
I don't think it'll work but happy to be proven wrong. Very interested in seeing how Marty gets on, I really think he still has a place in that Ireland squad. On another note the big games just keep on coming and more strong teams named from both sides. The standard of the league has been something else this year.

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Post by neilthom7 Yesterday at 8:23 pm

They may be thinking they need an extra lineout jumper in there hence Hendo in back row. It's a bold move alright but that is what Dan is paid for.

There's very few gimme games in the league anymore, the South African's have forced teams to get better if they want to make the money of Champions Cup etc

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