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Post by TightHEAD Mon 08 Feb 2021, 10:58 am

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ENGLAND vs ITALY - 13/02/21

Kick off - HQ - 14:15

England need to bounce back well, good time for Italy to turn up and disrupt their plans as best they can.

Line ups

England: Daly; Watson, Slade, Farrell,May; Ford, Youngs (Mr Untouchable); M Vunipola, Cowan-Dickie, Sinckler, Itoje, Hill, Lawes, Curry, B Vunipola??.

Replacements: George, Genge, Stuart, Ewels, Earl, Willis, Robson, Malins.

Italy: Trulla; Sperandio, Brex, Canna, Ioane; Garbisi, Varney; Lovotti, Bigi (capt), Riccioni, Lazzaroni, Sisi, Negri, Meyer, Lamaro.

Replacements: Lucchesi, Fischetti, Zilocchi, Cannone, Ruzza, Palazzani, Allan, Mori.


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Post by tigertattie Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:49 pm

BigGee wrote:Italy running out of gas now

I didn’t think they would manage to stay in it. England are just to big and physical compared to a young Italy side. They were always going to run out of legs or start trying to chase the game

Can see England getting another couple of tries before full time
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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Better scrum! They needed that. Great burst from Robson.
Genge and George are very good scrummagers to bring on. Stuart yet to come. Very different prop depth with Mako and Sincks back.

Really good to see both Youngs and Robson take quick taps today. A clear change in tactics. It would be very useful for England's scrum-half situation if Robson can show his attacking form for Wasps in international rugby. That's a good start.

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm

Varney looks like a really promising player, Wales may regret not picking him up

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm

At least this is the back row we all want to see.

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Post by BamBam Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:51 pm

Oh no

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Post by tigertattie Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:51 pm

Poor laddie. Fingers crossed he has a speedy recovery
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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:51 pm

Looks like a bad one for Willis

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:51 pm

So dumb from Genge at that ruck. Similar to Cowan-Dickie's silly ruck penalty in the first half. Under little pressure and so unnecessary. Frustrating for Genge to follow some good scrummaging and carrying with that.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:52 pm

Checking Farrell for nothing but accepting that is pathetic.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:53 pm

BigGee wrote:Looks like a bad one for Willis
I think I heard that on the ref mic. Horrible.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:53 pm

Looked a million dollars coming on as well.

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Post by BamBam Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:53 pm

His scream was awful, poor guy

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:53 pm

I hope that's not as bad as it looks (and sounds). He'd come on and made a really good impact as well.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:54 pm

Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:55 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Checking Farrell for nothing but accepting that is ****ing pathetic.
I don't think it was around the neck. Neck rolls are currently illegal but the 'lifeguard' roll as we used to call it when I was playing a lot is legal as long as it's not round the neck. That replay looked OK to me though I was watching it through a squint because I hate seeing those replays!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:55 pm

Poor guy, horrible getting injury on debut

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:55 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?

Italian player off their feet fouling and injuring willis.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:55 pm

Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:55 pm

Absolutely gutted for Willis, seems to happen every time he finally gets an opportunity with England. So many setbacks for a player who has so much to give. Awful!

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:56 pm

Sods law, a player the fans want to see and he gets injured like that.

Wish him a quick recovery
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Post by Scottrf Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:56 pm

Poor lad.

Breakdowns are a mess, referees always turn a blind eye.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Ironic the risk of a 6 2 bench has still left us with too few forwards.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?
Willis jackaling, one Italy player clearing him out, another trying roll him out (legally I think as it wasn't a neck roll from the brief replay), Willis got trapped and went over his knee.

Due to no fans you could instantly hear Willis scream and I might be imagining it but pretty sure there was a pop over the ref mic. Looks nasty and both sets of players backed off immediately with the ref instantly stopping play.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.

Farrell's was stupid, haven't seen the Willis one


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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Game on, come on Italy

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Great score from Italy, poor tackling from England

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Real shame for Willis and England.

At least May is not in the scrum...

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:58 pm

Gutted for Willis

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:58 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.
It's not illegal. It wasn't a neck role. Whether it should be illegal as is being discussed by the commentators is a different discussion and one I have a lot of time for having suffered a fracture dislocation from a similar 'lifeguard', 'crocodile', call it what you may clear out.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:59 pm

BigGee wrote:Great score from Italy, poor tackling from England

Not feel like saying how lucky the Italian player was?

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:59 pm

Terrible defence.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:00 pm

Well that was Poopie.

England are not going to win another game this six Nations if we continue to pick out of form players
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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:00 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:01 pm

king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:02 pm

Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:02 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Well that was Poopie.

England are not going to win another game this six Nations if we continue to pick out of form players

Why have disintegrated so badly this game...wheres the leadership from Farrell and itoje?

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:02 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

Tell that to Itoje laughing

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:03 pm

Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?

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Post by BamBam Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:04 pm

It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:04 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?

Yup. Italy showed you can for their first try. Keep up guns.

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Post by Scottrf Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:05 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?
Was your last post about the teams being evenly matched?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:05 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.
As the laws are currently enforced the croc role when binding round the waist rather than neck is viewed as the clearing player being on his feet when he binds on the jackal. Both players then go off feet when they roll.

As said I'm open to discussion about whether that law should be interpreted differently (I suffered a horrid injury myself from it) but as the laws are currently enforced that clearout happens dozens of times in every match. If that's foul play then both sides would have most their forwards in the bin right now.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:05 pm

BamBam wrote:It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris

It's a foul though Bam.

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Post by Scottrf Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:05 pm

BamBam wrote:It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris
It can only happen at every ruck because they are reffed so badly.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm

Farrell being a thug off the ball cant be compared to fairly standard argy bargy at the ruck.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm

king_carlos wrote:Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

Ford has transformed the attack but you know that Eddie will use that missed tackle as an excuse to drop him. He'll overlook Farrell's many errors though.

It's a rough and scrappy performance so far. The midfield and backrows have both lacked balance.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

Who was off their feet?

I must admit, I didn't see any foul play. Just looked like Willis got his leg stuck them the Italian rolled him out. As KC said, these happen 50 times a game.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm

king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.
Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.
As the laws are currently enforced the croc role when binding round the waist rather than neck is viewed as the clearing player being on his feet when he binds on the jackal. Both players then go off feet when they role.

As said I'm open to discussion about whether that law should be interpreted differently (I suffered a horrid injury myself from it) but as the laws are currently enforced that clearout happens dozens of times in every match. If that's foul play then both sides would have most their forwards in the bin right now.

To join a ruck you need to be on your feet. He isnt when he joins. The spin tackle whatever you want to call it is fine but the fact he goes off his feet to join is a pen to england.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 4:09 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

Ford has transformed the attack but you know that Eddie will use that missed tackle as an excuse to drop him. He'll overlook Farrell's many errors though.

It's a rough and scrappy performance so far. The midfield and backrows have both lacked balance.

I'm afraid ive seen nothing from Farrell

10 Ford
12 Slade
13 Lawrence

For the next game if I was in charge..

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