ENGLAND vs ITALY - 13/02/21 - build up / match thread

[TightHEAD]

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ENGLAND vs ITALY - 13/02/21

Kick off - HQ - 14:15

England need to bounce back well, good time for Italy to turn up and disrupt their plans as best they can.

Line ups

England: Daly; Watson, Slade, Farrell,May; Ford, Youngs (Mr Untouchable); M Vunipola, Cowan-Dickie, Sinckler, Itoje, Hill, Lawes, Curry, B Vunipola??.

Replacements: George, Genge, Stuart, Ewels, Earl, Willis, Robson, Malins.

Italy: Trulla; Sperandio, Brex, Canna, Ioane; Garbisi, Varney; Lovotti, Bigi (capt), Riccioni, Lazzaroni, Sisi, Negri, Meyer, Lamaro.

Replacements: Lucchesi, Fischetti, Zilocchi, Cannone, Ruzza, Palazzani, Allan, Mori.

[tigertattie]

Italy running out of gas now

I didn’t think they would manage to stay in it. England are just to big and physical compared to a young Italy side. They were always going to run out of legs or start trying to chase the game

Can see England getting another couple of tries before full time

[king_carlos]

Better scrum! They needed that. Great burst from Robson.

Genge and George are very good scrummagers to bring on. Stuart yet to come. Very different prop depth with Mako and Sincks back.

Really good to see both Youngs and Robson take quick taps today. A clear change in tactics. It would be very useful for England's scrum-half situation if Robson can show his attacking form for Wasps in international rugby. That's a good start.

[BigGee]

Varney looks like a really promising player, Wales may regret not picking him up

[doctor_grey]

At least this is the back row we all want to see.

[BamBam]

Oh no

[tigertattie]

Poor laddie. Fingers crossed he has a speedy recovery

[BigGee]

Looks like a bad one for Willis

[king_carlos]

So dumb from Genge at that ruck. Similar to Cowan-Dickie's silly ruck penalty in the first half. Under little pressure and so unnecessary. Frustrating for Genge to follow some good scrummaging and carrying with that.

[Soul Requiem]

Checking Farrell for nothing but accepting that is pathetic.

[king_carlos]

Looks like a bad one for Willis

I think I heard that on the ref mic. Horrible.

[No 7&1/2]

Looked a million dollars coming on as well.

[BamBam]

His scream was awful, poor guy

[formerly known as Sam]

I hope that's not as bad as it looks (and sounds). He'd come on and made a really good impact as well.

[Geordie]

Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?

[king_carlos]

Checking Farrell for nothing but accepting that is ****ing pathetic.

I don't think it was around the neck. Neck rolls are currently illegal but the 'lifeguard' roll as we used to call it when I was playing a lot is legal as long as it's not round the neck. That replay looked OK to me though I was watching it through a squint because I hate seeing those replays!

[Collapse2005]

Poor guy, horrible getting injury on debut

[No 7&1/2]

Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?

Italian player off their feet fouling and injuring willis.

[Soul Requiem]

Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.

[TheMildlyFranticLlama]

Absolutely gutted for Willis, seems to happen every time he finally gets an opportunity with England. So many setbacks for a player who has so much to give. Awful!

[TightHEAD]

Sods law, a player the fans want to see and he gets injured like that.

Wish him a quick recovery

[Scottrf]

Poor lad.

Breakdowns are a mess, referees always turn a blind eye.

[No 7&1/2]

Ironic the risk of a 6 2 bench has still left us with too few forwards.

[king_carlos]

Missed it, went for a beer . What happened?

Willis jackaling, one Italy player clearing him out, another trying roll him out (legally I think as it wasn't a neck roll from the brief replay), Willis got trapped and went over his knee.

Due to no fans you could instantly hear Willis scream and I might be imagining it but pretty sure there was a pop over the ref mic. Looks nasty and both sets of players backed off immediately with the ref instantly stopping play.

[Geordie]

Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.

Farrell's was stupid, haven't seen the Willis one

[Collapse2005]

Game on, come on Italy

[No 7&1/2]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

[BigGee]

Great score from Italy, poor tackling from England

[doctor_grey]

Real shame for Willis and England.

At least May is not in the scrum...

[RiscaGame]

Gutted for Willis

[king_carlos]

Telling that some of you were quick to complain about Farrell but are now saying nothing.

It's not illegal. It wasn't a neck role. Whether it should be illegal as is being discussed by the commentators is a different discussion and one I have a lot of time for having suffered a fracture dislocation from a similar 'lifeguard', 'crocodile', call it what you may clear out.

[Soul Requiem]

Great score from Italy, poor tackling from England

Not feel like saying how lucky the Italian player was?

[doctor_grey]

Terrible defence.

[TightHEAD]

Well that was Poopie.

England are not going to win another game this six Nations if we continue to pick out of form players

[king_carlos]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

[No 7&1/2]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

[king_carlos]

Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

[Geordie]

Well that was Poopie.

England are not going to win another game this six Nations if we continue to pick out of form players

Why have disintegrated so badly this game...wheres the leadership from Farrell and itoje?

[Collapse2005]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

Tell that to Itoje

[Collapse2005]

Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?

[BamBam]

It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris

[No 7&1/2]

Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?

Yup. Italy showed you can for their first try. Keep up guns.

[Scottrf]

Are you allowed do forward passes in Twickenham?

Was your last post about the teams being evenly matched?

[king_carlos]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

As the laws are currently enforced the croc role when binding round the waist rather than neck is viewed as the clearing player being on his feet when he binds on the jackal. Both players then go off feet when they roll.

As said I'm open to discussion about whether that law should be interpreted differently (I suffered a horrid injury myself from it) but as the laws are currently enforced that clearout happens dozens of times in every match. If that's foul play then both sides would have most their forwards in the bin right now.

[No 7&1/2]

It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris

It's a foul though Bam.

[Scottrf]

It's a rugby incident, not foul play. Awful for Willis but it could happen at every ruck, if his leg wasn't trapped he'd have been fine.

anyone would think something mean was said about Boris

It can only happen at every ruck because they are reffed so badly.

[Collapse2005]

Farrell being a thug off the ball cant be compared to fairly standard argy bargy at the ruck.

[formerly known as Sam]

Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

Ford has transformed the attack but you know that Eddie will use that missed tackle as an excuse to drop him. He'll overlook Farrell's many errors though.

It's a rough and scrappy performance so far. The midfield and backrows have both lacked balance.

[Sgt_Pooly]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

Who was off their feet?

I must admit, I didn't see any foul play. Just looked like Willis got his leg stuck them the Italian rolled him out. As KC said, these happen 50 times a game.

[No 7&1/2]

Cannot believe a foul by italy taking out a great player has left us conceding a try. Awful.

Can someone who thinks it was foul play explain how it was foul play please...?

A horrible injury but one that happened in the course of a clearout that is currently considered legal and happens dozens of times in every match from all sides.

Yli cant play a player in any capacity when you've gone off your feet at a ruck.

As the laws are currently enforced the croc role when binding round the waist rather than neck is viewed as the clearing player being on his feet when he binds on the jackal. Both players then go off feet when they role.

As said I'm open to discussion about whether that law should be interpreted differently (I suffered a horrid injury myself from it) but as the laws are currently enforced that clearout happens dozens of times in every match. If that's foul play then both sides would have most their forwards in the bin right now.

To join a ruck you need to be on your feet. He isnt when he joins. The spin tackle whatever you want to call it is fine but the fact he goes off his feet to join is a pen to england.

[Geordie]

Good response from England after some very poor defence.

They could do with another couple of tries here from a points difference perspective. I don't think there will be a grand slam this year so the title could be very tight.

Ford has transformed the attack but you know that Eddie will use that missed tackle as an excuse to drop him. He'll overlook Farrell's many errors though.

It's a rough and scrappy performance so far. The midfield and backrows have both lacked balance.

I'm afraid ive seen nothing from Farrell

10 Ford
12 Slade
13 Lawrence

For the next game if I was in charge..

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