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Post by Filo8 Mon 22 Feb 2021, 12:07 am

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mikey_dragon wrote:
y ddraig goch wrote:Jac Morgan is leaving the Scarlets for the Ospreys to go and learn his trade off Tipuric. Big loss for the Scarlets but makes sense with Dan Davies, Josh Macelod, and James Davies still on the books. Jac looks like a future Welsh international so it might be a good move for Wales in the long run with the Ospreys finally starting to live up to their potential with a return to the top level of Europe given the players on their books.

Davis and Davies aren’t that good, McCleod is very good but has awful luck with injuries lately. Scarlets’ supporters can’t see why Jac is being let go. Boyde was another good 7 that they let go.

Ospreys are a long way off their potential if last night is anything to go by.
He isn't 'being let go', he's apparently an Ospreys fan and wants to leave despite the offer on the table.
Considering the conditions, the young players in key positions, and the momentum killing refereeing performance (for both sides), Ospreys came out of it with a victory which is what they needed to help secure champions cup rugby next season.
I think it would be better to judge them as of next season when, if all the murmurs are to be believed, we will have a higher proportion of games played with full strength sides.

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Post by Phil Wed 17 Nov 2021, 9:04 pm

I just don't see why Ford wants to move. Leicester are on the up, they're playing great rugby infront of a full house and he is loved. I don't know if he's going to get any of that at Sale.

His dad must have massive pull over him, or he really wants to live in Manchester.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 17 Nov 2021, 9:17 pm

Phil wrote:I just don't see why Ford wants to move. Leicester are on the up, they're playing great rugby infront of a full house and he is loved. I don't know if he's going to get any of that at Sale.

His dad must have massive pull over him, or he really wants to live in Manchester.

His home town is apparently 24 miles away and he owns a cafe there next door to which his girlfriend is opening a restaurant. Sanderson has already suggested the club will help with the restaurant refurbishment which might interest the salary cap auditors though Sanderson doesn't half talk some rubbish.

The security of a three year deal (cool £1.6m) plus the ability to focus on those business opportunities and be closer to family all a draw for him particularly if he wants to start a family (maybe). I don't think rugby was the sole focus in the decision.

A lot is made about his dad but at Bath his dad was forced out the club by senior players. If you were George would you want to play under a captain that had fairly publicly stabbed your dad in the back professionally? I'll review that view of his dad rocks up at Sale shortly.

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Post by Phil Wed 17 Nov 2021, 9:25 pm

That's all fair points I guess Sam. I wonder how his career will go now, will we look back on this in years to come and think what might have been? With all respect to Sale, Ford's now unlikely to be competing in as many finals as he may have with Tigers in the future.

On a side note I've never liked Sanderson, and the more I hear and see of him the less I think of him. Just comes across as an bumhole tbh. I'm sure he's a good coach but his personality is like pantomime villain at times.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 17 Nov 2021, 10:10 pm

It's too early to say who will win anything this season, Quins didn't show up until January last season, finished fourth a distance off the top yet dominated the playoffs.

Sale have a big and mobile pack, if they keep it together and keep their best players fit around the squad there's a lot going for them. Particularly now Ford is at the helm. Keep Faff out of the hands of whichever Japanese club is fishing around and that's quite the combination.

Whether Tigers will win anything it's far to early to contemplate. We've seen a HUGE improvement under Borthwick but how we comeback from the first loss this season will tell us possibly more than the unbeaten start and there will be a loss sooner or later. Could well be the next game Vs Quins. I hope Ford opting to leave isn't a destabilising factor because that will scupper silverware chances this season. I'm sure Borthwick will push improvements consistently but the recruitment team will need to pull another rabbit out the hat as I'm not convinced a combination of Burns/Lancaster/Hegarty is a flyhalf set that will deliver a title. Burns is an ideal back up 10, Hegarty a solid option outside of Steward at the back who can be a secondary playmaker or drop in at 10. Lancaster not sure if he'll be more of a 10 or a 12 yet. At least all three are reliable off the tee.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 18 Nov 2021, 1:13 pm

Steve Diamond is off to Worcester on a consultancy style role to advise on recruitment and review all things rugby by the sounds of it. Worcester spend plenty apparently and never seem to do that well so looks a good move.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 18 Nov 2021, 2:04 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Steve Diamond is off to Worcester on a consultancy style role to advise on recruitment and review all things rugby by the sounds of it. Worcester spend plenty apparently and never seem to do that well so looks a good move.

Agreed. Diamond is an underrated DOR in my view. Worcester look like they need some direction and he will help provide that. He was always good at developing the young talent at Sale and bringing in some additional talent to supplement it.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 19 Nov 2021, 7:33 pm

Joel Kpoku to Lyon. For playing time. Good for him.

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Post by propdavid_london Mon 22 Nov 2021, 9:59 am

Is that a loan move 7.5?
Certainly looked like a great U20s prospect - but must be struggling for gametime at Sarries as you said.

Lets hope he isn't another young talent like Mercer that will get lost from the English game.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 22 Nov 2021, 10:52 am

No Kpoku has signed out there for a couple of years I think. Hasn't kicked on at Sarries so might make sense to go and get some game time and experience elsewhere. He's young enough to come back post world cup and stake a claim. He's still only 22.

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Post by BigGee Mon 22 Nov 2021, 1:20 pm

Euan Ashman to Glasgow on loan for the rest of the season.

Good move for both, Sale not giving him any game time atm and he needs to kick on now he has been capped. Glasgow also a bit light in the hooker stakes and Turner/Brown are no strangers to the physio table.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 22 Nov 2021, 1:25 pm

BigGee wrote:Euan Ashman to Glasgow on loan for the rest of the season.

Good move for both, Sale not giving him any game time atm and he needs to kick on now he has been capped. Glasgow also a bit light in the hooker stakes and Turner/Brown are no strangers to the physio table.

Makes a lot of sense with Sale having three senior hookers all fit and available. If it gets him game time before next season when Sale are likely to offload their current first choice (cost saving) and that will give Ashman more opportunities.

If Glasgow have a need then he's a good injury cover loan.

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Post by Brendan Mon 22 Nov 2021, 1:57 pm

As people have said Ford is an interesting one.

Sale have been a bit poor but not terrible.  Part of that might be the loss of Faf.   Having a 9/10 combo of Faf/Ford is up their with the best in Europe which is probably Toulouse.

I would wonder without Ford who seems to run the Tigers show will they the the great team they are now.  We saw the change in standards in the Past at Tigers when he was missing but that was pre coaching changes.

I would also feel that like most professional players Ford would look at Sale who are nearly there and that he is the person to get them there.

It would be easy to assume Smith is in the England squad because he lead Quinns to the title.  If (a big if) Ford can win with Tigers and Sale and knows Faf inside out how can Jones leave him out of the WC especial as Quinns are built on running rugby while Tigers and Sale are much better suited to the England/Jones game plan and is working with Tullagi.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 22 Nov 2021, 4:50 pm

If Faff stays at Sale then they'll have excellent starting half backs with international experience and then a set of young up and coming halfbacks with bags of potential in Quirke and Wilkinson, Quirke's already capped.

What Tigers do is a bit uncertain. There's lot of rumours surrounding the negotiations with Ford and over possible replacements. Tigers do have other options in the squad but none near Ford's quality. Burns and Hegarty are good journeymen with Burns offering more flair and Hegarty more stability. Young Lancaster has a bit about him but could end up as a creative secondary playmaker at 12 as much as he could be the next flyhalf so signing another option is likely.

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Post by king_carlos Tue 23 Nov 2021, 5:51 pm

Apparently Scott Cummings was listed in the Scotland vs Japan programme as a Sarries player. Typo? Or them letting something slip that is yet to be announced?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Tue 23 Nov 2021, 6:03 pm

Kpoku out and Cummings in?

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Post by king_carlos Tue 23 Nov 2021, 6:47 pm

No chance it would work in terms of cap space for cap space. Cummings is a really strong international lock these days. If they are struggling to quite find room for Kruis I could see Cummings coming in to strengthen the pack. Sarries will surely qualify for Champions Cup next season so will need a stronger lock than Swinson.

If Vunipola x 2 left then they will have a ton of cap space to play with.

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Post by king_carlos Tue 23 Nov 2021, 6:50 pm

With Kpoku I think he's just stalled a bit hence the lack of game time. It happens with naturally massive players like Kpoku sometimes when adjusting to playing against other gigantic forwards in senior rugby. He's got all the time to improve as a player in France and come back though.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Tue 23 Nov 2021, 7:09 pm

Didn't Kpoku re-sign at a time he was highly rated and Saints were allegedly very keen on signing him? Might have inflated his earnings and explain why Sarries were not fussed about letting him go to Lyon mid season.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Yesterday at 11:04 am

Denny Solomona has left Sale with immediate effect. Apparently he's going to pursue an opportunity in the SH.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 11:14 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:Denny Solomona has left Sale with immediate effect. Apparently he's going to pursue an opportunity in the SH.

Quick impact of the new eligibility rules? Such a good finisher; we'll always have Argentina.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Yesterday at 11:35 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Denny Solomona has left Sale with immediate effect. Apparently he's going to pursue an opportunity in the SH.

Quick impact of the new eligibility rules? Such a good finisher; we'll always have Argentina.

Think more that he's out the team at the minute and was leaving at the end of the season anyway. Something has come up down in the SH so the club have let him go early. Might also free up some cap for them to maybe sign a bit of injury cover if they need it.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Yesterday at 11:53 am

Will Solomona stay in rugby union or go to the NRL?

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Post by king_carlos Yesterday at 7:47 pm

I think Solomona might go back to league. His Sale contract was signed when he was around the England squad with a lot of hype and Premiership wage inflation was getting out of control. Re-signing now his value would be lower but his finishing could entice a very good wage in the NRL.

An interesting player with the new eligibility rules is Lozowski. He was Italy qualified through parents or grandparents before playing for England. Crowley will surely be in touch there. 10.Garbisi 12.Canna 13.Lozowski would be a really strong midfield.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Yesterday at 8:25 pm

There's the new Super Rugby Team to represent Samoa isn't there? I'd assume he'd head there with the hope to then represent Samoa on international level.

Re Lozowski, yes that would be a very creative midfield but I doubt Lozowski would go for that because he'd surely know that would limit his potential earnings in the Prem with the RFU pushing for ever greater EQ favouring rules. Having an international quality player who's not getting selected but qualifies his club for the RFU bonus is worth more than an Italian international. Unless of course Italy are going to pay well in match fees.

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Post by The Oracle Yesterday at 9:32 pm

Liam Williams to Blues is a rumour doing the rounds on WalesOnline. A fullback replacement for the retiring Hallam Amos. Would be a real surprise as LW is a West Wales Scarlet through and through.
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