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Post by dynamark Tue 20 Apr 2021, 6:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ben Leicester have been fortunate to find wealthy owners who saved us from a deal of trouble but they could not be accused of throwing stupid money around and disregarding the fans.The PL winning team was assembled from a bunch of frees ,has beens and cheap buys I think Ulloa was the top buy at about £9m.What they then did as some players moved on for big money was start throwing some of that money about to try to maintain position with varying degrees of success.The Chairman gives away free beer and cakes on his birthday and has given a lot to local organisations including a childrens hospital ,We have been very very lucky.
I think the German teams have a different voting structure where fans have a big say.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:05 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Oh, so now I'm not allowed to express an opinion?

I never said that. Now you're making things up.
Next you'll be saying The Prince cartoon is a priceless work of animation, I bet. Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
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Post by superflyweight Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:08 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Oh, so now I'm not allowed to express an opinion?

Get a grip.

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Post by Galted Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:20 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?
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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:24 pm

Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

You don't need to be a psychiatrist to diagnose that one.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:26 pm

Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

I haven't changed my stance on this. It's easy to understand and it's hardly controversial.

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Post by Galted Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:35 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

I haven't changed my stance on this. It's easy to understand and it's hardly controversial.

It's easy to categorise someone just because they attack priests in Edinburgh Cathedral and shout abuse at hit and run victims and the RNLI but you clearly haven't read much about mental issues on social media so I'm not really sure why I should bother with your opinion.
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Post by Galted Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:36 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

You don't need to be a psychiatrist to diagnose that one.


Laugh

thought that was superflyweight for a moment.
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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:40 pm

Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

I haven't changed my stance on this. It's easy to understand and it's hardly controversial.

It's easy to categorise someone just because they attack priests in Edinburgh Cathedral and shout abuse at hit and run victims and the RNLI but you clearly haven't read much about mental issues on social media so I'm not really sure why I should bother with your opinion.

Glad to see you admit you're wrong.

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Post by Galted Fri 30 Jul 2021, 9:43 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So what you're saying is that I'm mentally ill?

I haven't changed my stance on this. It's easy to understand and it's hardly controversial.

It's easy to categorise someone just because they attack priests in Edinburgh Cathedral and shout abuse at hit and run victims and the RNLI but you clearly haven't read much about mental issues on social media so I'm not really sure why I should bother with your opinion.

Glad to see you admit you're wrong.

Apology accepted.
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Post by McLaren Fri 30 Jul 2021, 10:31 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Regardless of the arguments about illegal immigrants, the RNLI's job is to rescue people who are in peril at sea and save lives without judgement. Anyone who criticizes them for doing that, as Farage did, is behaving like a w*nker.

Exactly.

Does super_realist envision a scenario where people drowning at sea have to wait while the lifeboat crew verify their nationality and immigration status? Only rescue them out of the sea once they have shown a passport. Doh
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Post by lostinwales Fri 30 Jul 2021, 10:32 pm

McLaren wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:Regardless of the arguments about illegal immigrants, the RNLI's job is to rescue people who are in peril at sea and save lives without judgement. Anyone who criticizes them for doing that, as Farage did, is behaving like a w*nker.

Exactly.

Does super_realist envision a scenario where people drowning at sea have to wait while the lifeboat crew verify their nationality and immigration status? Only rescue them out of the sea once they have shown a passport. Doh

Get them on board, process them then chuck them back if they don't fit the correct criteria.

Can you imagine?

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Post by McLaren Fri 30 Jul 2021, 10:33 pm

On a more general note Super, what scares you about people coming into the UK via either "legitimate" or illegal means?

What are the risks to the UK if this is not totally clamped down on?
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Post by McLaren Fri 30 Jul 2021, 10:34 pm

lostinwales wrote:

Get them on board, process them then chuck them back if they don't fit the correct criteria.

Can you imagine?

Sadly I thinks it's exactly what some people are asking for.
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Post by JAS Sat 31 Jul 2021, 12:59 am

McLaren wrote:On a more general note Super, what scares you about people coming into the UK via either "legitimate" or illegal means?

What are the risks to the UK if this is not totally clamped down on?

Always fascinates me when people get all uppity about immigration especially in places like the U.K. whose population is made up of tranches of immigration over centuries (Vikings, Saxons, Normans etc to select just a few). Migration of people around different areas of this planet has happened probably from the beginning of human existence. When did the human race as collective suddenly say “Right no more of that” eh never.

That being said that is not to say immigration (particularly mass immigration) is not without its problems. Of course a vast wave of immigration can cause considerable problems if the receiving State doesn’t have the capacity, capability or willingness to cope. So for the anti immigration minded the question would be…. Do you think the U.K. doesn’t have the capacity? Doesn’t have the capability? Or just doesn’t want to because a vocal minority of its population out of unreconstructed selfishness based largely on a racist attitude just don’t want it?
I personally think the numbers are reaching a level where the capacity of infrastructure and services to cope could be stretched (especially if we continue to be run by a right wing low tax, low spend regime which is where we are now. Our services won’t cope and the immigrants get the blame.
Just being Anti immigration without any consideration of all the salient facts could be construed as racism at worst, blatant self interest protectionism at best.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 31 Jul 2021, 1:43 am

JAS wrote:
McLaren wrote:On a more general note Super, what scares you about people coming into the UK via either "legitimate" or illegal means?

What are the risks to the UK if this is not totally clamped down on?

Always fascinates me when people get all uppity about immigration especially in places like the U.K. whose population is made up of tranches of immigration over centuries (Vikings, Saxons, Normans etc to select just a few). Migration of people around different areas of this planet has happened probably from the beginning of human existence. When did the human race as collective suddenly say “Right no more of that” eh never.

Just ask the Celts when the Romans moved in, then the Romano-Britons when the Saxons came in. You sometimes wonder how many people think what happened to the Danish immigrants provides a model for treatment of immigrants today.

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That being said that is not to say immigration (particularly mass immigration) is not without its problems. Of course a vast wave of immigration can cause considerable problems if the receiving State  doesn’t have the capacity, capability or willingness to cope. So for the anti immigration minded the question would be…. Do you think the U.K. doesn’t have the capacity? Doesn’t have the capability? Or just doesn’t want to because a vocal minority of its population out of unreconstructed selfishness based largely on a racist attitude just don’t want it?
I personally think the numbers are reaching a level where the capacity of infrastructure and services to cope could be stretched (especially if we continue to be run by a right wing low tax, low spend regime which is where we are now. Our services won’t cope and the immigrants get the blame.
Just being Anti immigration without any consideration of all the salient facts could be construed as racism at worst, blatant self interest protectionism at best.

There are always problems with the 'strain on infrastructure' argument. One is that in general immigrants are young healthy people who want and need to work hard. So they tend to not put the kind of strain on, say, the health service than, say, the average unemployed middle aged home grown smoker. In fact the NHS for many years has depended on same immigrants for staffing.

Another is that many immigrants, just being 'other' are easy to identify and therefore blame. Of course we get bad immigrants, but we also breed bad people at home. We are more discriminating with the demonisation of chunks of our own society because we have enough knowledge to make decisions on more than, for instance, language and skin colour. Its easy to put all immigrants from a particular area into the same category.

A third is population numbers and growth. Current number of kids per woman in the UK is 1.6. This doesn't have a big impact on population now, because of immigration and life expectancy. But in the future it will. Its easier to assimilate immigrants than you think. We have, after all, been doing it for a very long time and somehow we are still identifiable as the UK.

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Post by McLaren Sat 31 Jul 2021, 1:45 am

Jas

I have a simple way to look at it.

If your economy is healthy and well run adding people to it shouldn't be a problem. If your country cannot cope with immigration then it is a sign that you have not been running your economy properly. Think about that right wingers?

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 31 Jul 2021, 2:54 am

https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/africa/57992047

This is quite topical.

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Post by beninho Sat 31 Jul 2021, 4:04 am

Ben Stokes withdraws from test squad to protect his mental wellbeing. Maybe he shoukd suck it up.

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Post by McLaren Sat 31 Jul 2021, 4:27 am

beninho wrote:Ben Stokes withdraws from test squad to protect his mental wellbeing. Maybe he shoukd suck it up.

Is he a poof or something?
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Post by lostinwales Sat 31 Jul 2021, 5:15 am

beninho wrote:Ben Stokes withdraws from test squad to protect his mental wellbeing. Maybe he shoukd suck it up.

What a loser, he'll never amount to anything.


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Post by Galted Sat 31 Jul 2021, 5:30 am

lostinwales wrote:
beninho wrote:Ben Stokes withdraws from test squad to protect his mental wellbeing. Maybe he shoukd suck it up.

What a loser, he'll never amount to anything.


He's an immigrant as well. Should be put on a dinghy and shoved off in the direction of France.
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Post by Pal Joey Sat 31 Jul 2021, 11:06 am

I stood a couple of feet behind him in the nets at the SCG in 2014. Boy he could smash the ball. Think it was Finn giving him some throw downs.
I felt sorry for the cricket ball. He showed absolutely no sympathy for the poor thing. I just hope that ball recovered and got a bit of shine back.
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Post by dynamark Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:12 pm

Soft lad ,I think the cricketers in general are not at all happy about the way they will have to exist in isolation in Oz .Being away on tour for months is one thing but locked in a room is another.I wish Id had the chance not to turn up on the numerous times I felt the pressure at work.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:42 pm

beninho wrote:Ben Stokes withdraws from test squad to protect his mental wellbeing. Maybe he shoukd suck it up.

He's got to do what's best for him and I wish him all the best, his recent form hasn't been good.

I will however say that he's able to take indefinite leave due to being a multimillionaire, his IPL contracts in recent years have been huge. I don't get the sense many of us on here are living on the breadline so possibly not the best to comment but I can see why a low earner would become frustrated with seeing another rich man taking a break. That isn't my view at all but a cleaner for instance may not be overly supportive of this decision.

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Post by beninho Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:17 pm

I played rugby at school for a few years, but in general I find it dull as anything. Just not into it at all. Rugby 7s though, it's much better!

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Post by dynamark Sat 31 Jul 2021, 8:35 pm

I would have preferred to see a statement saying he has withdrawn due to an injury(which I think he has) and not wishing to be apart from family for several months . Rugby at local club level seems to be an excuse for some violence and a booze up,My old sport was sailing to the point we just missed a chance for glory so pleased to see we have a number of good medal chances in several classes.

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Post by super_realist Sun 01 Aug 2021, 3:40 am

McLaren wrote:On a more general note Super, what scares you about people coming into the UK via either "legitimate" or illegal means?

What are the risks to the UK if this is not totally clamped down on?

Infrastructure Mac. Unfettered, unmanaged immigration puts strain on health, education, housing, transport, welfare, benefits etc. I'm not against managed immigration at all, it's good for the gene pool if nothing else, but why would anyone be in favour of illegal immigration?

Lostinwales. There's no such thing as a Celtic race or ethnicity.
Celtic was only ever cultural.

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Post by super_realist Sun 01 Aug 2021, 3:41 am

McLaren wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:Regardless of the arguments about illegal immigrants, the RNLI's job is to rescue people who are in peril at sea and save lives without judgement. Anyone who criticizes them for doing that, as Farage did, is behaving like a w*nker.

Exactly.



Does super_realist envision a scenario where people drowning at sea have to wait while the lifeboat crew verify their nationality and immigration status? Only rescue them out of the sea once they have shown a passport. Doh

How many are drowning Mac? If they are coming here legally, why not just use the legal channels? No one is forcing anyone to make an illegal crossing, and these peoppe aren't escaping anything if they've already arrived in a safe european country so crossing the Channel is completely unessessary.

They come to Britain because its a soft touch, not because they need our security from some made up asylum claim

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Post by beninho Sun 01 Aug 2021, 3:51 am

If someone wants to claim asylum in the UK they need to be in the UK. So the legal channels is to try and get to the UK. There are no rules ir regulations about having to claim asylum in a country you've visited.

Super Realist, is generally an advocate for personal responsibility but that doesn't apy to where soneone wants to claim asylum?

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Post by super_realist Sun 01 Aug 2021, 4:19 am

We have been through this before. If you wish to claim asylum. Get on a plane, ferry or train.
If you can't make legal entry to your country of choice, don't take an illegal route.
Seek asylum in a country you can get into.

There's nothing forcing them to claim asylum in any other country. What % of these "asylum seekers" are presenting at Asylum centres? 🤣 🤣

Isn't it funny that if Britain is such a racist, right wing, intolerant country that so many people want to come here.

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Post by beninho Sun 01 Aug 2021, 4:41 am

Crossing into the country to claim asylum isn't illegal. Surely everyone is fully aware of that by now.

Also, unsure if you can get a uk entry visa to claim asylum.

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Post by super_realist Sun 01 Aug 2021, 5:02 am

It is if you aren't a genuine asylum seeker.

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Post by super_realist Sun 01 Aug 2021, 5:04 am

beninho wrote:Crossing into the country to claim asylum isn't illegal.  Surely everyone is fully aware of that by now.

Also, unsure if you can get a uk entry visa to claim asylum.

If you can't get UK entry to aim asylum, then go to one country where you don't have to pay a trafficker and risk your life.
What's wrong with claiming asylum in mainland Europe? Not soft enough for them?

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Post by JuliusHMarx Sun 01 Aug 2021, 5:58 am

super_realist wrote:What's wrong with claiming asylum in mainland Europe? Not soft enough for them?

Depends who you believe when you google "why do illegal immigrants want to come to the uk"

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Post by McLaren Mon 02 Aug 2021, 7:11 pm

BBC News - Tyrone Mings: England defender's mental health 'plummeted' in build-up to Euro 2020
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58051349
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Post by McLaren Mon 02 Aug 2021, 9:32 pm

Tokyo Olympics: Adam Peaty to take short break to mentally recharge before busy 2022 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58052874
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Post by McLaren Mon 02 Aug 2021, 9:33 pm

This is getting out of hand.
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Post by lostinwales Mon 02 Aug 2021, 9:40 pm

Sounds very sensible to me. Worth remembering it has been a very unusual 18 months.

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Post by super_realist Mon 02 Aug 2021, 10:10 pm

McLaren wrote:This is getting out of hand.

Seems like taking a rest as I'd expect someone to do who has been training for that Olympic moment is just being dressed up as a rest for mental health. Almost appears that everyone in sport is desperate to show they're "aware" of mental health.


If I'd been getting up every day at 4am and doing two or three pool sessions and all the other work then I'd want a wee break too, I just wouldn't announce it. Don't all athletes take a bit of time off after an event like this?

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Post by beninho Tue 03 Aug 2021, 5:53 pm

Having farage with his own show is pretty bad. But this guy is just as much a crank.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1421539786360246276?s=19

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Post by pedro Tue 03 Aug 2021, 7:34 pm

beninho wrote:Having farage with his own show is pretty bad. But this guy is just as much a crank.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1421539786360246276?s=19
For a moment I thought I was watching Braveheart.

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Post by dynamark Wed 04 Aug 2021, 1:13 am

Super please do not take a wee break in the swimming pool.
Got a footy ticket today for Leicester v Villareal tomorrow cannot wait to be back in the ground with some now old friends. Im not sure though cos me mental health is not good

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Post by super_realist Thu 05 Aug 2021, 6:17 pm

Two whole days and not a single sportsperson has mentioned their "mental health". I'm now concerned for their "mental health"

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Post by McLaren Thu 05 Aug 2021, 8:26 pm

dynamark wrote:Super please do not take a wee break in the swimming pool.
Got a footy ticket today for Leicester v Villareal tomorrow cannot wait to be back in the ground with some now old friends. Im not sure though cos me mental health is not good

Turned into a bad night for Leicester. Fofana is a great player. Leicester will be weaker without him.
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Post by lostinwales Thu 05 Aug 2021, 8:54 pm

super_realist wrote:Two whole days and not a single sportsperson has mentioned their "mental health". I'm now concerned for their "mental health"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-58077269 There you go, although in this case its probably safe to say the guy has recovered.

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Post by McLaren Thu 05 Aug 2021, 9:12 pm

lostinwales wrote:
super_realist wrote:Two whole days and not a single sportsperson has mentioned their "mental health". I'm now concerned for their "mental health"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-58077269  There you go, although in this case its probably safe to say the guy has recovered.


He should be ashamed. He only got a silver.
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Post by super_realist Thu 05 Aug 2021, 9:28 pm

lostinwales wrote:
super_realist wrote:Two whole days and not a single sportsperson has mentioned their "mental health". I'm now concerned for their "mental health"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-58077269  There you go, although in this case its probably safe to say the guy has recovered.

I hoped that was going to be a link to the boxer who was pissed off with a silver.

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Post by dynamark Thu 05 Aug 2021, 9:56 pm

Mac very true mate.It was a dreadful deliberate attack tackle ,Couple of minutes earlier Fof had nicked the ball off him and clipped his heel ,The lad went down and got a booing from the crowd and then went for his revenge.Referee tried to ref it like a friendly very light touchbut it was more than that from the off.Good news is we outplayed them and looked well sharp.No cover at centre back though.Great to be back first time since March 2020.

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Post by McLaren Thu 05 Aug 2021, 11:00 pm

Super

I think the women's pole vault just demonstrated why not winning gold can be a great achievement for an athlete. The British athlete Holly Bradshaw got bronze, but had never finished better than 4th in a global competition over 2 previous olympics and several world championships. She is 30, her career is probably winding down, she was never going to get a gold. Would you not agree that she has every right to be ecstatic with the result?
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Post by super_realist Thu 05 Aug 2021, 11:14 pm

If you only want to be a journeyman I suppose its fine, but personally I wouldn't be outwardly ecstatic about it.

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