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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 10:40 am

2021 England v NZ / World Test Championship Final

Tipping Competition Rules:

1.
Pick 2 (two) batsmen and 2 (two) bowlers from both England and New Zealand (India and NZ for the WTC Final) whom you think will score the most runs and take the most wickets. You get both batting and bowling points per innings so a bowler who scores runs has both batting and bowling scores added together.
e.g.
Conway, Williamson, Jamieson, Wagner
Sibley, Root, Broad, Anderson

2.
Pick 1 (one) fielder from each team; excluding wicket keepers for most catches in the Series.
It can be a bowler (for c&b) if you want.
e.g.
Taylor, Pope

3.
Select which wicket keeper will take the greatest number of catches, stumpings and run outs combined for each Test.
If a wicket keeper is injured then the replacement keeper's figures shall be used.
e.g.
Bracey or Watling... or "the same" amount of dismissals.

4.
Predict the Toss:
a) Who wins the toss?
e.g.
New Zealand

b) Winning captain's decision - bat or field?
e.g.
Bat

5.
a) Predict the Test result. 150 points for WTC Final.
e.g.
New Zealand

Selections must be posted a minimum one (1) hour before the commencement of play. No PM reminders shall be sent.

Scoring:

1.
1 point for every run scored by your nominated batsmen. Add together for each Test.
Bonus 20 points for 100 runs.
extra 25 points for 150 runs.
extra 40 points for 200 runs.
extra 50 points for 250 runs.
extra 60 bonus points for 300+ runs.

Note: the batting & bowling score bonuses accumulate so;

Batting:
100 runs = 120 points. A player scores 127 + 20 = 147 points.
150 runs = 195 points. A player scores 176 + 20 + 25 = 221 points.
200 runs = 285 points. A player scores 243 + 20 + 25 + 40 = 328 points.
250 runs = 385 points. A player scores 282 + 20 + 25 + 40 + 50 = 417 points
300+ runs = 445 points. A player scores 309 + 20 + 25 + 40 + 50 + 60 = 504 points.

Bowling:
20 points per wicket with a bonus 50 points for a 5-fer.
An extra 35 points for 6-fer, 40 for 7-fer, 45 for 8-fer, 50 for 9-fer.
An extra 100 bonus points for a 10-fer.

5 wickets = 100 + 50 = 150 points
6 wickets = 120 + 50 + 35 = 205 points.
7 wickets = 140 + 50 + 35 + 40 = 265 points
8 wickets = 160 + 50 + 35 + 40 + 45 = 330 points
9 wickets = 180 + 50 + 35 + 40 + 45 + 50 = 400 points
10 wickets = 200 + 50 + 35 + 40 + 45 + 50 + 100 = 520 points

Caught and bowled = 20 points for the wicket + 25 bonus points for the catch = 45 points.

2.
Fielder catches: Your nominated fieldsmen earn you 25 points per catch and 25 points for a run out.

3.
Wicket keepers: 50 points for correct selection. e,g. - Bracey or Watling.
Or if you think they will take the same number of total dismissals per innings - then nominate "the same" = 50 points.
If they take the same number of catches and stumpings (combined) and you've picked either one of the keepers - then 25 points only.

4.
a) Correctly predict who wins the toss = 15 points
b) Correctly predict what the winning Captain decides to do = 15 points - only for those with part a) above correct; no points if your a) was incorrect.

5.
a) Correctly predict the winning team for each Test = 100 points. (1st Test 50 points)
b) If you guess both Test Match outcomes correctly then there is a further 100 point bonus = 250 points.
Note: Correctly predict a "Draw" = 100 points
c) Bonus points for WTC Final = 150 points

If one (or more) of your selected players gets injured during a match or is dropped from the Test side after a match, then you’ll have the opportunity to select replacement players – either as it happens - for the injured player or before the next Test commences (for a player who gets dropped). Doesn’t have to be the actual substitute player – it can be somebody else already in the team. However, you don’t receive any of their previous points – you must start accumulating points from scratch with them.

*****

England v New Zealand
June 02-06: 1st Test at Lord's Match Drawn
June 10-14: 2nd Test at Edgbaston New Zealand won by 8 wickets and the Series 1-0

World Test Championship
India v New Zealand
June 18 - 22: Final at The Ageas Bowl, Southampton New Zealand won by 8 wickets and are the World Test Champions


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Post by KP_fan Thu 03 Jun 2021, 10:43 am

Hi PJ,
Good to have you back with the interesting side show
Not clear though what we can and cannot select
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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 10:58 am

Firstly my apologies to you all for being too slow off the blocks....

In order for us all to have some extra interest in the 1st Test at Lord's.

I'm proposing the following... given that Conway has already gotten off to a great start.

1. Pick 2 batsmen and bowlers as per usual.

For the England bowlers - start accruing points from now - (Anderson 1w, Robinson 2w)

However, if you select Devon Conway and he gets out for:

a) under 150 runs; then his 1st innings score x 0.8 (+10 bonus points)
b) between 150 and 174 runs; then his 1st innings score x 0.75 (+20 bonus points)
c) between 175 and 199 runs; then his 1st innings score x 0.7 (+30 bonus points)
d) Over 200 runs; then his 1st innings score x 0.65 (+50 bonus points)

and finally;

e) If Conway only scores 0-10 runs in his 2nd innings (if he bats)  - a minus 75-point penalty shall apply.

Seems a little (intentionally) harsh I know... and I have no idea how it will work. Anyway, just a twist for us all.


2. Still select your catcher for each team. Most catches over both innings.

3. Still select your wicket keeper for each team. Most wk dismissals over both innings.

Forget the toss... Wink

4. Winner of 1st Test - 50 points only. (Back to 100 points for the 2nd Test)

Try and get your selections in by the end of the first session if possible; lunch at the latest.

Good Luck!


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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:04 am

1.
Crawley, Root, Robinson, Broad
Conway, Watling, Jamieson, Wagner

2.
Root, Taylor

3.
Watling

4.
NZ
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Post by KP_fan Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:19 am

NZ
CDGH, BJ Watling
Southie Santner

Eng
Lawrence, Root
Robinson, Anderson

Catchers
Ross Taylor
Crawley

WK
BJ Watlig

Result
NZ wins
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Post by KP_fan Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:24 am

what Formula/ restrictions apply on Nicholls?
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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:32 am

KP_fan wrote:what Formula/ restrictions apply on Nicholls?

Laugh None.

Too pressed for time so only concentrated on Conway. Nicholls is looking good isn't he?

Do you think we should do the same for him?
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Post by KP_fan Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:43 am

Pal Joey wrote:
KP_fan wrote:what Formula/ restrictions apply on Nicholls?

Laugh None.

Too pressed for time so only concentrated on Conway. Nicholls is looking good isn't he?

Do you think we should do the same for him?

yes i think so ,else he is easy 60 free points
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Post by alfie Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:48 am

Ok .

Root Sibley. Anderson Broad
Conway Watling Wagner Jamieson

Pope. Williamson

Watling

Draw.

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 11:50 am

KP_fan wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
KP_fan wrote:what Formula/ restrictions apply on Nicholls?

Laugh None.

Too pressed for time so only concentrated on Conway. Nicholls is looking good isn't he?

Do you think we should do the same for him?

yes i think so ,else he is easy 60 free points

OK... 0.8 for now (50-100 runs), 0.75 for (100-150), 0.7 for (150-200), 0.65 for (200+ runs) Will apply a similar bonus as per Conway.

Nicholls out for 61 runs... so adjusted (x 0.8 rounded up) to 49 points. No extra bonus which would have applied if he'd scored 100 runs.


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Post by Soul Requiem Thu 03 Jun 2021, 12:20 pm

Root Pope Anderson Broad
Conway Watling Southee Jamieson

Burns Williamson

Watling

New Zealand win

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 12:24 pm

Cheers Alfie, Soul and KP_fan.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 03 Jun 2021, 1:52 pm

Cheers PJ

I will go for

Pope, Lawrence. Robinson, Anderson
Williamson, Conway (currently 182*), Jamieson (just out), Wagner

Sibley, Taylor

Watling

NZ Win
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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 1:54 pm

Good stuff Olly. Conway's current score noted. So you're at least 157 points already. OK
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Post by JDizzle Thu 03 Jun 2021, 1:57 pm

Pope Bracey Robinson Broad
Conway Williamson Wagner Jamieson

Root Williamson

Watling

England win


Conway is 183* currently!

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 2:03 pm

Thanks JD.

Yes and the formula will change if he gets past 200.
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Post by James100 Thu 03 Jun 2021, 2:56 pm

Cheers PJ

Root, Pope, Anderson, Robinson
Conway, Williamson, Wagner, Southee

Root, Williamson

Watling

NZ win

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 03 Jun 2021, 3:02 pm

Thanks James... great to see you again.

Guys, it's just turned over to Friday here. I'll get the points board up first thing in the morning.
Great match to watch but I'm pretty knackered for the day.

Others are still welcome to post their selections up. We'll sort it all out later.
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 9:15 am

Points Table
1st Test, Day 2:

348 James
322 Alfie
319 Pal Joey
307 Olly
300 Soul Requiem
287 JDizzle
131 KP_Fan

Average Score: 288
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 9:29 am

Whoever has Devon Conway (all of us except for KP_F) ended up with 180 points. So much for my 'magic formula'. That didn't work!
However, if he gets out for under 10 runs in his second innings, we'll all (except for KP_F) be penalised 75 points.  Erm

Luckily nobody had Henry Nicholls who accrued 49 points (discounted since he had already scored some runs) for his final score of 61 runs.

Conway:
(200 x 0.65) + 50 point bonus
= 130 + 50
= 180 points

Both point scoring for Conway and Nicholls revert back to normal for the 2nd innings - unless Conway scores only 0-10 runs (as per above).


For the bowlers:

Ollie Robinson already had 2 wickets at the start of Day 2 - so minus 40 points for him.
James Anderson already had just the one wicket at the start of Day 2 - so minus 20 points for him.
If you had both (Robinson and Anderson) then it was unfortunately minus 60 points. Sorry James, KP_Fan and Olly!

Obviously points scoring goes back to normal for both Robinson and Anderson from the start of the 2nd innings.
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:15 am

You're a Super bunch of Six but it would be nice to see a few more folks in the competition.
There's still so much to go in this one plus the 2nd Test and then the World Test Championship. It's a veritable feast of cricket coming up.

Just supposing someone wants to join in late...

Average Score 288 points - one point above JD currently.
KP_F is on an unusually low score by comparison - 131 points

So if anyone wants to join now; then how about Average Score minus 40 points = 248 points
Then to be fair to KP_F... a 120 point bonus to take him up to 251 points which would still be 36 points behind JD.

Does that sound too tempting or too unfair?

However, I must have your selections in before the next run is scored / wicket falls / catch taken.

Otherwise, any latecomers will just start on 248 points even if Rory Burns is closing in on a century. Smile
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:21 am

From Mind the windows Tino. To Pal Joey, Today at 18:59 AEST

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Ok sure!

Batters -

Watling/Nichols & Root/Pope

Bowlers -

Southee/Jamieson & Robinson/Anderson

Fielders -

Taylor & Sibley

Keeper - Watling

Have I missed anything?

Thanks Tino.
Just the winner needed... or "draw"
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:40 am

Pal Joey wrote:From Mind the windows Tino. To Pal Joey, Today at 18:59 AEST

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Ok sure!

Batters -

Watling/Nichols & Root/Pope

Bowlers -

Southee/Jamieson & Robinson/Anderson

Fielders -

Taylor & Sibley

Keeper - Watling

Have I missed anything?

Thanks Tino.
Just the winner needed... or "draw"

Thanks, Pee Jay.

Let's go for the draw then.

Mind the windows Tino.
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:45 am

OK. Draw it is.

Is your windsock still on its post... or has it blown away towards Essex?

You start on 248 points as per above.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:56 am

PJ I have no idea how you're calculating all this, but top work as ever.

Be glad for normal scoring in the 2nd test I bet? Very Happy
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Post by Duty281 Fri 04 Jun 2021, 10:57 am

1) Lawrence, Bracey, Anderson, Wood
Watling, Williamson, Jamieson, Wagner

2) Burns and Taylor

3) Bracey

4) NZ win

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 11:10 am

Thanks Duty. It took a while but we got there! Laugh

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:PJ I have no idea how you're calculating all this, but top work as ever.

Be glad for normal scoring in the 2nd test I bet? Very Happy

Yes, for sure.
Thanks Olly. I have no idea either... but I think it should work now and it's great to have some more members on board.
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Post by alfie Fri 04 Jun 2021, 11:31 am

Not going to even try to get my head around the scoring ... But I'm sure you have it working well , PJ ; and since it has me in second spot at present (not sure how) I am in favour of the system Smile

Expecting a protest from KP_fan though ...

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 11:39 am

KP_fan should be happy. I'm expecting a bar of Swiss gold in my bank account shortly. Smile

Seems to be OK for now. I've just plugged in Tino's and Duty's picks... then add/subtract whatever it is to make 248 points. Need to remember to switch Conway's discounted cell back to the normal one; then simply subtract the 20 points to make it the 180 (from the 'live' 200) as calculated above.

For the bowlers it's simply a matter of -20, -40 or -60 but from now on it should be business as usual.
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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 11:49 am

So the adjusted table looks like this now.

Points Table
1st Test, Day 2:

348 James
322 Alfie
319 Pal Joey
307 Olly
300 Soul Requiem
291 JDizzle*
251 KP_Fan
248 Tino
248 Duty
248 Guildfordbat

Average Score: 292 (average back to 288 but we'll leave you there JD)  Wink

* also adjusted JD's score to 291. One below average as before... and a neat 40 above KP_Fan.


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Post by JDizzle Fri 04 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm

Keep adjusting PJ! And I might keep climbing.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 12:57 pm

Nice boundary JD! That sizzled across the dry outfield. Smile
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Post by guildfordbat Fri 04 Jun 2021, 1:05 pm

Sorry about being late to the party - hope, I'm in time, here goes!

England
Root, Pope.
Anderson, Robinson.

New Zealand
Conway, Nichols.
Southee, Jamieson.

Fielders - Sibley, Williamson.

WK - Watling.

NZ win.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 1:41 pm

So glad you're here, Guildford. I must admit I was starting to get a little worried.  Smile
I'll get you up there on the board with 248 points... only 3 behind KP_Fan.

I've just been watching "Spinwash '93"... they had such colourful times touring India. The creme caramel eating contest was one of the non-cricketing highlights for me. Long live the King!  Laugh

It really hits home just how difficult it must be to tour there. So many things can go wrong (and did) but at least they had an action-packed fun-filled time with plenty of laughs (and tears) along the way. It was still quite an achievement in my mind despite the end result. Felt sorry for David Gower and his non-selection.. they most probably could have used him over there.
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Post by king_carlos Fri 04 Jun 2021, 4:00 pm

Sorry being late. Great work as always, Joey.

England
Root, Bracey
Broad, Wood

New Zealand
Williamson, Conway
Jamieson, Southee

Fielders - Pope and Williamson

Keeper - Watling

England to win - feeling optimistic rather than confident!

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 04 Jun 2021, 4:16 pm

Thanks KC. I'll add you to the table at 248 points as well.
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 06 Jun 2021, 9:25 am

Points Table
1st Test, Day 4:

691 James [343]
635 Tino [387]
633 Guildfordbat [385]
588 Soul Requiem [288]
576 KP_Fan [325]
555 Olly [248]
532 King Carlos [284]
521 Pal Joey [202]
491 JDizzle [200]
425 Alfie [103]
344 Duty [96]

Average score: 545 [260]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average score


Notes:

It was a pity nobody had Rory Burns but quite a few had Southee and thus earned some big points for his 6-wicket haul. 120+50+35=205 points.

Conway made over 10 runs before getting out in his 2nd innings; otherwise I would have looked very silly applying the "75 point penalty".
Although Tino, KP_Fan and Duty might disagree.  Wink

Alfie and Tino stand to benefit an extra 50 points if we end up with a draw at the close of play today.
King Carlos and JD have opted for an England win and will earn 50 points if that result eventuates.
The rest of us are backing the Kiwis to perform some sort of major miracle.
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Post by alfie Sun 06 Jun 2021, 12:03 pm

Aargh !  Second to second last in the blink of an eye...

Suddenly I don't like the formula half as much. Smile

Serve me right for picking the wrong England opener...

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Post by Pal Joey Mon 07 Jun 2021, 9:33 am

Points Table
1st Test, Day 5:

848 Tino [213] # *
844 James [153] *
781 Guildfordbat [148] *
753 Soul Requiem [165] *
705 KP_Fan [129] *
691 Pal Joey [170] *
682 Alfie [258] # *
657 King Carlos [125] *
648 Olly [93] *
604 JDizzle [113] *
477 Duty [133] *

Average score: 699 [155]

# Correct pick Draw = 50 points
* Equal dismissals = 25 points (Watling: 3 caught behinds; Bracey: 3 caught behinds)

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average score


Notes:

It's extremely close at the top of the table with Tino only 4 points ahead of James. Well done to the both of you!  clap
Congratulations to both Tino and Alfie who correctly picked the draw and earned 50 points.
We all scored 25 points for the wicket keepers who took the same number of dismissals.
Alfie also picked up a tidy 60 points with Sibley on the final day. The only one of us to do so. Smile
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Mon 07 Jun 2021, 9:56 am

Pal Joey wrote:

It's extremely close at the top of the table with Tino only 4 points ahead of James. Well done to the both of you!  clap
Congratulations to both Tino and Alfie who correctly picked the draw and earned 50 points.

Just end the competition now, Pee Jay. No one cares about the second test anyway.

Great stuff as ever, champ.

Flawless formula and you've gone right back to the top of my favourite poster list.

Mind the windows Tino.
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Post by Pal Joey Mon 07 Jun 2021, 10:07 am

Thanks a tonne, Tino.

The formula, being far from perfect, had me on edge at times.

Great to see you right up there.
The pressure is now on you to set the pace for the next 2 matches!

* * * * * * * * * *

My Special Team Scores after the 1st Test are as follows:

England:
935 - average player score 85.00

New Zealand:
1039 - average player score 94.45

Top 8 Individual Player Scores: (using special formula for bonuses, catches, run outs, wk dismissals)

268 Conway
238 Southee
207 Robinson
202 Burns
109 Nicholls
102 Root
94 Jamieson
85 Sibley

Followed by: Wood (80), Watling (76), Wagner (75), Anderson (73), Taylor (72), Pope (67).
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Post by Pal Joey Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:38 am

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
From Mind the windows Tino. To Pal Joey, Yesterday at 22:12

Test 2 picks -

Batters -
WilliamsonTaylor/Nichols & Root/Burns

Bowlers -
Southee/Jamieson/Boult (then Wagner) & Broad/Anderson

Fielders -
Taylor & Root

Keeper - Watling

Toss - England
Win - England

If any of the team is different (particularly the England bowlers) I'll change it tomorrow.


Williamson out so I'll replace him with Taylor please.
If Southee doesn't play I'll have Boult in place of him. If Boult doesn't play, I'll have Wagner (if only for the music).
I'll let you know the England bowlers I'm selecting before 11:00 tomorrow.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:39 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Cheers PJ

I will go for

Pope, Lawrence. Robinson, Anderson
Williamson, Conway (currently 182*), Jamieson (just out), Wagner

Sibley, Taylor

Watling

NZ Win

PJ for the 2nd test I will go with

Root, Pope, Leach, Anderson
Taylor, Nicholls, Boult, Jamieson

Sibley, Taylor

Watling

Eng win
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Post by Duty281 Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:49 am

I will go for:

Sibley, Root, Broad, Leach
Conway, Nicholls, Jamieson, Henry

Burns and Taylor as fielders.

Bracey

NZ win (both the match and the toss if necessary).

Thanks. thumbsup

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Post by James100 Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:50 am

Test 2 I'll go for

Root, Pope, Anderson, Broad
Latham, Nicholls, Boult, Jamieson

Root, Latham

Watling

NZ win

Chees PJ!

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:50 am

England: Root, Pope, Overton (Stone), Broad
NZ: Conway, Nicholls, Boult, Jamieson (Wagner)

Fielders: Root / Taylor

w/k: Watling

Toss: NZ / bat

Win: NZ
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Post by James100 Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:51 am

Didn't realise we are doing toss - NZ win and bat

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Post by guildfordbat Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:54 am

Hi Joey - here goes for today's Test!

England
Root, Pope.
Anderson, Broad (Leach first reserve).

New Zealand
Conway, Nicholls.
Wagner, Jamieson (Boult first reserve)

Fielders - Root, Taylor.

WK - Watling.

Eng win.

PS Root wins toss and Eng bat.


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Post by Pal Joey Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:54 am

Thanks Olly, Duty and James.  OK

Olly and James - the toss and captain's decision?
Duty - assuming if NZ win toss - they bat... no brainer, huh?  Smile

Also remember this one is worth 100 points for win /draw correct pick.

Cheers Guildford.
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Post by Duty281 Thu 10 Jun 2021, 9:55 am

Ah yes, win the toss and bat. OK

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