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Post by sirfredperry Fri 25 Jun 2021, 5:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

The draw is out for Wimbledon, with defending champ Djoko opening against GB's Jack Draper.

Djoko is, of course, clear favourite and won't have to play Rafa or Thiem who have had to drop out along with, among others, Raonic and Stan the Man.

Federer opens against Mannarino and could play Gasquet in round two and Cameron Norrie in the third round. More importantly, Roger is in the bottom half of the draw and away from Djoko.

Andy Murray, who could have been drawn against any of the top seeds, has got 24th seed Basilashvili which won't be easy but could have been even tougher.

Dan Evans, seeded 22nd, could be up against it. He plays grass-court specialist Feliciano Lopez in the opening round. An intriguing round one match is Kyrgios v Humbert who won in Halle.

No one can be sure how Federer will play. He does not have too difficult a start and may be able to run into some form for the later, harder matches. Berrettini, seeded 7, could be a handful if his Queen's form carries on. Difficult to look beyond Djoko, although Novak could face Anderson in round two.

As mentioned in the previous topic 2019 champ Halep is not fit enough to start. Practically impossible to predict a woman's winner. Gauff could go deep. Kvitova and Kerber, two previous SW19 champs, seem to have run into some grass-court form as does 2017 French champion Ostapenko, who has reached a Wimbledon semi before.

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Post by No name Bertie Fri 09 Jul 2021, 6:38 pm

Djokovic gave up 8 break points but saved 7 of them.  Shapovalov gave up 3 break points but only saved one of them.  Djokovic served four double faults - two resulted in him going a break down early in the first set.  Shapovalov served two double faults - one to lose the first set, and the other at break point on his service game to go 5-6 down  in the second set - and Djokovic served out for the second set.

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Post by lags72 Fri 09 Jul 2021, 6:55 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Lags72. I probably have been a bit unfair to Berrettini. He's adapted well to the grass, his slice is good, his serving is tremendous.

But he still strikes me as a guy in the Isner/Anderson bracket. He's never going to be top 5 - not with such a poor BH.

 

Hmm …… I’ll be keen to see where he’s sitting in a year or so. He’s currently less than 2000 points outside the Top Five …….. and that’s not exactly a monstrous gap to close. (Just sayin ………)

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Post by No name Bertie Fri 09 Jul 2021, 7:01 pm

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray from an early age regularly reached quarter finals and semi-finals at grand slams over an extended period.  None of the nextgen have achieved that level of consistency.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 09 Jul 2021, 7:24 pm

It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 09 Jul 2021, 7:26 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.

This is so very true, does anyone think Djokovic is getting close to Sampras on grass in the 90s? Agassi couldn't.

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Post by No name Bertie Fri 09 Jul 2021, 8:08 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow ... .
I think Racquet technology has been the biggest factor. Also as players got bigger taller heavier more physical they had to use tougher grass. Three of the slams used to be grass - but eventually only Wimbledon remained while the grass season became incredibly short.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 09 Jul 2021, 8:14 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow ... .
I think Racquet technology has been the biggest factor.   Also as players got bigger taller heavier more physical they had to use tougher grass.  Three of the slams used to be grass - but eventually only Wimbledon remained while the grass season became incredibly short.

Racquet technology doesn't make the ball sit up in a way it shouldn't on grass. Without that added bounce the single backhand is harder to counteract.

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Post by sirfredperry Fri 09 Jul 2021, 9:23 pm

Let's hope this Wimbledon is a one off in terms of quality and standards.

The pandemic and its special demands have certainly led to some surprising results this year. Perhaps we can put that forward as a possible reason for the lacklustre performance on the grass by a number of big names.


May be, too, you can chuck in the fact that there has been no grass-court play for two years and the French ate up one of the weeks between RG and SW19.

Djoko was probably going to win this whoever he was up against. But he's hardly been tested and I can't see Berrettini doing much on Sunday once he sees a lot of his serves coming back at him.

There's been no Rafa or Thiem. Federer played error-strewn tennis, Murray couldn't get far, Tsitsipas couldn't get past round one, Zverev couldn't serve, Medvedev couldn't get past Hurkacz who was good knocking out Fed but then came out with a match-losing 11-game meltdown.

In the women Barty will probably win it having played, until the Kerber match, some rather ordinary stuff. Raducanu was a breath of fresh air, Kerber played well but there were few memorable encounters.


I really enjoyed watching the first few days, more for atmosphere and the joy of having the tournament up and running again. But too often I've been staggered at the poor shotmaking and also the poor decision-making.



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Post by slashermcguirk Fri 09 Jul 2021, 9:51 pm

Yes so average???? Only beat federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, nadal in a final and semi and beaten countless other super grass court players. But yeah totally average grass court player :-)

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.

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Post by Henman Bill Fri 09 Jul 2021, 10:06 pm

Djokovic would have done OK at 90s Wimbledon because he is such a good player full stop, and because he would have been better able to return fast serves better than most, and he would have been a clutch player that would have had no problem making passing shots at big moments when others came to the net.

Players who are fundamentally great have the ability to adapt and I think he would have focused on making his first serve tougher and better given its greater importance in the day, and perhaps played from the baseline on the second serve, just coming into the net when he was in a strong position in the rally rather than all the time. Because he isn't the most natural volleyer which probably would have stopped him winning 5 titles in the 1990s. But I'm sure he could have practised it.

I think Djokovic would have won at least 1 Wimbledon in the 1990s. If Cedric Pioline and Malavai Washington could make a final then, surely Djokovic could have won titles. Agassi won Wimbledon and got to 2 finals and several semis, as a returner and baseline with no power serve who didn't even like Wimbledon and a lot of years either turned up disinterested or didn't even bother to play. It's hard to think of areas of Agassi's game that were dramatically superior to Djokovic's in the context of Wimbledon.


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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 09 Jul 2021, 10:09 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Let's hope this Wimbledon is a one off in terms of quality and standards.

The pandemic and its special demands have certainly led to some surprising results this year. Perhaps we can put that forward as a possible reason for the lacklustre performance on the grass by a number of big names.


May be, too, you can chuck in the fact that there has been no grass-court play for two years and the French ate up one of the weeks between RG and SW19.

Djoko was probably going to win this whoever he was up against. But he's hardly been tested and I can't see Berrettini doing much on Sunday once he sees a lot of his serves coming back at him.

There's been no Rafa or Thiem. Federer played error-strewn tennis, Murray couldn't get far, Tsitsipas couldn't get past round one, Zverev couldn't serve, Medvedev couldn't get past Hurkacz who was good knocking out Fed but then came out with a match-losing 11-game meltdown.

In the women Barty will probably win it having played, until the Kerber match, some rather ordinary stuff. Raducanu was a breath of fresh air, Kerber played well but there were few memorable encounters.


I really enjoyed watching the first few days, more for atmosphere and the joy of having the tournament up and running again. But too often I've been staggered at the poor shotmaking and also the poor decision-making.



Was this year any worse than 2017 where the semi-finalists were Querry, Cilic, Berdych and Federer. Rafa lost to Muller (who?), Murray lost to Querry (never been in the top 10), Djoko injured, Warwinka lost in the first round etc.

Edit - or 2016, where Murray beat Raonic in the final. Raonic has won 8 tournaments in his career. That's 3 more than Berrettini. Are they really that much different in quality?

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Post by Galted Fri 09 Jul 2021, 10:31 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Raducanu was a breath of fresh air, Kerber played well but there were few memorable encounters.


Unfortunate choice of words.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 10 Jul 2021, 12:46 am

slashermcguirk wrote:Yes so average???? Only beat federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, nadal in a final and semi and beaten countless other super grass court players. But yeah totally average grass court player :-)

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.
Djokovic beat Federer aged 32(2014), 33(2015) and 37(2019). Two of those where life and death 5 setters against a player past his prime. Hardly an achievement to tell the grandchildren is it?

Federer’s prime on grass was so great they had to slow the courts down to end his domination. The slower courts allowed a vastly inferior Djokovic to cash in his blank cheques.

A few hollow wins over Federer are irrelevant.

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Post by laverfan Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:23 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:
slashermcguirk wrote:Yes so average???? Only beat federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, nadal in a final and semi and beaten countless other super grass court players. But yeah totally average grass court player :-)

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.
Djokovic beat Federer aged 32(2014), 33(2015) and 37(2019). Two of those where life and death 5 setters against a player past his prime.

This is a bit unfair to Djokovic. If you leave 2008 out due Federer's health, it still leaves 2007 Canada, 2010 and 2011 USO as loses, when Federer was (26, 29 and 30, respectively) playing very well. The 2019 W loss to Djokovic was not a good thing for Federer.

Jeff Navarro wrote:Hardly an achievement to tell the grandchildren is it? Federer’s prime on grass was so great they had to slow the courts down to end his domination. The slower courts allowed a vastly inferior Djokovic to cash in his blank cheques.  A few hollow wins over Federer are irrelevant.

From Tennis: Serve-and-volley a lost art as grass loses its menace

Neil Stubley, the All England Club’s head groundsman, makes no apology for spoiling his fun.

“Back in the day, you would have players actually aiming for the scuffed up areas near the T because they knew it would check and the ball would bounce oddly,” he told Reuters.

“I would hate it if we got to a men’s or women’s final and the court was involved in winning that point.”

He rejects the notion his courts have been slowed down. “I think now it’s the firmer bounce,” he said.

“It appears slower but what it actually is is the bounce giving players that extra tenth of a second to react.”

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 5:19 am

If the ball is bouncing more and giving players more time to react then the court is by definition slower. They slowed the courts down in order to lengthen matches and therefore maximise advertising revenue.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 8:41 am

Barty clear favourite for today's final. This is Pliskova's first GS title match** and although she has a chance I'm going with the Australian.

Inconsistency among the women, and the absence of the likes of Halep and Osaka, has led to a spate of Slams won by different players.

Inconsistency among the men has led to a spate of Slams won by....Djoko.

Just when you think someone  - Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas - can emerge to challenge the old order, they fall back and leave Novak or Rafa to sweep up the big titles.

I gave up watching the Djoko semi after Denis tossed sway the first set, By all accounts the Canadian played well but couldn't take the BPs.

Shapo is great to watch but I wonder whether he's destined to be remembered as a great shotmaker rather than a great player.

** I'm wrong. She got to the final at the USO in 2016 losing a three-setter to Kerber.

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 12:46 pm

You are talking utter nonsense. In those 2014 and 2015 Wimbledon’s federer was still playing his top tennis and had wins over the likes of Murray on centre court. Federer during his early years was facing weaker opponents and even Nadal beat him in 2008 and he was supposedly the ‘clay courter’. Nadal took him to 5 sets in 2007 too.

Federer fans just can’t accept how good Djokovic is, pretty lame to be honest


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slashermcguirk wrote:Yes so average???? Only beat federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, nadal in a final and semi and beaten countless other super grass court players. But yeah totally average grass court player :-)

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.
Djokovic beat Federer aged 32(2014), 33(2015) and 37(2019). Two of those where life and death 5 setters against a player past his prime. Hardly an achievement to tell the grandchildren is it?

Federer’s prime on grass was so great they had to slow the courts down to end his domination. The slower courts allowed a vastly inferior Djokovic to cash in his blank cheques.

A few hollow wins over Federer are irrelevant.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:03 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:You are talking utter nonsense. In those 2014 and 2015 Wimbledon’s federer was still playing his top tennis and had wins over the likes of Murray on centre court. Federer during his early years was facing weaker opponents and even Nadal beat him in 2008 and he was supposedly the ‘clay courter’. Nadal took him to 5 sets in 2007 too.

Federer fans just can’t accept how good Djokovic is, pretty lame to be honest


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slashermcguirk wrote:Yes so average???? Only beat federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, nadal in a final and semi and beaten countless other super grass court players. But yeah totally average grass court player :-)

Jeff Navarro wrote:It’s a shame they’ve made grass courts so slow that someone like Djokovic can pretend to be good on the surface.
Djokovic is an average player on grass. Literally doesn’t hold a candle to Federer or Murray on this surface.
It’s embarrassing he’s got 5, undeserved, Wimbledon trophies.
Djokovic beat Federer aged 32(2014), 33(2015) and 37(2019). Two of those where life and death 5 setters against a player past his prime. Hardly an achievement to tell the grandchildren is it?

Federer’s prime on grass was so great they had to slow the courts down to end his domination. The slower courts allowed a vastly inferior Djokovic to cash in his blank cheques.

A few hollow wins over Federer are irrelevant.

You'll get over it I'm sure. Federer playing his top tennis in 2014? He's not played his top tennis for ten years now which highlights the dearth of talent around at the moment. Djokovic is a top player but Wimbledon longer plays like a true grass court, from a financial standpoint it makes sense but from a sporting one it does not.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:18 pm

Love the delusional Djokovic fans ‘even Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon’
Same Nadal that made 5 Wimbledon finals in 6 years? Yeah really a lame opponent. The hapless Djokovic hasn’t achieved that.

Federer’s incredible natural ability means he’s competitive on grass despite long being past his prime which ended around 2008/09 - despite still winning Wimbledon in 2009.

Djokovic is mediocre grass court player. Can’t volley and the only reason he’s cashed in is only due to courts being slower than anything we’ve ever before.

On proper fast grass courts Djokovic wouldn’t even make the quarter finals. Period.

Djokovic had the good fortune that to stop Federer that had to ruin the courts.

Federer > Djokovic not even a debate

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:43 pm

Funny how Djokovic was already beating federer in slams as early as 2008 when he was a kid. But sure you are right :-) also quite telling that Nadal when asked who his toughest ever opponent is said Djokovic several times. I am inclined to think he knows better than anyone. Nadal said Djokovic peak level is the highest level he has ever faced, why would he say that?

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:54 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Funny how Djokovic was already beating federer in slams as early as 2008 when he was a kid. But sure you are right :-) also quite telling that Nadal when asked who his toughest ever opponent is said Djokovic several times. I am inclined to think he knows better than anyone. Nadal said Djokovic peak level is the highest level he has ever faced, why would he say that?

Ignoring the points being made as usual, why do you get so upset when Djokovic is critiqued?

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:54 pm

Federer was still in prime in 2011 and guess what Djokovic beat him in US Open 2010, Australian open 2011, US open 2011. In fact the last time Federer beat Djokovic in a Slam was 2012.

Both great players but look at the players Federer was beating in his so called ‘prime’…..baghdatis, Philippousis, roddick, older Hewitt, gonzalez, Agassi on the verge of retirement . Even when he won his only French he avoided Nadal.

Jeff Navarro wrote:Love the delusional Djokovic fans ‘even Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon’
Same Nadal that made 5 Wimbledon finals in 6 years? Yeah really a lame opponent. The hapless Djokovic hasn’t achieved that.

Federer’s incredible natural ability means he’s competitive on grass despite long being past his prime which ended around 2008/09 - despite still winning Wimbledon in 2009.

Djokovic is mediocre grass court player. Can’t volley and the only reason he’s cashed in is only due to courts being slower than anything we’ve ever before.

On proper fast grass courts Djokovic wouldn’t even make the quarter finals. Period.

Djokovic had the good fortune that to stop Federer that had to ruin the courts.

Federer > Djokovic not even a debate

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:55 pm

Just stating facts, which federer fans never like :-)

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slashermcguirk wrote:Funny how Djokovic was already beating federer in slams as early as 2008 when he was a kid. But sure you are right :-) also quite telling that Nadal when asked who his toughest ever opponent is said Djokovic several times. I am inclined to think he knows better than anyone. Nadal said Djokovic peak level is the highest level he has ever faced, why would he say that?

Ignoring the points being made as usual, why do you get so upset when Djokovic is critiqued?

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 10 Jul 2021, 1:57 pm

‘Federer was in his prime in 2011’. Lost any credibility.
Djokovic cashed in after Federer declined.
Slow courts means skill isn’t needed. Just fitness. That’s not tennis.

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:04 pm

How convenient, discount everything when Nadal, Djokovic and Murray started playing their best and Federer was only 29 to 30. Really getting desperate now

Jeff Navarro wrote:‘Federer was in his prime in 2011’. Lost any credibility.
Djokovic cashed in after Federer declined.
Slow courts means skill isn’t needed. Just fitness. That’s not tennis.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:05 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Just stating facts, which federer fans never like :-)

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slashermcguirk wrote:Funny how Djokovic was already beating federer in slams as early as 2008 when he was a kid. But sure you are right :-) also quite telling that Nadal when asked who his toughest ever opponent is said Djokovic several times. I am inclined to think he knows better than anyone. Nadal said Djokovic peak level is the highest level he has ever faced, why would he say that?

Ignoring the points being made as usual, why do you get so upset when Djokovic is critiqued?

You're stating opinions in actuality. Like Federer won 16 grand slams during his prime compared to 12 for Djokovic. The pair of them have benefited in recent years from injuries to others most notably Murray, that in itself was probably worth a couple of grand slams for both.

If we're talking about winning slam finals against Hewitt let's not ignore the likes of Medvedev, Tsitsipas or Berrettini tomorrow. Baghdatis was a very good player, at the time at a level higher than the aforementioned, they may progress in time however. Winning 20 grand slams whoever you are relies on a dip in overall quality which helps extend careers.

It's very difficult to compare eras, is Djokovic beating Sampras at Wimbledon in the 90's? Unlikely for me but at the same time Sampras wouldn't stand a chance on the current courts beyond week one. I felt for a few years that Federer's elevated seeding worked against him, preferably he wants to face Djokovic early when the courts play slightly quicker.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:15 pm

Not too great a start from Pliskova. She loses the first 12 points.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:19 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:How convenient, discount everything when Nadal, Djokovic and Murray started playing their best and Federer was only 29 to 30. Really getting desperate now

Jeff Navarro wrote:‘Federer was in his prime in 2011’. Lost any credibility.
Djokovic cashed in after Federer declined.
Slow courts means skill isn’t needed. Just fitness. That’s not tennis.
Djokovic is a fraud. Slow courts made his irrelevant life relevant.
Djokovic’s lack of talent is summed up how he’s never had the talent to win Queens or Halle, considerably quicker grass courts.
Djokovic could con his way to 25 majors but he’ll always be second rate.
Anyone that relies on gamesmanship and cheating to win shows the lack of character.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm

The grass was changed at Wimby before Fed had won there - 2002 I think, or maybe for the 2003 Wimby. They weren't changed to stop Fed winning or to help Nadal, as Nadal was about 16 or 17 when the grass was changed.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:27 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:The grass was changed at Wimby before Fed had won there - 2002 I think, or maybe for the 2003 Wimby. They weren't changed to stop Fed winning or to help Nadal, as Nadal was about 16 or 17 when the grass was changed.

It was changed before the 2002 tournament I believe which does explain going from a Ivanisevic/Rafter final to Hewitt/Nalbandian. It signified a definite shift from the single backhand serve volley style to the baseliners.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:33 pm

Yes, a definite shift - part of the evolution of tennis. There are a number of articles/interviews online with the head groundskeepers at the time explaining the reasons and the effect of the grass change. The serve/snore fests of the likes of Ivanisevic, Krijacek etc, where the points lasted 1 or 2 shots were probably one reason, even though that was never stated, as far as I know.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:41 pm

Back at the actual tennis....First set Barty 6-3. Fairly error-strewn from both players.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:45 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Yes, a definite shift - part of the evolution of tennis. There are a number of articles/interviews online with the head groundskeepers at the time explaining the reasons and the effect of the grass change. The serve/snore fests of the likes of Ivanisevic, Krijacek etc, where the points lasted 1 or 2 shots were probably one reason, even though that was never stated, as far as I know.

I actually preferred Wimbledon back in the 90's when a big serve was key, if you wanted long rallies you had the French with the hard courts in between. I don't think it's done tennis any favours by slowing down the grass, it makes every match on every surface very similar.

I for one preferred Federers epic against Roddick to the Nadal match, I want to see attacking rather than conservative tennis.

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 2:56 pm

Barty was looking likely to get this done quickly...but Pliskova is fighting back in this second set. Break back now and it's 3-3.

Would be a good time for her now to hold serve - which she's rather struggled to do so far...

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:15 pm

Oh dear...Pliskova really threw away that eleventh game there ! And the match , I think .

Reckon Barty will serve it out now...

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:18 pm

Ouch ! Jinxed her Smile

Tie break up...probably the right result for a pretty even set.

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:26 pm

Wow...this changed fast. Pliskova dominates the tie break and we go to a third set decider...

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm

One set all. Quite dreadful match, really, full of DFs and UEs.

I like the way Barty plays - it's not all bish-bash, with plenty of slices. But she has to be about the worst number one ever and this final is hardly a great advert for women's tennis.

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:34 pm

That's a little bit harsh , Sir Fred ! She's no Graf , Williams or Navratilova...but she's a real fighter and as good as any going around right now.

Plus she's a staunch supporter of my Richmond Tigers so I'm hoping she can bring this off even if it won't go down in history for highlights...

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:37 pm

Just when you think it can't get much worse, Pliskova plays a horror service game to go a break down early in the third.

It's a real thud and blunder encounter...

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 3:48 pm

Barty leads 4-1 now...

True it's been more memorable for Pliskova errors than her own brilliance but with my Australian hat on I will happily take this if she can close it out from here. Not that it's guaranteed yet , of course.

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:00 pm

Pliskova for all her errors ain't going down without a fight...5-3


Ash has to serve this out...

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Post by Pal Joey Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:04 pm

Well done Ash! Yahoo
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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:04 pm

Barty wins.

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Post by alfie Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:07 pm

Got there in the end...not the prettiest way to win but after a 41 year wait for an Australian win in this she is entitled to celebrate thumbsup

6-3 in the third. Her second GS. Couldn't happen to a nicer sportsperson either. Well done Ash clap

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:09 pm

Aside from the debate about the quality of the match, very pleased for Barty who comes across as a really nice, down-to-earth person.

She can now add Wimbledon to the French title.

But it was about the worst-standard final I've seen. Time and again players made basic errors.

The sooner the likes of Halep and Osaka return to the court, the better.

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Post by Atila Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:24 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Aside from the debate about the quality of the match, very pleased for Barty who comes across as a really nice, down-to-earth person.

She can now add Wimbledon to the French title.

But it was about the worst-standard final I've seen. Time and again players made basic errors.

The sooner the likes of Halep and Osaka return to the court, the better.
Osaka's AO win in the final was pretty scrappy too I thought.

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Post by slashermcguirk Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:42 pm

I don’t bother with the women’s tennis anymore, it’s been so abysmal since about 10 years ago. Once Henin and others left the scene it’s been an absolute joke. Atrocious weather for women’s tennis

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 10 Jul 2021, 4:47 pm

Whether it's lack of grass court play or just lack of any play, I don't know: but some of the tennis at Wimbledon has been dire.

Zverev's constant DFs, the awful start by Pliskova today, the Hurkacz meltdown in the semis, the continuing fault of hitting the ball just to where your opponent is standing instead of cracking it into the open court.

Then there is...the awful volleying, the terrible drive-volleying (Barty hit a dreadful one at 30-all serving for the match) the lack of lobbing.

Yes, you're bound to get UEs in matches. But some of the encounters have seen error after error.

Sorry to sound off in such a pessimistic fashion but some of the play has had me screaming at the TV.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Jul 2021, 5:05 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:I don’t bother with the women’s tennis anymore, it’s been so abysmal since about 10 years ago. Once Henin and others left the scene it’s been an absolute joke. Atrocious weather for women’s tennis

We agree on something Slasher, i really enjoyed watching Henin play as well as Mauresmo, was a pleasant break from the usual power hitting.

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