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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:21 pm

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beninho wrote:Should we be there?

Well if you dont mind whats happening now and support sharia law then I guess not.

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Post by JAS Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:13 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Afghanistan have/had a women's football team that was formed in 2007 fast forward to today and there's been a worldwide effort to get as many female athletes out of the country as possible. It may not have been the reason for the war but freedom and democracy were pleasant side effects.

...and it's easy to say in retrospect "What did they expect?" but maybe back in the day their optimism may have been justified. However given the events of last November through January though the US should no longer be considered the poster boy for promoting democracy around the world.

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Post by beninho Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:54 pm

If Man Utd sign Ronaldo, is such a panic buy because he was linked to City. He's a pale imitation of how he used to be. He's old, and he didn't look good in the Euros. He's still good, but I'm not sure how good. I don't think he'd be breat at 25m and silly wages for anyone who signs him.

*I appreciate that I could be shown very wrong.

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Post by JAS Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:56 pm

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super_realist wrote:What data are they using which in any way inconveniences me?
Havent you got multiple emails for specific uses?

Don't know about inconveniencing you but if people are going to make money off how we use the internet it would be good to be able to set the terms if we are not actually going to get paid for it.

As for the multiple email thing, no. I have my personal email and work email.

What do you use your multiple email accounts for?

Of course from an idealistic perspective maybe the way forward SHOULD be that if people/companies are going to monetise your personal data (e.g. sell it on for targeted marketing purposes) then maybe, just maybe the individual should have a right to a cut of the notional profit potential. Share the wealth. share the love. OR be able to opt out and say eff off I don't want my data used in that way.

Super's mostly right, that's not what GDPR is about...but my view is there has been a missed opportunity to cover those aspects. The use of your data shouldn't be a perpetual game of cat and mouse. If someone is using your data for commercial gain without your explicit permission then they should pay you for it. Furthermore, It should not be the case that because you've accidentally missed ticking or unticking a box on a form that you should then get bombarded about some fictional accident you've apparently had.

GDPR is general takes a laudable concept and screws it senseless with the current manifestation. For example

In Oracle systems it's notoriously difficult to cleanly delete personal data so convention had been that it gets held. The trouble starts to come when you want to hold it in multiple places e.g. test systems. Now in the case of payroll systems that's kind of a sensible thing to do, if there's some sort of error that needs a data fix, it's eminently sensible to implement in a Test System to check that the fix has worked in all the ways that it is supposed to before implementing in a live production system.

With GDPR IT Systems owners now have to justify that usage (via a DPIA) so that you can demonstrate to the ICO things like Legitimate Interest in holding that data and that access to it is well controlled and auditable. Most IT organisations managed this sort of thing perfectly well without the need for DPIA long before GDPR came along, now it's an extra layer of red tape that gives a disgruntled ex-employee a potential option to sue the @rse off a former employer. Of course the counterbalance to that is that there's also always the danger that a hacker can break in and harvest data and sell it on and some big companies have been stung in that way, BA & TSB being examples and have quite rightly been absolutely hammered by the ICO.

So all in all I've got mixed feelings about GDPR, it undoubtedly has its uses, it also has shortcomings and it adds a layer of red tape that most didn't need but I suppose the many have to suffer due to a few cowboys.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:17 pm

beninho wrote:If Man Utd sign Ronaldo, is such a panic buy because he was linked to City. He's a pale imitation of how he used to be. He's old, and he didn't look good in the Euros. He's still good, but I'm not sure how good. I don't think he'd be breat at 25m and silly wages for anyone who signs him.

*I appreciate that I could be shown very wrong.

He's being bought for marketing profits, the football side matters very little.

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Post by dynamark Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:37 pm

Shirts shirts and shirts plus hes still a bit better than me at yer footy .Mate told me yesterday that New York Yankees shirts are over £100 in the club shop when he was over there

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Post by dynamark Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:47 pm

Looks like its)ron) a runner Should be good all round

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Post by super_realist Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:56 pm

dynamark wrote:Shirts shirts and shirts plus hes still a bit better than me at yer footy .Mate told me yesterday that New York Yankees shirts are over £100 in the club shop when he was over there

A fool and their money is easily parted. Frightful garments

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Post by beninho Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:05 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/mar/06/lionel-messi-cristiano-ronaldo-albatrosses-juventus-barcelona

Good article from a few mo ths back. Ronaldo just doesn't fit into modern football, he doesn't run or move much. It will be interesting how it turns out at United, but I fear its a case of signing him hoping old ronaldo turns up.

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Post by westisbest Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:09 pm

Have only bought one football shirt in about 15 years.
Pricey enough.

Fans will always buy their teams shirts(in whatever sport). No bother if that’s what they want to spend their money on.




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Post by super_realist Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:21 pm

beninho wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/mar/06/lionel-messi-cristiano-ronaldo-albatrosses-juventus-barcelona

Good article from a few mo ths back. Ronaldo just doesn't fit into modern football, he doesn't run or move much. It will be interesting how it turns out at United, but I fear its a case of signing him hoping old ronaldo turns up.

Zlatan didnt move much either but did well at Man U, Berbatov was a lazy c**t too.

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Post by super_realist Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:01 pm

America apparently have left $85bn of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
The Taliban now have more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of all countries in the world and they have also left behind all the data of every Afghan who has ever worked for the US.

How does Half Wit Joe explain that away?
You're supposed to destroy, damage, sabotage or booby trap your kit left behind, not arm a backward theocracy who will no doubt sell the helicopters to Russia or China

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Post by lostinwales Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:06 pm

super_realist wrote:America apparently have left $85bn of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
The Taliban now have more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of all countries in the world and they have also left behind all the data of every Afghan who has ever worked for the US.

How does Half Wit Joe explain that away?
You're supposed to destroy, damage, sabotage or booby trap your kit left behind, not arm a backward theocracy who will no doubt sell the helicopters to Russia or China

I had heard that the Taliban have already crashed 3 helicopters. Will be very interesting to see if they can maintain the high tech kit.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:11 am

This bloke and his pets is pretty annoying

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:57 pm

beninho wrote:This bloke and his pets is pretty annoying

Why? There seems to be an effort to push the narrative away from the governmental failures onto this guy, someone who tried everything they could to preserve the animals in his care and help his staff. He even found funding for a flight so its not like he was using government resources (you know, like the plane carrying the car). It seems as if our goverment and the US gov at separate times changed rules which stopped him getting everyone out, and now the failure of that means that his staff have to take their chances with you know who.

I am not sure what else was supposed to happen, what else this man was supposed to do. Would it have been easier if the Taliban had shot him? Made him a western martyr?

In the big scheme of things its irrelevant. Its nothing compared to Raab's and Johnson's holidays. Its nothing compared to the failure of the government to think ahead and plan for this 'unforseen' tragedy that, for instance, had led to France shifting people out for months.

But no. Lets focus on a man who tried and failed to help his staff. Lets even forget about the reasons for that failure.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:04 pm

How did he fail? He, his staff and his animals are out.

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:09 pm

super_realist wrote:How did he fail? He, his staff and his animals are out.

Unless I missheard (and I hope that is the case) his staff are not.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:37 pm

lostinwales wrote:
super_realist wrote:How did he fail? He, his staff and his animals are out.

Unless I missheard (and I hope that is the case) his staff are not.

What sort of sub human would take out animals and not people

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:45 pm

super_realist wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
super_realist wrote:How did he fail? He, his staff and his animals are out.

Unless I missheard (and I hope that is the case) his staff are not.

What sort of sub human would take out animals and not people

Nothing to say it was a question of either/or. Sounds like at the last they didn't let the staff on board. Animals go in the hold anyway.

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Post by beninho Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:52 pm

There's been a lot of time, effort, and resources put into the guy and the pets. Could that have been better used helping others? If he sorted everything himself with no dealings then fine, but I do think think it's true. Also I saw a few weeks back he was in America, yet he still went back to Afghanistan.

And the car, wasn't that some very expensive bit of kit? I'd rather get the good stuff back over some manky old dogs.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:52 pm

I know they do, but for all his posturising that it was about the team it seems that went out the window.
Id prefer the people to be safe instead of a few mangie animals.

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:13 pm

It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:18 pm

lostinwales wrote:It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:01 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

Tumbleweed

Surely you have something else to add? Some carefully thought through witty comment to put me in my place? Some devastating piece of evidence showing that Raab had perfect command of the situation all the way through the current crisis?

No?

hmmm..

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

Tumbleweed

Surely you have something else to add? Some carefully thought through witty comment to put me in my place? Some devastating piece of evidence showing that Raab had perfect command of the situation all the way through the current crisis?

No?

hmmm..

Seeing you so triggered will do for me. I'm not that concerned by what Raab did and didn't do, once Biden decided to follow through with the plan blindly there was little the UK could do. I don't need to put you in your place, you do that yourself perfectly well.

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Post by super_realist Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:25 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

Tumbleweed

Surely you have something else to add? Some carefully thought through witty comment to put me in my place? Some devastating piece of evidence showing that Raab had perfect command of the situation all the way through the current crisis?

No?

hmmm..

Seeing you so triggered will do for me. I'm not that concerned by what Raab did and didn't do, once Biden decided to follow through with the plan blindly there was little the UK could do. I don't need to put you in your place, you do that yourself perfectly well.

Biden is more MAGA than Trump.
Its hard to bemeive that Trump had a better handle on diplomacy than Biden and his advisors have

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Post by lostinwales Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:31 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
lostinwales wrote:It is a feck of a lot less relevant than the sh!t show from the government. That is my biggest concern about all this. That and the demonisation of this guy does nobody any good. Actually tell a lie it does the government some good because it distracts attention.

Now reports that Raab hadn't been talking to anybody. No calls to his opposite numbers in Pakistan or Afghanistan for instance. All this was 'unforseen' because he couldn't be arsed.

Tumbleweed

Surely you have something else to add? Some carefully thought through witty comment to put me in my place? Some devastating piece of evidence showing that Raab had perfect command of the situation all the way through the current crisis?

No?

hmmm..

Seeing you so triggered will do for me. I'm not that concerned by what Raab did and didn't do, once Biden decided to follow through with the plan blindly there was little the UK could do. I don't need to put you in your place, you do that yourself perfectly well.

No worries. I know where my place is relative to you.

Anyway lets get past all that. This isn't about me. This is about the failure of British governmental policy. Of course it is ultimately about what the Americans did or did not do, and in particular the consequences of a deal made under Trump some 18 odd months ago. We know all this. What we don't know is why we were not better prepared when the smelly stuff hit the fan, because what happened was predictable.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:35 pm

I don't think even the worst case scenario had the Taliban gaining control of Kabul so quickly, that put both the US and UK on the back foot. This isn't meant as a criticism of the Afghan military at all but the biggest mistake made was assuming they could stand on their own two feet.

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Post by incontinentia Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:23 pm

The Afghan army are getting off pretty light in terms of blame. Not much the American or British policy could have done if the country's own defence forces are such pushovers. Biden doesnt deserve half the stick he is getting.
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Post by beninho Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:26 pm

The uk government have been pretty poor. But we have an idiot like Raab in charge, so not really a shock.

But, I do t think this will really break through to the general population here or in USA. As shown by swathes of people more taken by the dog person.

Anyway, gove on the marching powder is good.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:04 am

incontinentia wrote:The Afghan army are getting off pretty light in terms of blame. Not much the American or British policy could have done if the country's own defence forces are such pushovers. Biden doesnt deserve half the stick he is getting.

What? He could have handled this much better. If this had been Trump you would have been fuming.
The French got their people out in May, and the US have ledt behind $85bn of kit. If anything Biden hasnt been getting enough stick. Biden has been in since January, he had plenty time to make a better job of this, or like he has done woth most of Trumps policies, he could have reveresed it. By the way, Trump disgraceful for negotiating with the Taliban and not the Afghan government

As for Pen Farthing, if the Civil Service have spent a single second on his animals then that's time and admin that could have been put to better use getting far more important beings out. If anyone thinks an animals life is worth more than a human's, then theyre deranged.

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Post by McLaren Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:16 am

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Post by McLaren Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:21 am

Super

Not sure leaving Black Hawks really matters. Evening assuming the Taliban had somehow set up a training programme for pilots, without a proper maintenance system they would probably only get a few flights out of them before they become obsolete or death traps.
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Post by dynamark Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:57 am

Hes a lad old Mike.I was thinking about the football shirts thing and golfers are just as daft buying yer Galvin Green jackets at £200 plus and Under Armour flimsy shirts at £60 .Even worse in Spain and Portugal- all the gear and no idea !!
I went into the clubs 'refurbished 'clubhouse yesterday which has been shut for about 18 months and it is like no other golf clubhouse on this planet .I used to work in nightclubs and this place is cross between Stringfellows and Trump Tower -gold purple pink ,just missing the glitterball, a red carpet as you enter .It has to be seen to be believed the R and A will be turning in their graves.

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Post by dynamark Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:18 pm

I think you may find that Boris had about 1 hour of his holiday(in this country) which then was cancelled. Huge sums of money have been going into AGStan and that will be the wests main tool in the near future unless the Chinese decide to join in. I have a mate who was out there mid/upper in our military and whilst he doesnt say too much what he does say is very interesting and beyond my wildest imagination.Your mate puts his head up over the wall and boom no head!

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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:36 am

McLaren wrote:Super

Not sure leaving Black Hawks really matters. Evening assuming the Taliban had somehow set up a training programme for pilots, without a proper maintenance system they would probably only get a few flights out of them before they become obsolete or death traps.

They could SELL them to enemies Mac. Have you not thought of that?

Why wouldnt you just throw a few grenades into each and then they can get no benefit? They had all year.

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Post by McLaren Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:36 pm

Super

I agree that blowing them up would have been the super safe way to go.

But who would the sell them to? And again without also selling a maintenance and parts regime they are pretty much useless. Look at all the countries around the world (some pretty well off) that have 4th gen jets sitting idle because they are unable to make them air worthy.

I guess my position is that it would have been a good idea to destroy them but I am not overly worried about the taliban being able to put them to good use.
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Post by beninho Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:52 pm

https://twitter.com/mattletiss7/status/1432616588365242369?s=19

So many cranks. Like the bonkers lot that shout magna carta.

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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:04 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

I agree that blowing them up would have been the super safe way to go.

But who would the sell them to? And again without also selling a maintenance and parts regime they are pretty much useless. Look at all the countries around the world (some pretty well off) that have 4th gen jets sitting idle because they are unable to make them air worthy.

I guess my position is that it would have been a good idea to destroy them but I am not overly worried about the taliban being able to put them to good use.

From a scientific point of view I'm sure China and Russia would be keen to strip them down for the technical knowledge.

What excuse is there for leaving behind data about Afghan collaboraters?

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Post by McLaren Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:07 pm

super_realist wrote:


What excuse is there for leaving behind data about Afghan collaboraters?

Did anyone think that was a good idea? I assume most people think that is pretty unforgivable?


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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:18 pm

McLaren wrote:
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What excuse is there for leaving behind data about Afghan collaboraters?

Did anyone think that was a good idea? I assume most people think that is pretty unforgivable?



Someone was saying that Biden is getting too hard a time over this.
Thats an example of something which shows that any criticism he has received is far too lenient. Not destroying that is inexcusable and as Commander in Chief he is responsible.

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Post by McLaren Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:23 pm

Super

You can't have been paying much attention over the last few decades if you were looking to a US president to do the right thing in a foreign land.
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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:28 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

You can't have been paying much attention over the last few decades if you were looking to a US president to do the right thing in a foreign land.

I dont necessarily, but i dont expect a mistake as obvious as that.
I knlw hes senile, but thats a piss take.

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Post by McLaren Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:38 pm

I guess what you want to be able to do is say that Biden is just as bad as Trump?
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Post by Soul Requiem Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:41 pm

I would somehow say that Biden isn't as awful as Trump whilst at the same time being no better.

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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:43 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:I would somehow say that Biden isn't as awful as Trump whilst at the same time being no better.

Odd, but about right. He's s certainly a terrible President.

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Post by beninho Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:47 pm

Overall, Biden is better then trump, in so many ways. On Afghanistan i don't think Trump would have done any better. But they obviously, s most of America it seems, have the same opinion that it was just get out, no matter what.

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Post by super_realist Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm

beninho wrote:Overall, Biden is better then trump, in so many ways. On Afghanistan i don't think Trump would have done any better. But they obviously,  s most of America it seems, have the same opinion that it was just get out, no matter what.

Being better than Trump is a very low bar indeed, but then again, when did America last have a decent President?

Biden is a bit like Sturgeon, for some reason he seems to avoid the media roasting that he deserves.

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Post by Duty281 Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:09 pm

Biden being a terrible President is of no surprise - he suffers from appalling memory problems and great cognitive impairment, as evidenced through his Presidential 'campaign'. He only 'won' the Democratic nomination in the same way that Clinton did.

American politics is broken.

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Post by Soul Requiem Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:10 pm

beninho wrote:Overall, Biden is better then trump, in so many ways. On Afghanistan i don't think Trump would have done any better. But they obviously,  s most of America it seems, have the same opinion that it was just get out, no matter what.

#whataboutery no?

Trump is a despot and a vile human being, when the bar is so low I don't consider someone equally as incompetent whilst saying the right things to be an improvement per se.

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Post by beninho Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:15 pm

There were better choices then Biden, but he was the best choice to beat Trump. The attacks didn't really hit. He's hardly a lefty socialist. While this is a ckusterfukk I'd still rather see him over the last guy. But a lot of Americans are still wedded to Trumpism.

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