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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 27 Oct 2021, 12:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

England squad for autumn Tests:

Forwards: Jamie Blamire (Newcastle), Callum Chick (Newcastle), Jamie George (Saracens), Tom Curry (Sale), Trevor Davison (Newcastle), Nic Dolly (Leicester), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Leicester), Jonny Hill (Exeter), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton), Lewis Ludlam (Northampton), Joe Marler (Harlequins), George Martin (Leicester), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Kyle Sinckler (Bristol), Will Stuart (Bath), Sam Underhill (Bath)

Backs: Mark Atkinson (Gloucester), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), George Furbank (Northampton), Max Malins (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester), Raffi Quirke (Sale), Adam Radwan (Newcastle), Harry Randall (Bristol), Henry Slade (Exeter), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Manu Tuilagi (Sale), Joe Marchant (Quins), Ben Youngs (Leicester)

In Positions:
1.Marler, Genge
2.George, Blamire, Dolly
3.Sinckler, Stuart, Davison
4.Itoje, Hill
5.Lawes, Ewels
6.Curry, Martin
7.Underhill, Ludlam
8.Dombrandt, Simmonds, Chick

9.Youngs, Randall, Quirke
10.Smith

11.May, Radwan
12.Farrell, Atkinson
13.Tuilagi, Slade
14.Freeman, Marchant
15.Steward, Malins, Furbank
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England v Tonga - 6th November
England v Australia - 13th November
England v South Africa - 20th November

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 03 Nov 2021, 9:37 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:So it'll be:

1.Marler
2.George
3.Sinckler
4.Itoje
5.Hill
6.Lawes
7.Curry
8.Dombrandt

9 Youngs
10 Farrell
11 May
12 Atkinson
13 Manu
14 Radwan
15 Furbank

And I'm hoping for the knocks to clear up and it'll be

Marler Blamire sinckler
Itoje ewers
Curry underhill dombrandt
Mitchell Smith
May farrell marchant Radwan
Steward

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 9:52 am

Keep dreaming 7.5 Dave Ewers will never get a game for England.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 9:53 am

Smith is fit to play apparently.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:13 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Keep dreaming 7.5 Dave Ewers will never get a game for England.

It's a shame he's never had a sniff really as he is probably the most physical BS in England. Imagine lining him up with Curry/Underhill and Billy! I always assumed he lacked the pace around the park to step up without ever really checking the stats.

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Post by Poorfour Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:32 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:

And I'm hoping for the knocks to clear up and it'll be

Marler Blamire sinckler
Itoje ewers
Curry underhill dombrandt
Mitchell Smith
May farrell marchant Radwan
Steward

I agree with GF that it will probably be Lawes or Hill instead of Ewers, but that's a side you could get behind.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:47 am

Lol. Yeah my bad. Ewels.

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Post by propdavid_london Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:55 am

May, Radwan and Marchant in the back line looks to be pretty rapid. Not that Steward looks to be a slouch - but those 3 (if given the space) could cause a lot of teams issues.

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Post by lostinwales Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:55 am

propdavid_london wrote:May, Radwan and Marchant in the back line looks to be pretty rapid.  Not that Steward looks to be a slouch - but those 3 (if given the space) could cause a lot of teams issues.

Making the space is always the hardest thing

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 03 Nov 2021, 10:59 am

lostinwales wrote:
propdavid_london wrote:May, Radwan and Marchant in the back line looks to be pretty rapid.  Not that Steward looks to be a slouch - but those 3 (if given the space) could cause a lot of teams issues.

Making the space is always the hardest thing

Like Radwan needs any space!

I'm not so sure on May's pace these days, he seems to have gone down a level or two.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:08 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
propdavid_london wrote:May, Radwan and Marchant in the back line looks to be pretty rapid.  Not that Steward looks to be a slouch - but those 3 (if given the space) could cause a lot of teams issues.

Making the space is always the hardest thing

Like Radwan needs any space!

I'm not so sure on May's pace these days, he seems to have gone down a level or two.

Interesting, as the reports say he's posting some of his fastest times at the moment.

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Post by propdavid_london Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:24 am

I wonder where they both rank against LRZ for pace.....

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:29 am

Well i think May v LRZ is the battle over 100m...in a straight line.

Radwans pace is different. Ive said before hes more like Jason Robinson.
Over 40m...or in a telephone box you wont touch them...but in 100m...they probably wouldnt be the quickest.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:35 am

It appears that Randall was injured in that paddleboarding activity in Jersey , declared fit and then knackered it in training....and clubs arent very happy about it. Another player injured in Eddies camp.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:36 am

Hasn't the thing about May come about from 2 televised games where Radwan and Rees-Zammit have done him for pace with him defending? Tbf any winger with good pace (and obviously these 2 are lightning) when attacking will fancy their chances no matter how fast the defender is. Certain moments stick in the mind though.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:40 am

Yeah the attacker is pretty much always going to have the advantage.

Remember the USA winger v Habana....

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Post by propdavid_london Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:42 am

Its a good set of complimentary wingers for England with May and Radwan.
Watson offers something different too with a strong step and good areal and kicking game.

Cockanasinga (if he ever gets back) offers that brute carrying game and pace that we used to have in Cohen

and then the younger guys like Lynagh, Malins, Freeman all offer something a bit different.
Would be interesting if Odogwu gets looked at again when he is fit.

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Post by propdavid_london Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:44 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Yeah the attacker is pretty much always going to have the advantage.

Remember the USA winger v Habana....
And Habana was faster than a Cheetah! Smile

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:44 am

I still want to see Odogwu trialled at 13....

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Post by Mr Bounce Wed 03 Nov 2021, 12:01 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:I still want to see Odogwu trialled at 13....

He was certainly carving it up for Wasps before he broke. I really hope he gets that form back. He would be a huge England asset.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 03 Nov 2021, 5:02 pm

propdavid_london wrote:I wonder where they both rank against LRZ for pace.....

Posted on another thread a few weeks back.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:I saw somewhere over the weekend that May has been recording some of his fastest ever times for 100mm, now he has had a good break and a full pre-season he might give us the May we used to know and an even quicker one.

Read something earlier about Radwan on this. He's officially England's fastest ever player over 100m, clocking 10.6 seconds over 100m.

He's also posted the fastest top speed in the Prem (current players) with 10.88m/sec. LRZ's best effort is 10.5m/s but was over 18months ago, so suspect he may have improved. Christian Wade is apparently the fastest on record in the Prem with a 11.1m/sec.

I once clocked a less impressive 0.3m/sec going to the fridge for another beer for those interested.

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Post by hugehandoff Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:16 pm

Daily Fail has Steward at 15 and May & Marchant on the wings....no Radwan. Ewels & Itoje 2nd row, Lawes at 6, Curry at 8 and Underhill at 7. Dombrandt on the bench. Hopefully we at least see Dombrandt and Radwan given a decent spell otherwise how will we ever find out if they are made of the right stuff?

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Post by yappysnap Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:35 pm

Hhmmm if that's true then a few weird ones there!

Marchant on the wing is not going to get the best from a 13 who covers there (to a high level) for his club. Ewels playing full stop is just a waste of a shirt. Lawes at 6 has been done to death and imo just isn't great, Curry at 8 is another player out of position when he could be in his position with the best 8 in the league playing at 8 for England.

All sounds depressingly believable.

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Post by yappysnap Wed 03 Nov 2021, 11:37 pm

On a brighter note, hyped to see Steward at 15 and more of Smith at 10. Two players who if they get on the same page could do so much damage to opponents for another decade or more.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 04 Nov 2021, 7:52 am

yappysnap wrote:On a brighter note, hyped to see Steward at 15 and more of Smith at 10. Two players who if they get on the same page could do so much damage to opponents for another decade or more.

I'm a big fan of Steward defensively he's excellent and his attacking game is coming on. For me he's got to dial in his kicking, if he can do that then he'll become a force internationally. He's a guy who can comfortably kick the length of the pitch but with that he has a tendency to kick too long and kick it dead. He starts dialling this kicks in with the 50/22 rules and he has the potential to be a massive asset.

Given the lack of England backs who are willing to run a line to give the flyhalf an option his inclusion is welcome. Got to be giving Smith some options to work with. The combination of the two in attack is something I'm looking forward to seeing.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 8:05 am

Ewels is a classy player. Gonna keep banging that drum until you all come around!

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Post by GeordieFalcon Thu 04 Nov 2021, 9:11 am

hugehandoff wrote:Daily Fail has Steward at 15 and May & Marchant on the wings....no Radwan. Ewels & Itoje 2nd row, Lawes at 6, Curry at 8 and Underhill at 7. Dombrandt on the bench. Hopefully we at least see Dombrandt and Radwan given a decent spell otherwise how will we ever find out if they are made of the right stuff?

I really hope thats not the case....against Tonga???

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 04 Nov 2021, 9:29 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:
hugehandoff wrote:Daily Fail has Steward at 15 and May & Marchant on the wings....no Radwan. Ewels & Itoje 2nd row, Lawes at 6, Curry at 8 and Underhill at 7. Dombrandt on the bench. Hopefully we at least see Dombrandt and Radwan given a decent spell otherwise how will we ever find out if they are made of the right stuff?

I really hope thats not the case....against Tonga???
that’s just the Daily Mail. Who knows it they are right or only spitballing.

Unfortunately, I think we have to wait until Friday to complain about selections.

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Thu 04 Nov 2021, 9:57 am

The team announcement is 11.30 this morning I believe.
Telegraph reporting Smith is fit & will play.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Nov 2021, 10:01 am

It will be today as it's a Saturday game as Trev said.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 10:57 am

Unsure whether to post this on an old Lions thread but I got my knuckles rapped as it's apparently against the rules but this does touch upon England a bit to in relation to Farrell: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/03/louis-rees-zammit-british-and-irish-lions-wales

It's an ever ongoing thought that England lack leadership and Farrell in particular is lacking and pales in comparison to the likes of Jones. It seems to focus on him not switching tactics on the pitch (like all the other captains do so obviously....). Think this is another example though of a team mate who is not a permanent team mate and who doesn't have an ongoing agenda etc of them saying what a leader the guy is. Also the comment of him being a laugh and nice off the pitch which after some comments from Genge this week adds another tick to the box.

Should also add that did anyone hear Jones' comments on the first name on the team sheet: Curry.

Just seen a snippet of a Youngs' quote that England wasted 80% of their point scoring chances in the 6Ns. No wonder (tempting fate before the announcement) that Jones is looking for a refresh and more pace on the game.


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Post by Mr Bounce Thu 04 Nov 2021, 10:59 am

That does not surprise me about Curry being the first name on the team sheet.

He really is becoming indispensible.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 11:30 am

A covid outbreak in the England camp delays squad announcement ahead of Tonga clash.

hmmm

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Thu 04 Nov 2021, 11:36 am

Now 12.15

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 11:41 am

I wonder at what point they would call the game off? I am assuming they may be looking at bringing players back in from outside this week's squad.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 11:54 am

Just seen the beeb article. A member of the support staff tested +ve and there have been no more +ve tests.

I guess it all depends on who they think this person had contact with and if they decide they need to isolate.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:01 pm

This theoretically shouldn't have as much impact on the game as it would have have in 6Ns etc. Advice now is that if you have had both doses of vaccine you don't have to isolate unless you have symptoms. That means only the idiots who listen to Gillian McKeith should miss out: guess we see how many fools are like Slade?

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:09 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:This theoretically shouldn't have as much impact on the game as it would have have in 6Ns etc. Advice now is that if you have had both doses of vaccine you don't have to isolate unless you have symptoms. That means only the idiots who listen to Gillian McKeith should miss out: guess we see how many fools are like Slade?
Just remember, mate, once you think you have the idiots under control, someone come up with a better idiot.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:17 pm

ENGLAND XV STARTERS
15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)\
14. Adam Radwan (Newcastle Falcons, 1 cap)
13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 40 caps)
12. Manu Tuilagi (Sale Sharks, 43 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 66 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 93 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 109 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 30 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 59 caps)
3. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 44 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 48 caps)
5. Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 87 caps)
7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 24 caps)
8. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 33 caps)

FINISHERS
16. Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 2 caps)
17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 72 caps)
18. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 12 caps)
19. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 23 caps)
20. Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 1 cap)
21. Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
22. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 2 caps)
23. George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)



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Post by Cumbrian Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:19 pm

lostinwales wrote:ENGLAND XV STARTERS
15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)\
14. Adam Radwan (Newcastle Falcons, 1 cap)
13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 40 caps)
12. Manu Tuilagi (Sale Sharks, 43 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 66 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 93 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 109 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 30 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 59 caps)
3. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 44 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 48 caps)
5. Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 87 caps)
7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 24 caps)
8. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 33 caps)

FINISHERS
16. Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 2 caps)
17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 72 caps)
18. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 12 caps)
19. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 23 caps)
20. Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 1 cap)
21. Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
22. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 2 caps)
23. George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)



Oh boy, some heads are about to explode...
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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:19 pm

Feck...
Assuming concerns over Smith's injury. - and the rumors were correct over the back row.

Nice to see Radwan and Steward starting though - and that center combo is potentially very good

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:23 pm

It is a funny squad though. 1-10 is all about set piece dominance, the back 5 all about attack.

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Post by Cumbrian Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:25 pm

Well it is an Eddie squad...

-Four locks in the squad again (being slightly facetious by calling Lawes a lock).
-Our best openside at 8.
-Highest performing 10 on the bench.

I suspected that the Tonga game would see our 'full strength' team, I'd get used to seeing this line-up, it will be with us for the duration of November...
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Post by doctor_grey Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:27 pm

Cumbrian wrote:
lostinwales wrote:ENGLAND XV STARTERS
15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)\
14. Adam Radwan (Newcastle Falcons, 1 cap)
13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 40 caps)
12. Manu Tuilagi (Sale Sharks, 43 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 66 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 93 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 109 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 30 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 59 caps)
3. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 44 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 48 caps)
5. Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 87 caps)
7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 24 caps)
8. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 33 caps)

FINISHERS
16. Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 2 caps)
17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 72 caps)
18. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 12 caps)
19. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 23 caps)
20. Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 1 cap)
21. Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
22. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 2 caps)
23. George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)



Oh boy, some heads are about to explode...
Not so much head exploding as a bit of disappointment. Hopefully Eddie will provide some context for his lineup. Most of the names we wanted to see, barring injury or illness, are in the 23, just not so much in the XV. Let's see how he uses people. If certain subs get only 10 minutes, then we know their status at the bottom of the greasy pole.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:28 pm

Sigh. Best thing that can be said is that Radwan and Steward start and that Smith isn't lumbered with Youngs. Hopefully Mitchell, Dombrandt and Smith come on together.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:29 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:This theoretically shouldn't have as much impact on the game as it would have have in 6Ns etc. Advice now is that if you have had both doses of vaccine you don't have to isolate unless you have symptoms. That means only the idiots who listen to Gillian McKeith should miss out: guess we see how many fools are like Slade?
Just remember, mate, once you think you have the idiots under control, someone come up with a better idiot.  

Well Slade is missing which is a plus.

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Post by hugehandoff Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:30 pm

Smith has not trained all week which may have influenced this selection

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:31 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:This theoretically shouldn't have as much impact on the game as it would have have in 6Ns etc. Advice now is that if you have had both doses of vaccine you don't have to isolate unless you have symptoms. That means only the idiots who listen to Gillian McKeith should miss out: guess we see how many fools are like Slade?
Just remember, mate, once you think you have the idiots under control, someone come up with a better idiot.  

Well Slade is missing which is a plus.

Apart from being chosen at 13 that is

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Post by lostinwales Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:32 pm

Also interesting that Furbank is one of the subs not Marchant. May also be an indicator of concerns over Smith (we have a 3rd guy who can fill in at 10)

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:33 pm

Smith needs to get used to playing with Youngs as the latter is going nowhere.

Not a fan of Slade at all but perhaps his inclusion is somewhat forced with the niggles. Backrow balance the less said the better, insane.

And then I spy Furbank at 23.....

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 04 Nov 2021, 12:33 pm

lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:This theoretically shouldn't have as much impact on the game as it would have have in 6Ns etc. Advice now is that if you have had both doses of vaccine you don't have to isolate unless you have symptoms. That means only the idiots who listen to Gillian McKeith should miss out: guess we see how many fools are like Slade?
Just remember, mate, once you think you have the idiots under control, someone come up with a better idiot.  

Well Slade is missing which is a plus.

Apart from being chosen at 13 that is

Oh sh~t don't know what I read there. Not a plus then.

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