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Post by super_realist Fri 22 Oct 2021, 9:42 am

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super_realist wrote:Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?
Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Feb 2022, 12:33 pm

inco, there are loads of decent science podcasts out there if you want something light to listen to on your way to work. Some popular ones are bbc inside science, nature podcast, skeptics guide to the universe, science magazine. Have a look on your podcast app there will be something for you.

There are also media outlets with decent science coverage. I like the Atlantic.

I just think we all need to train ourselves to be aware of what content is from cranks and what is not. You can't just go the full cynic route and believe nothing, you need to learn to be a skeptic.

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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Feb 2022, 12:49 pm

The Zouma cat kicking video is pretty bad. Has anyone seen/heard Moyes defense for playing him last night? Pretty sad state of affairs.
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Post by Pal Joey Wed 09 Feb 2022, 12:54 pm

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He is very entertaining though. For me entertainment value is the main consideration, any reasonably intelligent person would treat Rogan's podcasts as such and not consider them an authoritative source of information. I'm confident Rogan is interested in discovering the truth about things and is less aligned with political agendas than other commentators.

I do watch a lot of Dr John Campbell's videos too, but he's been branded a hack by the BBC and other mainstreamers. Any recommendations for scientists to follow?

I would suggest reading the abstracts and conclusions of peer-reviewed studies in online scientific journals.
Y'see, that would bore the hole off me. I'm not studying for a PhD, I just want something entertaining to while away my pointless existence. Can you imagine driving along on the morning commute listening to some crusty old professor talking in specialist terms about covid data and such, it would put most people to sleep at the wheel! Not for me thank you. Plus, even the peer reviewed stuff can be influenced by agendas and special interests. Believe nothing, thats my motto.

I know exactly what you mean. During the day I might read a few heavy articles on various topics related to work or even more serious ones about global issues. Then, towards the end of the day, I purposely 'draw the line' so to speak. No business calls after a certain time. We all need part of the day to do 'what you want'... go for a walk, watch a funny video, feed an animal, just observe nature, take the piss outta someone for fun, etc.
The last thing I want to do at certain times of the day is dig up research articles and bloody peer reviews. Sponsored by bloody whom?  Laugh

After a few years of practising this type of discipline I can now watch, say, a heavy news item without feeling emotionally burdened - even if it may directly affect me or make me feel upset. In addition, I might even watch a person/personality whom I don't particularly like (only for a short while) without wasting too much mental energy being angry or cursing out loud. I might be thinking that (frustration, annoyance or anger) sub-consciously - but I make sure I don't let it get to me. There's always the option to switch off or simply walk away of course.

It's quite a good feeling really. Being aware of someone's point of view and strongly disagreeing with it but not thinking "I must do something about that". It's not necessary when, although being an important real issue, it doesn't rank highly on my To Do List. I don't have to act if I don't want to.  

As an example. There may be someone you didn't like at all many years ago. When you see them now they may not have the same affect. Even though the original mixed feelings are still there, deep down, it's as if they've become irrelevant and are not worth the worry.

Think Trump: not a particularly nice guy (all in it for himself) which may not be appealing but it's 'his way'. I accept that but don't agree. Then he did the Apprentice thing. Didn't watch it but heard bits about it from others. Then he ran for President. Almost a comical situation... something different. (Don't know Josh Rogan but he may be a similar loud personality?) Then the more you hear from him the more absurd it seemed to get. (Still funny... ha ha!)

Then, after a couple of years, the comical stuff starts to get too much... I just wish he'd shut up!

Then near the end of his term... can someone get rid of this guy, I've had enough!

I was almost glad Biden won just to change the scenery and rest my ears for a bit. That's therapy in itself!  Smile

The other point I'd like to make. Just watched a repeat of BBC's Britain's True Colours. There's some very good historic footage intermingled with contemporary commentary from various people. I get that things weren't so rosy in the 70s and 80s but there was a lot of blame being heaped on certain politicians of one ilk. Sure, we can't deny those things happened but there were unique circumstances at the time and it's easy to look back after 40 years and pass judgement in today's terms and conditions. Then, when the government finally changed under Blair, it was all good for a short while until 9/11, Eastern Euro immigrants, the WFC and then Brexit, Covid, etc. under the Tory Governments. If you ask me, they were pretty tough times for any Government.

So basically 20+ years of turmoil (but when hasn't the world had massive problems?) and we all probably agree that Governments and Institutions have let things slip or more accurately - have been 'hollowed out' and then sold parts of their responsibility off to private organisations. Hence all the f-ups and rip-offs... and we, the people, cop the resulting mess.

However, one thing I don't agree with is that the 'other lot' would have (or could have) done a better job. OK, maybe some things would be a little better but there would surely be deficiencies in other areas. That's just the nature of modern management... so maybe with different faces we'd get similar (or possibly worse) results. We don't really know, do we? The sad thing is though is that there are so many more disaffected and angry people venting their views and in some ways this could be seen as simply an overreaction to the status quo (good or bad) we are currently having to live our lives under. I'm not so convinced the world (or a particular country) would be "a better place" if others were in control of the situation. Actually it could be worse? Doesn't take much to tilt the balance but generally I believe the stronger traditional rules-based countries perform far better than any half-baked 'democracy' or tightly controlled totalitarian state - even though there are so many things which are shameful or we wish wouldn't have happened.

At least we acknowledge, apologise for these past wrongs (not many other countries do that) and some good people are trying to rectify the wrongs of the past in a fair way. That doesn't please everyone though...

I'll leave you with a funny thought.

After "Neighbours" was cancelled in the UK, someone here (a very, angry and nasty 'journalist') somehow extrapolated things to such an extent that we should immediately dump the Monarchy as 'pay back' and also ban all UK TV programmes here. What does that achieve? Why so angry? The UK is entitled to promote its own content; just like here. We don't need to 'declare war' or anything. It just boggles me that one person who has the privilege to write an online news article can so quickly go to such an extreme reaction for something which (in the big scheme of things) is so unimportant. Especially when you can watch as much as you want of that show by searching for it online if you are that desperate to see it.

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I thought "Bouncer's Dream" was more moving than "Scott and Charlene's Wedding"... but that's just my personal opinion. Wink

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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Feb 2022, 1:04 pm

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Honestly Neighbors was amazing jerking material back in the day. Home from school you could pop neighbors on and crack one off to one of a number of characters. Libby, Susan, Anne, Sky, Elle Robinson, The Scullies. The list was endless. Great times. Sad to see it go.
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Post by Pal Joey Wed 09 Feb 2022, 1:22 pm

McLaren wrote:Pal Joey

Honestly Neighbors was amazing jerking material back in the day. Home from school you could pop neighbors on and crack one of to one of a number of characters. Libby, Susan, Anne, Sky, Elle Robinson, The Scullies. The list was endless. Great times. Sad to see it go.

Ha ha. I'm more of a Home & Away type myself. I've only watched about 3 and a bit episodes over 30 years. I'm also biased having grown up near where they shot the outdoor scenes.

By the way... you can't get a car park around "Summer Bay" (Palm Beach) these days. You need a resident permit and the one road in and out is jammed with fancy big cars. A real shame. We just used to roll up, leave the car locked but with a gap in the windows and hang out on the beach for hours... then go to the other side (Pittwater) to cool off in the afternoon. Those were idyllic days... there's far too many people now so not so enjoyable.

Also, did you know one of the members on here (Guildfordbat) thinks I'm Gary Pankhurst from Skippy. As if! Laugh
I'm a bit younger than him although I did watch about 5 episodes of that show. I had the hots for Anna Steiner (Elke Neidhardt) briefly and also Clarissa 'Clancy' Merrick (Liza Goddard) but they were a bit old for me.
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Post by I'm never wrong Wed 09 Feb 2022, 1:29 pm

Just reading Pal Joeys post above (the long one) means I have "drawn the line" for today.

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Post by incontinentia Wed 09 Feb 2022, 1:45 pm

Pal Joey wrote:
incontinentia wrote:
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incontinentia wrote:
He is very entertaining though. For me entertainment value is the main consideration, any reasonably intelligent person would treat Rogan's podcasts as such and not consider them an authoritative source of information. I'm confident Rogan is interested in discovering the truth about things and is less aligned with political agendas than other commentators.

I do watch a lot of Dr John Campbell's videos too, but he's been branded a hack by the BBC and other mainstreamers. Any recommendations for scientists to follow?

I would suggest reading the abstracts and conclusions of peer-reviewed studies in online scientific journals.
Y'see, that would bore the hole off me. I'm not studying for a PhD, I just want something entertaining to while away my pointless existence. Can you imagine driving along on the morning commute listening to some crusty old professor talking in specialist terms about covid data and such, it would put most people to sleep at the wheel! Not for me thank you. Plus, even the peer reviewed stuff can be influenced by agendas and special interests. Believe nothing, thats my motto.

I'll leave you with a funny thought.

After "Neighbours" was cancelled in the UK, someone here (a very, angry and nasty 'journalist') somehow extrapolated things to such an extent that we should immediately dump the Monarchy as 'pay back' and also ban all UK TV programmes here. What does that achieve? Why so angry? The UK is entitled to promote its own content; just like here. We don't need to 'declare war' or anything. It just boggles me that one person who has the privilege to write an online news article can so quickly go to such an extreme reaction for something which (in the big scheme of things) is so unimportant. Especially when you can watch as much as you want of that show by searching for it online if you are that desperate to see it.

I've noticed this as an issue in modern society, the need some people feel to extrapolate things into bigger issues than they are.
- A black man gets killed by police in America, therefore policing across the board is institutionally racist and cities need to burn to the ground.
- A young lady is killed by a man, so now all men are somehow responsible for a culture that enables such despicable acts, and all men need to get together and end violence against women (good luck with that... why not end all violence in that case, or all bad things?).
- Other examples that I cant think of


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Post by incontinentia Wed 09 Feb 2022, 1:56 pm

Pal Joey wrote:
McLaren wrote:Pal Joey

Honestly Neighbors was amazing jerking material back in the day. Home from school you could pop neighbors on and crack one of to one of a number of characters. Libby, Susan, Anne, Sky, Elle Robinson, The Scullies. The list was endless. Great times. Sad to see it go.

Ha ha. I'm more of a Home & Away type myself. I've only watched about 3 and a bit episodes over 30 years. I'm also biased having grown up near where they shot the outdoor scenes.

By the way... you can't get a car park around "Summer Bay" (Palm Beach) these days. You need a resident permit and the one road in and out is jammed with fancy big cars. A real shame. We just used to roll up, leave the car locked but with a gap in the windows and hang out on the beach for hours... then go to the other side (Pittwater) to cool off in the afternoon. Those were idyllic days... there's far too many people now so not so enjoyable.

Also, did you know one of the members on here (Guildfordbat) thinks I'm Gary Pankhurst from Skippy. As if!  Laugh
I'm a bit younger than him although I did watch about 5 episodes of that show. I had the hots for Anna Steiner (Elke Neidhardt) briefly and also Clarissa 'Clancy' Merrick (Liza Goddard) but they were a bit old for me.
When I was a kid Irish TV was terrible, so it was typically dominated by Ozzie shows- The Sullivans, The Flying Doctors, Home and Away, Around the Twist, Half Way Across The Galaxy and Turn Left, A Country Practice...

Alf Stewart is a TV legend.
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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Feb 2022, 2:55 pm

Round the Twist was amazing.

excellent theme tune as well.

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Post by incontinentia Wed 09 Feb 2022, 3:09 pm

McLaren wrote:Round the Twist was amazing.

excellent theme tune as well.

I'll never forget the episode where the males had a contest to see who could piss the highest Laugh Laugh

EDIT: Whaddya know, its on youtube!

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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 4:55 am

dynamark wrote:JAS that is very well put point re public and private.I was in private sector until 10 years back when I joined a housing association.Your exact scenario exists.We used to contact out our building work very efficient and cost effective but it needed a deal of management.Last couple of years they went to a direct labour force model  and it is an unmitigated disaster in every way.But senior managers do not want it to fail so they allow it to limp along.I left ,my boss left,several other surveyors left or transferred. No shareholders or critical board to answer to and a culture of looking after their own

Sorry, bit late to this conversation but I couldn’t agree more Dyna…anytime you have to deal with local authorities or the likes of the DVLA it seems to get more and more frustrating , especially during the pandemic. I’m having an absolute nightmare trying to get a passport renewal at present which has cost me a couple of weeks skiing in Méribel as of this coming weekend. My friend and his family are also looking like missing out due to his daughter’s passport going missing…they’d applied for renewals in December and hers has somehow got lost along the way. When they asked for the old one back, it’s valid until November, that’s nowhere to be seen either. His kids are absolutely gutted and unless by some miracle they show up by Saturday we’ll have shelled out for a bloody great chalet to sit empty!!

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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 5:04 am

He’s our club’s resident Welsh wind up merchant so at least him being hit hardest will make the rest of us chuckle!

He told me a great tale about a mate of his back in Swansea where he grew up that works at the DVLA…a few years back he was unexpectedly called in to see his manager with the suggestion of bringing a representative along as well. Baffled what it was he’d done they gave him a warning about not taking enough days off sick and he needed to rectify this ASAP because he was making everyone else in the department look bad!!!

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Post by dynamark Thu 10 Feb 2022, 11:02 am

I did some agency work running a housing association repairs and redec scheme.They had somehow budgeted £600k but after 5 months almost complete and I had spent just over £400k.I got called to the boss and given a minor telling off for not spending the budget and also not getting enough complaints from the customers based on previous years.
I left at the end of the week

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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 11:21 am

dynamark wrote:I did some agency work running a housing association repairs and redec scheme.They had somehow budgeted £600k  but after 5 months almost complete and  I had spent just over £400k.I got called to the boss and given a minor telling off for not spending the budget and also not getting enough complaints from the customers based on previous years.
I left at the end of the week

I just find that kind of thing really difficult to comprehend….it could be a scene straight out of an old candid camera or Beadles about episode!
What makes it worse is that it’s common knowledge what goes on and nothing’s ever done about it. Like the excessive amount of unnecessary roadworks that’ll be all over London next month before financial year’s end.

It’s utterly bonkers and borders on insane when you’ve got councils like Croydon so heavily in debt they could go bust any day now

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Post by dynamark Thu 10 Feb 2022, 1:44 pm

Something very wrong . My feeling is that there is a deal of protect my job/department going on and the sort of folk who are board members of yer housing companies/charities do not hold people to account in any meaningful way ,I saw it first hand for the last 6 years but there is very little an individual can do and in the end you have to shrug your shoulders and walk away.My old firm have got themselves into a dreadful mess with costs and timescale so what do they do - appoint some more staff who can be blamed to protect themselves.

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Post by JAS Thu 10 Feb 2022, 3:21 pm

TM2K wrote:He’s our club’s resident Welsh wind up merchant so at least him being hit hardest will make the rest of us chuckle!

He told me a great tale about a mate of his back in Swansea where he grew up that works at the DVLA…a few years back he was unexpectedly called in to see his manager with the suggestion of bringing a representative along as well. Baffled what it was he’d done they gave him a warning about not taking enough days off sick and he needed to rectify this ASAP because he was making everyone else in the department look bad!!!

Ha lol I can relate to that, I did a year at the DVLA, I was actually freelancing to IBM at the time, IBM had a huge DVLA contract as did Fujitsu. Frankly it was a colossal waste of public money. It's one thing for public sector workers to be pedantic and waste money as a result but what does it say about senior management when they basically farm out their IT to 2 relatively savvy global companies who can also fail to deliver at a much much higher cost than employees ever could. As a typical example my typical day rate at the time was £450 to £480 per day. I would quite happily have sold my services to the DVLA direct at that price, maybe £500 (it was a weekly commute or me). However I had to go via IBM as they had the contract for the project I had been engaged for. Luckily I had a contact at the DVLA who knew what IBM would be charging the DVLA for my services (£1150 per day) and also knew that IBM had an internal directive that said engaging contractors had to result in at least a 40% mark up for IBM (and also that the agency I had to go through would charge 10% so simple calculation revealed that I was able to charge IBM £620 per day. So it was a good year for me but....just reflect on just how much Public Money IBM and Fujitsu were raping out the public purse with pretty much no questions asked (at that point IBM had 800 consultants onsite in Swansea and Fujitsu about 500) I was also on one of the lower charge bands, most of the IBM Project Managers were charged out between £2000 & £3000 per day. So just taking and average of say £1500 per day x 1300 consultants ...yep around £2m per DAY multiply that times working days and voila £500m per year.
Now imagine if senior management were actually competent and accountable and instead of abdicating responsibility to greedy global corporates, engaged a mix of permanent employees and individual contractors direct, they could have saved around £300m.

For all my economic leftiness I have to say that disgusting scenario was pretty much ALL the responsibility and fault of a petty, unlistening and probably colluding with greedy multinationals LABOUR government in the early 00's.


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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 4:05 pm

JAS wrote:
TM2K wrote:He’s our club’s resident Welsh wind up merchant so at least him being hit hardest will make the rest of us chuckle!

He told me a great tale about a mate of his back in Swansea where he grew up that works at the DVLA…a few years back he was unexpectedly called in to see his manager with the suggestion of bringing a representative along as well. Baffled what it was he’d done they gave him a warning about not taking enough days off sick and he needed to rectify this ASAP because he was making everyone else in the department look bad!!!

Ha lol I can relate to that, I did a year at the DVLA, I was actually freelancing to IBM at the time, IBM had a huge DVLA contract as did Fujitsu. Frankly it was a colossal waste of public money. It's one thing for public sector workers to be pedantic and waste money as a result but what does it say about senior management when they basically farm out their IT to 2 relatively savvy global companies who can also fail to deliver at a much much higher cost than employees ever could. As a typical example my typical day rate at the time was £450 to £480 per day. I would quite happily have sold my services to the DVLA direct at that price, maybe £500 (it was a weekly commute or me). However I had to go via IBM as they had the contract for the project I had been engaged for. Luckily I had a contact at the DVLA who knew what IBM would be charging the DVLA for my services (£1150 per day) and also knew that IBM had an internal directive that said engaging contractors had to result in at least a 40% mark up for IBM (and also that the agency I had to go through would charge 10% so simple calculation revealed that I was able to charge IBM £620 per day. So it was a good year for me but....just reflect on just how much Public Money IBM and Fujitsu were raping out the public purse with pretty much no questions asked (at that point IBM had 800 consultants onsite in Swansea and Fujitsu about 500) I was also on one of the lower charge bands, most of the  IBM Project Managers were charged out between £2000 & £3000 per day. So just taking and average of say £1500 per day x 1300 consultants ...yep around £2m per DAY multiply that times working days and voila £500m per year.
Now imagine if senior management were actually competent and accountable  and instead of abdicating responsibility to greedy global corporates, engaged a mix of permanent employees and individual contractors direct, they could have saved around £300m.

For all my economic leftiness I have to say that disgusting scenario was pretty much ALL the responsibility and fault of a petty, unlistening and probably colluding with greedy multinationals LABOUR government in the early 00's.



It beggars belief when you think of the numbers being thrown away for absolutely zero value or productivity and totally wasted. That’s before you take all the fiddles and backhanders into account

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Post by beninho Thu 10 Feb 2022, 7:27 pm

See you later Cressida. Still can't believe she got the gig after the De menezes mess up. People out there still believe he jumped the barriers before getting on the train. The swear campaign was terrible

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Post by McLaren Thu 10 Feb 2022, 8:50 pm

Ben

Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?
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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 9:08 pm

beninho wrote:See you later Cressida. Still can't believe she got the gig after the De menezes mess up. People out there still believe he jumped the barriers before getting on the train. The swear campaign was terrible

She’s finally gone then has she?? Jumped or pushed? Good riddance whichever it was…you’re absolutely right about her culpability in the De Menezes debacle.
If I recall correctly she was heading the whole operation so would’ve more than likely been the one responsible for greenlighting the shooters. Then the inevitable cover up and lies to deflect blame away from the police. I know tensions were high then and I’m sure the pressure was off the scale but it’s the instant lying to muddy the waters just as they did at Hillsborough.
If they honestly believed he was a threat why was he allowed to board a bus in Tulse Hill whilst under surveillance?!? It was shambolic however you look at it but nobody’s ever held accountable.
The recent drama with Stephen merchant as the Grindr killer showed how hopeless and amateurish they were once again but at the end it said nobody was disciplined and four officers had actually been promoted since then!!
She’ll still be rewarded financially no doubt or with another senior position somewhere.

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Post by beninho Thu 10 Feb 2022, 9:53 pm

McLaren wrote:Ben

Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?

She was in charge, they made up stuff to cover themselves.

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Post by McLaren Thu 10 Feb 2022, 11:01 pm

beninho wrote:
McLaren wrote:Ben

Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?

She was in charge, they made up stuff to cover themselves.

He shouldn't have jumped the barrier.
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Post by TM2K Thu 10 Feb 2022, 11:33 pm

McLaren wrote:
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Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?

She was in charge, they made up stuff to cover themselves.

He shouldn't have jumped the barrier.

He didn’t jump the barrier, used his Oyster card. Nor was he wearing a big coat in the middle of summer or carrying a backpack

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Post by McLaren Thu 10 Feb 2022, 11:50 pm

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beninho wrote:
McLaren wrote:Ben

Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?

She was in charge, they made up stuff to cover themselves.

He shouldn't have jumped the barrier.

He didn’t jump the barrier, used his Oyster card. Nor was he wearing a big coat in the middle of summer or carrying a backpack

Yeh, but he shouldn't have jumped the barrier.
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Post by TM2K Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:22 am

You make a good point Mac…have you thought of applying for Dick’s old job? Think you’re progressive and inclusive enough to appease the permanently outraged woke warriors?


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Post by beninho Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:01 am

McLaren wrote:
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McLaren wrote:
beninho wrote:
McLaren wrote:Ben

Just a horrible serious of events. Can one person, Cressida, really be held responsible?

She was in charge, they made up stuff to cover themselves.

He shouldn't have jumped the barrier.

He didn’t jump the barrier, used his Oyster card. Nor was he wearing a big coat in the middle of summer or carrying a backpack

Yeh, but he shouldn't have jumped the barrier.

I'm taking this as a play on what people actually, still think. Very good.

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Post by JAS Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:13 am

Can’t believe 3 days after the event we haven’t had a Cat-gate furore, you’re slipping Mac, remember the outrage you caused with dog-gate a few years ago?? :-p

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Post by JAS Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:34 am

You have to laugh incredulously at Adidas withdrawing its sponsorship from Zouma. How very virtuous of them, what admirable paragons of virtue they are…oh wait…what was that? Exploitative Child/slave Labour with no worker representation in Indonesian and Vietnamese sweat shops making trainers & clothing??
Where is the moral compass for Adidas?…cats before kids??

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Post by beninho Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:44 am

The Zouma video is pretty grim. But, West Ham messed that up by playing him. Leave him out a couple games, it would have blown over. Kicking cats isn't a good look though. But some of the outrage is over the top, as always.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:13 am

JAS wrote:You have to laugh incredulously at Adidas withdrawing its sponsorship from Zouma. How very virtuous of them, what admirable paragons of virtue they are…oh wait…what was that? Exploitative Child/slave Labour with no worker representation  in Indonesian and Vietnamese sweat shops making trainers & clothing??
Where is the moral compass for Adidas?…cats before kids??

The video is sickening and representative of not only footballers but 'famous' people in general. The comments from Michail Antonio are far from helpful also.

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Post by Galted Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:16 am

If more people had cats like mine, the public support for Zouma would be overwhelming.
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Post by JAS Fri 11 Feb 2022, 11:27 am

By the way, just because I'm having a pop at Adidas's hypocrisy doesn't mean I condone what he did. I'm no cat lover myself if I'm honest but it was pretty disgusting on several levels, the cruelty to the cat, the almost psychotic lack of empathy on display to viewers. Bad enough to do it but to actually film it wtf?? Headline news however it wasn't there are far bigger issues in the world that need dealt with.

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Post by McLaren Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:15 pm

JAS wrote:Can’t believe 3 days after the event we haven’t had a Cat-gate furore, you’re slipping Mac, remember the outrage you caused with dog-gate a few years ago?? :-p


Not going to be my best take but if people will insist on comparing him kicking and punching his cat in front of a small child with racism (why the need to compare anyway?) then I'm going to say it is as bad as a lot of racist incidents.

I count racism as a form of abuse and I also count animal and child abuse, as abuse. Carrying out physical or mental abuse in front of a child counts as child abuse.

I don't understand this idea, which seems to have gained traction by being repeated by Antonio, that I can't simultaneously be outraged by both animal abuse and racism. Just because the FA or EPL doesn't take racism seriously doesn't mean society at large should have to tackle moral issues from such a limited and binary perspective.

It was madness to bring racism into this incident.
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Post by McLaren Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:24 pm

beninho wrote:The Zouma video is pretty grim. But, West Ham messed that up by playing him. Leave him out a couple games, it would have blown over. Kicking cats isn't a good look though. But some of the outrage is over the top, as always.  

I really don't see why it should be allowed to blow over, even if it might. His contract should be in the bin. I tend to think that if you are treating a cat like that then you probably aren't too far off slapping your wife, if you haven't already.
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Post by McLaren Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:34 pm

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I'm taking this as a play on what people actually, still think. Very good.

It was. But to be honest I don't know why I did. It was a horrific thing to happen to an innocent person. Although I still don't know who you blame. Once you decide as a policy to shoot people who might be terrorists you have sort of set in motion a chain of events that will result in an incident like this. No matter what police officers are involved. I know for sure that if I was caught up in the moment having been primed to think I was actually stopping a train blowing up I would give the order or pull the trigger. It is why the policy of not putting lethal forced into police officers hands in the first place is such a good idea.

It reminds me of the first scene in Line of Duty, where an innocent person is shot because a 6 door number has slipped down to look like a 9 and the police enter the wrong flat. Once you seed the idea that the police can shoot at people it only takes one mishap for someone to end up dead.
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Post by beninho Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:42 pm

McLaren wrote:
beninho wrote:

I'm taking this as a play on what people actually, still think. Very good.

It was. But to be honest I don't know why I did. It was a horrific thing to happen to an innocent person. Although I still don't know who you blame. Once you decide as a policy to shoot people who might be terrorists you have sort of set in motion a chain of events that will result in an incident like this. No matter what police officers are involved. I know for sure that if I was caught up in the moment having been primed to think I was actually stopping a train blowing up I would give the order or pull the trigger. It is why the policy of not putting lethal forced into police officers hands in the first place is such a good idea.

It reminds me of the first scene in Line of Duty, where an innocent person is shot because a 6 door number has slipped down to look like a 9 and the police enter the wrong flat. Once you seed the idea that the police can shoot at people it only takes one mishap for someone to end up dead.

I can live with the killing. Officers make split second decisions, and, unfortunately will muck up. But, the smear and lies to discredit an innocent man is my problem. As said, people still think he jumped and run.

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Post by super_realist Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:45 pm

McLaren wrote:The Zouma cat kicking video is pretty bad. Has anyone seen/heard Moyes defense for playing him last night? Pretty sad state of affairs.

Surprised you didnt approve of the video Mac given your amusement at a dog being dragged to its death from the towbar of a car.

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Post by super_realist Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:50 pm

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I'm in my 30's my person of African descent.

Do you listen to Rogan at all? Sure, he's a bit too fond of conspiracy theories, but he can also be a refreshing tonic to the polished PC buttholes that dominate mainstream media.

Inco I get being frustrated with some of the coverage from "mainstream media" but I just don't see how turning to someone like Rogan, who isn't equipped to cast a true skeptical eye on issues, is the answer?

If you want better coverage of COVID for example go an seek the voices of scientists in the field. Rogan isn't they guy to expose whether or not a government is taking the correct path in a pandemic.

Isnt that the problem Mac? Unless these scientists 100% follow the government narrative they are discredited as "conspiracy theorists" and isnt it interesting how little attention is paid to the John Hopkin study of how few lives lockdown saved because it doesn't fit in with the rhetoric of government or main stream media.
Many government decisionsbhave been shown to have been made contrary to any science, but woe betide you if you question it.

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Post by McLaren Fri 11 Feb 2022, 2:26 pm

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Surprised you didnt approve of the video Mac given your amusement at a dog being dragged to its death from the towbar of a car.

I think my amusement came from peoples reactions.



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Post by super_realist Fri 11 Feb 2022, 2:27 pm

McLaren wrote:
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Surprised you didnt approve of the video Mac given your amusement at a dog being dragged to its death from the towbar of a car.

I think my amusement came from peoples reactions.




Well, considering people are demanding that people are fired for saying women have a cervix, it shouldn't surprise anyone

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Post by dynamark Sun 13 Feb 2022, 2:53 pm

We are playing Wet Spam later there have been some very imaginative suggestions for cat related chants or goal celebrations should we score(which is quite unlikely TBH).Im thinking of as banner saying 'can I have your cat please' along the lines of the shirt posters the kids hold up

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