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Post by lostinwales Thu 11 Nov 2021, 12:12 pm

Friday 12th
Gloucester v Bath  19:45

Saturday 13th
Saracens v Harlequins 14:30
Exeter Chiefs v Bristol 15:00
Leicester Tigers v Sale 15:00
Newcastle Falcons v Wasps 15:00
Northampton Saints v London Irish 15:30

No Sunday game

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Post by Margin_Walker Thu 11 Nov 2021, 12:21 pm

Those are Prem Cup fixtures.

No Premiership for a few weeks.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 12 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm

Newcastle Falcons team v Wasps (Saturday, 3pm, Kingston Park Stadium)

15 Tom Penny (captain),
14 Alex Tait,
13 George Wacokecoke,
12 Max Wright,
11 Iwan Stephens,
10 Joel Hodgson,
9 Cameron Nordli-Kelemeti;

1 Kyle Cooper,
2 Robbie Smith,
3 Mark Tampin,
4 Will Montgomery,
5 Matthew Dalton,
6 Josh Basham,
7 Connor Collett,
8 Gary Graham.

Replacements: 16 George McGuigan, 17 Phil Brantingham, 18 Logovi’i Mulipola, 19 Rob Farrar, 20 Tom Marshall, 21 James Blackett, 22 Will Haydon-Wood, 23 Zach Kerr.


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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 12 Nov 2021, 12:57 pm

Wasps:
15 Cameron Anderson,
14 Luke Mehson,
13 Rekeiti Ma’asi White,
12 Olly Hartley,
11 Ollie Dawkins,
10 Tommy Mathews,
9 Sam Wolstenholme (captain);

1 Gordon Reid,
2 Michael van Vuuren,
3 Biyi Alo,
4 Tim Cardall,
5 Sebastian de Chaves,
6 James Tyas,
7 Mario Pichardie,
8 James Tunney.

Replacements: 16 Dan Eckersley, 17 Zac Nearchou, 18 Pieter Scholtz, 19 Alfie Bell, 20 Kofi Cripps, 21 Ollie Monye, 22 Russell Bennett, 23 George Simpson.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 1:57 pm

Exeter Bristol

Sorry about the formatting. Lack of will to edit it

Exeter
15 JOSH HODGE
14 ARTHUR RELTON
13 SEAN O’BRIEN
12 IAN WHITTEN
11 DAN JOHN
10 JACK WALSH
9 SAM MAUNDER (CAPT)

1 JAMES KENNY
2 OLI BURROWS
3 SAM NIXON
4 DAFYDD JENKINS
5 RYAN McCAULEY
6 LEWIS PEARSON
7 AARON HINKLEY
8 RUS TUIMA

16 JORDON POOLE
17 DANNY SOUTHWORTH
18 PATRICK SCHICKERLING
19 CORY TEAGUE
20 ARCHIE HOSKING
21 TOM CAIRNS
22 JOSH BARTON
23 TOM WYATT

Bristol Bears: 15. Luke Morahan (85 apps); 14. Deago Bailey (0 apps), 13. Jack Bates (10 apps), 12. Antoine Frisch (1 app), 11. Toby Fricker (20 apps); 10. Ioan Lloyd (48 apps), 9. Theo Strang (0 apps); 1. Jake Woolmore (87 apps), 2. Harry Thacker (59 apps), 3. Jake Armstrong (22 apps), 4. Dave Attwood ©️ (62 apps), 5. John Hawkins (23 apps), 6. Sam Jeffries (36 apps), 7. Dan Thomas (93 apps), 8. Nathan Hughes (48 apps).

Replacements: 16. Will Capon (52 apps), 17. Ashley Challenger (0 apps), 18. Jono-Benz Salomon (0 apps), 19. Ed Holmes (75 apps), 20. Macenzzie Duncan (0 apps), 21. Oscar Lennon (0 apps), 22. Sam Bedlow (39 apps), 23. Charlie Powell (15 apps).

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 1:58 pm

Pussycats vs fish

TIGERS: 15 Kini Murimurivalu; 14 Kobus van Wyk, 13 Guy Porter, 12 Juan Pablo Socino, 11 Hosea Saumaki; 10 Bryce Hegarty, 9 Jack van Poortvliet (c); 1 Nephi Leatigaga, 2 Tom Cowan-Dickie, 3 Joe Heyes, 4 Ollie Chessum, 5 Scott Hall, 6 James Whitcombe, 7 Josh Poulett, 8 Cyle Brink

Replacements: 16 Archie Vanes, 17 Dan Richardson, 18 Will Hurd, 19 Francois van Wyk, 20 Tomiwa Agbongbon, 21 Jonny Law, 22 Dan Lancaster, 23 Jacob Cusick



SALE SHARKS: 15 Denny Solomona, 14 Tom Roebuck, 13 Connor Doherty, 12 Luke James, 11 Arron Reed, 10 Tom Curtis, 9 Gus Warr; 1 Simon McIntyre, 2 Akker van der Merwe (c), 3 Joe Jones, 4 Matt Postlethwaite, 5 Jean-Pierre du Preez, 6 Reuban Birch, 7 Sam Dugdale, 8 Jean-Luc du Preez
Replacements: 16 Tommy Taylor, 17 Ross Harrison, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Ewan Murphy, 20 Jack Hill, 21 Nye Thomas, 22 Kieran Wilkinson, 23 Jack Metcalf

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:00 pm

Gloucester vs (early) Bath

Gloucester Rugby

15. Kyle Moyle
14. Alex Morgan *
13. Tom Seabrook *
12. Billy Twelvetrees
11. Jake Morris *
10. Lloyd Evans *
9. Charlie Chapman *
1. Harry Elrington
2. Santiago Socino
3. Fraser Balmain
4. Freddie Clarke *
5. Andrew Davidson
6. Ruan Ackermann
7. Lewis Ludlow (c) *
8. Ben Morgan

Replacements

16. Henry Walker *
17. Val Rapava-Ruskin
18. Jamal Ford-Robinson
19. Freddie Thomas *
20. Jack Clement *
21. Ben Meehan
22. George Barton *
23. Louis Hillman-Cooper *

Bath Rugby: 15 Darren Atkins, 14 Ruaridh McConnochie, 13 Max Ojomoh, 12 Will Butt, 11 Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 10 George Worboys, 9 Max Green; 1 Arthur Cordwell, 2 Tom Dunn ©, 3 Kieran Verden, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Will Spencer, 6 Jaco Coetzee, 7 Thompson Cowan, 8 Nahum Merigan

Replacements: 16 John Stewart, 17 Will Vaughan, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Josh Dingley, 20 Richard de Carpentier, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Ciaran Donoghue, 23 Gabe Goss

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:03 pm

Tigers have names six that's right SIX props in the 23 man squad with young James Whitcombe at 6 (he's not jumping at the lineout) and then a further three on the bench. No front line players included it's a very much youngsters, loan and fringe player chance to get some minutes.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:09 pm

Saints vs London Irish

Saints: Hendy; Gillespie, Litchfield, Hutchinson, E Grayson; J Grayson, James; Iyogun, Haywood, K Garside; Moon, Nansen; Coles (c), Sylvester, Wilkins.

Replacements: Marshall, Auterac, Carey, Lockett, Irvine, Newman, Tupai, Collins.

London Irish: Stokes; Rowe, van Rensburg, Williams, Redmond; Jennings, O’Sullivan; Dell, Cornish, Parker; Nott, Munga; Cooke (c), Curtis-Harris, Cracknell.

Replacements: Willemse, Dever, Green, Mafi, Moore-Aiono, Englefield, Atkins, Cokanasiga.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:12 pm

Sarries Quins

Sarries
1 Richard Barrington
2 Ethan Lewis
3 Alec Clarey
4 Cameron Boon
5 Callum Hunter-Hill
6 Theo McFarland
7 Sean Reffell
8 Andy Christie (c)
9 Ruben de Haas
10 Manu Vunipola
11 Rotimi Segun
12 Duncan Taylor
13 Dom Morris
14 Ben Harris
15 Elliott Obatoyinbo

Replacements:

16 Theo Dan
17 Sam Crean
18 Sam Wainwright
19 Ollie Stonham
20 Toby Knight
21 Ivan van Zyl
22 Brandon Jackson
23 Tom Mills

Harlequins Starting XV
1. Simon Kerrod
2. Jack Musk
3. Craig Trenier
4. Hugh Tizard
5. Stephan Lewies ©
6. Matas Jurevicius
7. Luke Wallace
8. Archie White
9. Lewis Gjaltema
10. Jamie Benson
11. Aaron Morris
12. Lennox Anyanwu
13. Huw Jones
14. Ross Chisholm
15. Nick David

Impact Players
16. George Head
17. Tom Osborne (Oxford University)
18. Will Collier
19. George Hammond
20. Makeen Alikhan
21. Jack Stafford
22. Hayden Hyde
23. Oscar Beard

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:15 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Tigers have names six that's right SIX props in the 23 man squad with young James Whitcombe at 6 (he's not jumping at the lineout) and then a further three on the bench. No front line players included it's a very much youngsters, loan and fringe player chance to get some minutes.

Doesn't Brink look like a prop as well? Some teams seem to be taking this a lot more seriously than others.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:48 pm

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formerly known as Sam wrote:Tigers have names six that's right SIX props in the 23 man squad with young James Whitcombe at 6 (he's not jumping at the lineout) and then a further three on the bench. No front line players included it's a very much youngsters, loan and fringe player chance to get some minutes.

Doesn't Brink look like a prop as well?  Some teams seem to be taking this a lot more seriously than others.

At 6ft3 he's taller than most props, he's a big lad but lacking the overall bulk to get into the shoving match ups. The number 20 on the bench has just been confirmed as a signing from Loughborough University and not a loan. Apparently the club are very impressed with him at 19 and think he's one they can develop. Mobile 6ft3 and a shade under 16 stone he's a backrow that has played some centre in the past and has apparently got an offload on him.

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Post by king_carlos Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:49 pm

15 Kini Murimurivalu [26]
14 Kobus van Wyk [15]
13 Guy Porter [22]
12 Juan Pablo Socino [2]
11 Hosea Saumaki [1]
10 Bryce Hegarty [2]
9 Jack van Poortvliet (c) [27]
1 Nephi Leatigaga [49]
2 Tom Cowan-Dickie [4]
3 Joe Heyes [78]
4 Ollie Chessum [14]
5 Scott Hall *
6 James Whitcombe [7]
7 Josh Poulett *
8 Cyle Brink [18]

REPLACEMENTS
16 Archie Vanes *
17 Dan Richardson *
18 Will Hurd *
19 Francois van Wyk [5]
20 Tomiwa Agbongbon *
21 Jonny Law [2]
22 Dan Lancaster *
23 Jacob Cusick *

Strong backline for the PRC if Hegarty settles at 10. The forwards are a right rag tag bunch though. Whilst our player availability around the first XV has been very good there are a few injuries stacking up with the squad players and senior academy in the forwards.

Cam Henderson - Rumours he's blown out his knee
Lewis Chessum - Was on crutches a couple of weeks back
Emeka Ilione - Presumably still rehabbing injury from last season
Thom Smith - Played for Donny in preseason but not played since, I'd presume he is injured
Gareth Evans - Picked up an injury at the end of preseason and retired this week

With a much smaller senior squad these days it's left the forwards fairly thin on the ground. Hall and Poullet are from Notts.

Agbongbon is a new signing though as he's been added the senior squad list on the offy. I know nothing about him but obviously hope he shows up well.

I'm a bit surprised that Henri Lavin wasn't brought back in for a chance in the back row. He's finally fit, playing and doing well at Loughborough which is great to see.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 12 Nov 2021, 2:54 pm

Good point on Henri Lavin, he was a player of real promise out of the academy and with his inclusion we'd have been down to just 5 props in the squad. Maybe they are leaving him for a bit longer at Uni level before risking a step up.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 12 Nov 2021, 3:07 pm

Wasn't Emeka Ilione the guy who played in the U20's looked really good and then got injured? Its all too easy to get past first appearances but he looked very good if a bit too brave, or fragile. I just hope he's not one of those 'what if' players who retire hurt before getting their career going.

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Post by king_carlos Fri 12 Nov 2021, 3:54 pm

lostinwales wrote:Wasn't Emeka Ilione the guy who played in the U20's looked really good and then got injured? Its all too easy to get past first appearances but he looked very good if a bit too brave, or fragile. I just hope he's not one of those 'what if' players who retire hurt before getting their career going.

Yep, that's him. Ilione played for the U20s at only 18, looked good then got the injury he still seems to be rehabbing. It's only one injury though, it isn't an abnormally long layoff for a severe one.

He's still only 19 so has plenty of time. It wouldn't surprise me if he captained the England U20s at some point. He's very highly rated by the England age grades as well as Tigers.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 12 Nov 2021, 3:58 pm

king_carlos wrote:
lostinwales wrote:Wasn't Emeka Ilione the guy who played in the U20's looked really good and then got injured? Its all too easy to get past first appearances but he looked very good if a bit too brave, or fragile. I just hope he's not one of those 'what if' players who retire hurt before getting their career going.

Yep, that's him. Ilione played for the U20s at only 18, looked good then got the injury he still seems to be rehabbing. It's only one injury though, it isn't an abnormally long layoff for a severe one.

He's still only 19 so has plenty of time. It wouldn't surprise me if he captained the England U20s at some point. He's very highly rated by the England age grades as well as Tigers.

He's also combining his rugby career with studying for a medical degree if I remember rightly. Switched university to be closer to Tigers. He's a bright lad, I was hoping he'd be recovered for these PRC games but sadly not.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Nov 2021, 7:28 am

I know it's only the cup but has anyone checked on tighthead?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 13 Nov 2021, 8:10 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:I know it's only the cup but has anyone checked on tighthead?

To be fair Bath sent out something like a third team where as Glaws were quite strong. I similarly expect Tigers to take a battering today because Sale look strong and we've tested everybody. That's the thing with the PRC it ranks differently in club's priorities. Bath I suspect just want to get some players back from injury and protect those senior guys that are fit.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Nov 2021, 5:01 pm

I think the Welsh will be eyeing up Iwan Stephens sooner rather than later....

That boy is going to be sheer class...he is already...

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Post by lostinwales Sat 13 Nov 2021, 11:14 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:I know it's only the cup but has anyone checked on tighthead?

Last posted a month ago.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 14 Nov 2021, 12:10 am

lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:I know it's only the cup but has anyone checked on tighthead?

Last posted a month ago.

Somebody should probably check that Hooper hasn't had some bloke with a hammer following him the last month.

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Post by Oakdene Mon 15 Nov 2021, 11:52 am

Am I right in saying the ref was hooked up to the PA system for the Gloucester Bath match so the crowd could hear his talks with TMOs?

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Post by king_carlos Mon 15 Nov 2021, 3:10 pm

Oakdene wrote:Am I right in saying the ref was hooked up to the PA system for the Gloucester Bath match so the crowd could hear his talks with TMOs?

I haven't seen any footage of it but that was certainly the plan pre-game if all the tech worked.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 15 Nov 2021, 3:58 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Oakdene wrote:Am I right in saying the ref was hooked up to the PA system for the Gloucester Bath match so the crowd could hear his talks with TMOs?

I haven't seen any footage of it but that was certainly the plan pre-game if all the tech worked.

Constantly or like in the NFL where they can press a button and announce the decision?

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Post by king_carlos Mon 15 Nov 2021, 4:05 pm

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king_carlos wrote:
Oakdene wrote:Am I right in saying the ref was hooked up to the PA system for the Gloucester Bath match so the crowd could hear his talks with TMOs?

I haven't seen any footage of it but that was certainly the plan pre-game if all the tech worked.

Constantly or like in the NFL where they can press a button and announce the decision?

I think it's for TMO decisions. The crowd will be able to hear the discussion between ref and TMO the same as a TV audience would.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 19 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm

Tigers Vs Wasps. Tigers continue the rotation aimed at getting players who need it some game time hence for the second week in a row we play a prop in the backrow. Not the best team to do that against. Wasps look like they are playing whomever is left standing such is their injury woes.

STARTING XV
15 Kini Murimurivalu [27]
14 Kobus van Wyk [16]
13 Guy Porter [23]
12 Dan Kelly [26]
11 Hosea Saumaki [2]
10 Dan Lancaster [1]
9 Jack van Poortvliet (c) [28]
1 James Whitcombe [8]
2 Charlie Clare [34]
3 Joe Heyes [79]
4 Ollie Chessum [15]
5 Calum Green [67]
6 Francois van Wyk [6]
7 Tommy Reffell [54]
8 George Martin [23]

REPLACEMENTS
16 Archie Vanes [1]
17 Dan Richardson [1]
18 Will Hurd [3]
19 Harry Wells [132]
20 Tomiwa Agbongbon [1]
21 Sam Edwards *
22 Juan Pablo Socino [3]
23 Jacob Cusick [1]

* denotes Leicester Tigers senior debut

Wasps: 15 Cameron Anderson, 14 Luke Mehson, 13 Rekeiti Ma’asi White, 12 Olly Hartley, 11 Ollie Dawkins, 10 Tommy Mathews, 9 Sam Wolstenholme (c); 1 Gordon Reid, 2 Michael van Vuuren, 3 Biyi Alo, 4 Tim Cardall, 5 Sebastian de Chaves, 6 James Tyas, 7 Mario Pichardie, 8 James Tunney

Replacements: 16 Dan Eckersley, 17 Zac Nearchou, 18 Pieter Scholtz, 19 Alfie Bell, 20 Fyn Brown, 21 Greg Fisilau, 22 Ollie Monye, 23 George Simpson

On paper it should be all Tigers but Wasps proved to be a tough ask Vs Falcons last weekend so are unlikely to roll over and Tigers will have to work for the win.

Lancaster Vs Matthews is a good battle of the young playmakers. They played together for the under 20s a few months back so will know each other well.

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Post by Margin_Walker Fri 19 Nov 2021, 2:31 pm

Ouch. That looks like a mismatch. Odd to see Reid dragged out of semi retirement.

Teams for LI v Sarries on BT sport tonight

London Irish:
15 Henry Arundell, 14 James Stokes, 13 Matt Williams (c), 12 Terrence Hepetema, 11 Ollie Hassell-Collins, 10 Rory Jennings, 9 Ben White, 1 Facundo Gigena, 2 Mike Willemse, 3 Marcel van der Merwe, 4 George Nott, 5 Chunya Munga, 6 Steve Mafi, 7 Tom Pearson, 8 Olly Cracknell.

Replacements:
16 Matt Cornish, 17 Will Goodrick-Clarke, 18 Ciaran Parker, 19 Jack Cooke, 20 Izzy Moore-Aiono, 21 Hugh O’Sullivan, 22 Jacob Atkins, 23 Curtis Rona.


Saracens Men team to play London Irish:

1 Richard Barrington
2 Theo Dan
3 Sam Wainwright
4 Cameron Boon
5 Callum Hunter-Hill
6 Theo McFarland
7 Toby Knight
8 Andy Christie (c)
9 Ivan van Zyl
10 Manu Vunipola
11 Rotimi Segun
12 Dom Morris
13 Brandon Jackson
14 Ben Harris
15 Elliott Obatoyinbo

Replacements:
16 Samson Adejimi
17 Sam Crean
18 Harvey Beaton
19 Obinna Nkwocha
20 Ben Earl
21 Ruben de Haas
22 Tom Mills
23 Francis Moore

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