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Post by lostinwales Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:02 am

December already? What happened to 2021?

Friday 3rd 19:45
Gloucester v Bristol

Saturday 4th all 15:00
Exeter Chiefs v Saracens
London Irish v Newcastle Falcons
Northampton Saints v Bath
Worcester Warriors v Wasps

Sunday 5th 15:00
Leicester Tigers v Harlequins

Some good matchups this weekend.

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Post by lostinwales Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:38 pm

Gloucester v Bristol

Gloucester: Evans; Rees-Zammit, Harris, Atkinson, Thorley; Hastings, Meehan; Rapava-Ruskin, Singleton, Gotovtsev, Clarke, Alemanno, Ackermann, Ludlow (capt), Morgan.

Replacements: Socino, Elrington, Ford-Robinson, Davidson, Reid, Chapman, Twelvetrees, Moyle

Bristol: Piutau; Fricker, Purdy, O'Conor, Leiua; Sheedy, Randall; Woolmore, Thacker, Afoa, Attwood, Joyce, Vui, D Thomas, Luatua (capt).

Replacements: Kerr, Y Thomas, Challenger, Heenan, Harding, Whiteley, Radradra, Morahan

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:07 pm

Harlequins Starting XV
1. Joe Marler
2. Jack Walker
3. Will Collier
4. Dino Lamb
5. Stephan Lewies – Captain
6. James Chisholm
7. Jack Kenningham
8. Alex Dombrandt
9. Danny Care
10. Marcus Smith
11. Cadan Murley
12. Andre Esterhuizen
13. Huw Jones
14. Louis Lynagh
15. Tyrone Green

Impact Players
16. Jack Musk
17. Santiago Garcia Botta
18. Simon Kerrod
19. Hugh Tizard
20. Viliami Taulani
21. Tom Lawday
22. Lewis Gjaltema
23. Oscar Beard

Unavailable due to injury:
Aaron Morris, Fin Baxter, Joe Gray, Joe Marchant, Jordan Els, Luke Northmore, Matt Symons Paul Lasike, Sam Riley, Scott Steele, Tommy Allan, Wilco Louw, Will Evans


STARTING XV
15 Freddie Steward [41]
14 Harry Potter [21]
13 Matías Moroni [20]
12 Dan Kelly [27]
11 Nemani Nadolo [23]
10 George Ford [113]
9 Ben Youngs [269]
1 Ellis Genge (c) [95]
2 Julián Montoya [10]
3 Dan Cole [272]
4 Harry Wells [133]
5 Eli Snyman [6]
6 Hanro Liebenberg (vc) [42]
7 Marco van Staden [4]
8 Jasper Wiese [23]

REPLACEMENTS
16 Nic Dolly [9]
17 Nephi Leatigaga [50]
18 Joe Heyes [80]
19 Ollie Chessum [16]
20 Tommy Reffell [55]
21 Richard Wigglesworth [20]
22 Bryce Hegarty [3]
23 Guy Porter [25]


Slightly conservative bench from Tigers which is a shame I would have liked to see JVP and Murimurivalu on there. Quins are obviously gearing up for a physical game with a hefty 6:2 bench.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:08 pm

Falcons for L.Irish

15 Mike Brown,
14 Tom Penny,
13 Max Wright,
12 Luther Burrell,
11 Adam Radwan,
10 Will Haydon-Wood,
9 Louis Schreuder;

1 Adam Brocklebank,
2 George McGuigan,
3 Trevor Davison,
4 Greg Peterson,
5 Sean Robinson,
6 Philip van der Walt,
7 Gary Graham (captain),
8 Callum Chick.

Replacements: 16 Robbie Smith, 17 Logovi’i Mulipola, 18 Mark Tampin, 19 Rob Farrar, 20 Connor Collett, 21 Cameron Nordli-Kelemeti, 22 Brett Connon, 23 Pete Lucock.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:39 pm

What's happened to Fearns?

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Post by lostinwales Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:21 pm

Saints vs Bath

Northampton: Furbank; Freeman, Dingwall, Hutchinson, Skosan; Biggar, Mitchell; Waller, Matavesi, Painter, Ribbans, Moon, Wilkins, Ludlam (capt), Augustus.

Replacements: Fish, Auterac, Hill, Ratuniyarawa, Coles, James, Litchfield, Sleightholme.

Bath: De Glanville; Rokoduguni, Butt, Ojomoh, Muir; Cipriani, Spencer; Boyce, Dunn, Stuart, McNally, Ewels (capt), Ellis, Underhill, Bayliss.

Replacements: Du Toit, Vaughan, Rae, Williams, De Carpentier, Richards, Fox, Hamer-Webb

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Post by lostinwales Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:22 pm

Irish (Falcons above)

London Irish: Parton, Rowe, Rona, van Rensburg, Hassell-Collins, Jackson, Phipps, Goodrick-Clarke, Creevy, Hoskins, Mafi, Simmons, Rogerson (capt), Pearson, Cracknell.

Replacements: Willemse, Dell, Parker, Nott, Gonzalez, White, Jennings, Williams.

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Post by lostinwales Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:25 pm

Non Native American Chiefs vs Non Muslim Middle Easterners

Exeter: Hogg; Nowell, Slade, Whitten, O'Flaherty; J Simmonds, J Maunder; Hepburn, Cowan-Dickie, Iosefa-Scott, Gray, Hill, Ewers, Armand, S Simmonds.

Replacements: Yeandle, Kenny, Nixon, Capstick, Kiresten, S Maunder, H Skinner, Hendrickson.

Saracens: Malins; Lewington, Lozowski, Tompkins, Daly; Goode (co-capt), Davies; M Vunipola, Lewis, Koch, Itoje, Isiekwe, Wray (co-capt), Earl, B Vunipola .

Replacements: Pifeleti, Mawi, Clarey, Swinson, McFarland, Christie, van Zyl, Morris.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:49 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:What's happened to Fearns?

Must be injured Sam.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:51 pm

i really dont fancy our chances v Irish...thing it could be a long day at the office.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:53 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:What's happened to Fearns?

Must be injured Sam.

Just wondered if he'd left the field last weekend with an obvious injury. He'll be a loss at this time of year especially if it's a lengthy injury.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:55 pm

Its been confirmed now...hes injured

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:56 pm

Some stats from this season...

Newcastle Falcons have scored 63% of their tries in the first half of games (12/19), the highest ratio of any team in the Premiership this season; they have scored the fewest second half tries in the league this term (7).

Newcastle Falcons have enjoyed 53.7% territory on average in 2021/22, only Leicester Tigers (53.8%) and Sale Sharks (56.9%) have had more territory in the Premiership this season.

George McGuigan has made 82 successful lineout throws for Newcastle Falcons, a joint-high in the Premiership this season, alongside Harlequins’ Jack Walker; however, he has also lost 12 throws, the most of any player in the league in 2021/22.


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Post by lostinwales Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:11 pm

Worcs Wasps

Worcester Warriors: Shillcock; Nanai, Venter (co-capt), Beck, van der Merwe; Smith, Simpson; Sutherland, Annett, Judge, Garvey, G Kitchener, Hatherell, Hill (co-capt), Vailanu.

Replacements: Baldwin, Waller, Tyack, Batley, Lewis, Chudley, Searle, Lawrence.

Wasps: Watson; Kibirige, McHenry, Gopperth, Bassett; Umaga, Porter; Hislop, Frost, Toomaga-Allen, Fifita, Stooke, Shields (capt), Young, T Willis.

Replacements: Oghre, West, Millar-Mills, de Chaves, Carr, Barbeary, Wolstenholme, Minozzi.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:15 pm

Tom West and Barbaery back....thats a boost for Wasps!

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Post by king_carlos Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:02 pm

A lot of returning players for Bristol as well. A few sides are looking stronger after the PRC break in fact.

Seeing the sides for Tigers vs Quins I'd hope for Tigers win at home. The starting XVs are both very strong but Quins having more absentees mean I'd hope for the Tigers bench will have more impact. Montoya being such a powerful hooker should hopefully be able to really pressure Walker.

The Quins backs should be absolute lethal ball in hand but I'd hope Tigers can cause some issues in defence with Marchant and Northmore missing. I rate Huw Jones very highly (hoped Tigers might sign him at one time in fact) but defence has never been Shugs strongest suit and it will be his first Premiership start for Quins.

It should be a cracker. Marler vs Cole, two excellent back rows, Youngs vs Care, Ford vs Smith. The Tigers back three with Steward and Nadolo is gigantic as well up against a smaller but extremely skilled back three for Quins with Green and Lynagh.

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Post by Heaf Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:59 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:i really dont fancy our chances v Irish...thing it could be a long day at the office.

I hope you're right - Irish need to follow up the win from last week. I think it will be close.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:28 pm

Never a try...held up. What do the TMOs actually look at

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:48 pm

Rees-Zammitt......is it me or is he just not quite reaching the heights he should be at the moment?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:43 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Rees-Zammitt......is it me or is he just not quite reaching the heights he should be at the moment?

He's very quick and pretty good under the high ball but I would like to see more footwork and invention from him. I just feel he should be more exciting a player.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:43 pm

LZR is only 20 still remember. He's already an excellent winger with all the time to improve. At the same age Jonny May was a squad player for Gloucester still being used at centre as well as wing. He was also a bit of a headless chicken at times. Anthony Watson was in his first season with Bath and playing well albeit struggling to score tries. JJ at the corresponding age had just been moved to centre by LI after impressing the season before on the wing.

LZR has 17 tries from 27 Prem apps and 5 tries in 10 caps for Wales. That's a strike rate of a 0.63 tries an appearance in the Premiership. For reference Jonny May's is 0.49.

There are parts of his game that need to develop as is the case for all 20-year-old players but he's already a fantastic winger and has a higher ceiling than most to keep getting better.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:04 pm

It's his game I find a bit underwhelming. Never been overly enthused by a simple strike rate. The defending for that kick was frankly uncommitted.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:14 pm

I agree with Carlos that LRZ is only a kid, barely out of nappies. Give him some time. He is certainly ahead of most of players his age.

To be fair, I also agree strike rate is only one measure amongst many....

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Post by yappysnap Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 am

Really worried about the quins game this weekend. Not least because if we lose qe'll never hear the end of it from Sam about Fords performance over Smith Wink

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:26 am

Goode is better than both. Not sure if I mean Alex or Andy though.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:56 am

I’m sure you mean Andy.  

Best England fly half.  

Ever.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:56 am

doctor_grey wrote:I’m sure you mean Andy.  

Best England fly half.  

Ever.

To be fair, he was really a fly one and a half, I have see smaller locks
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:08 pm

I want our pack (Saints) to go out with the attitude they had against Bris and dominate from the off, will not be so easy without Lawes, he is a class above any of them. Quick ball and that backline will do the rest.

Interesting to see that Mitchell has the most tries/try assists of any player in the Prem so far this season, seems to have learnt quite a lot from his time with the England camp.

Other good news, Sleights is back, that's really are making life difficult for the selectors now, Sleights, Freeman, Skosan, Collins, Naiyaravoro and that is without Gillespie (who I rate very highly) and Long-Martinez.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:09 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:I’m sure you mean Andy.  

Best England fly half.  

Ever.

To be fair, he was really a fly one and a half, I have see smaller locks

A fly-prop

I once watched an England U20 match where Mallinder was playing at FH and was the biggest player on the pitch (Kitchener the younger was taller but on the bench)

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:38 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:I want our pack (Saints) to go out with the attitude they had against Bris and dominate from the off, will not be so easy without Lawes, he is a class above any of them. Quick ball and that backline will do the rest.

Interesting to see that Mitchell has the most tries/try assists of any player in the Prem so far this season, seems to have learnt quite a lot from his time with the England camp.

Other good news, Sleights is back, that's really are making life difficult for the selectors now, Sleights, Freeman, Skosan, Collins, Naiyaravoro  and that is without Gillespie (who I rate very highly) and Long-Martinez.
did you see the article from today’s Telegraph about Saints?Written by Will Greenwood. Very complementary. Seems like a jinx and a half to me.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:18 pm

yappysnap wrote:Really worried about the quins game this weekend. Not least because if we lose qe'll never hear the end of it from Sam about Fords performance over Smith Wink

You're always going to compare players head to head games particularly when they are both vying for the same spot in the national team. It'll be interesting to see how Ford goes having not played in three weeks. The problem on the last occasion for Quins was mainly that they tried to play far to much in the wrong areas of the pitch. That is a common fault of Care's so I wonder whether Smith will take a stronger grip on proceedings as they had a very similar issue Vs Sale and suffered as a result. Smith certainly has it in the locker to go toe to toe with Ford in a tactical kicking game.

Plus Green Vs Steward at 15 should be a good watch for the contrasting styles.

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:02 pm

Some Saracens backline!
And decent lock pairing

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:13 pm

They're playing with a bar of soap today.

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:24 pm

Never seen so many dropped balls

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:25 pm

Wow Billy...

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:29 pm

This ref is having a shocker

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:29 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Wow Billy...

Needs to save his breath for running and stop wasting it on moaning at the ref doesn't he.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:31 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:This ref is having a shocker

He's made some odd calls though I'm not agreeing with every observation from the BT commentators mainly because Austin likes to try and create discussion and Dayglo doesn't really know what's going on half the time.

To be fair on the Simmonds one under the post that wasn't in at the side but he also never supports his bodyweight competing for the ball nor makes any effort to lift the ball.

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:39 pm

Falcons getting royally humped

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:40 pm

It's a matter of time now before that new ruck block is outlawed. Perhaps we'll have to get to the 6 nations and England using it before its properly noticed. Completely legal but Healey is right its not to the spirit.

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Post by Margin_Walker Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:51 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Falcons getting royally humped

Newcastle still in with a shout in the second half if they keep it tight. Looser game suits LI a bit more.

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Post by Geordie Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:56 pm

We shall see. I didnt have much confidence for today...

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Post by Heaf Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pm

GF too soon to worry - don't forget LI like to make it interesting. They either go way behind from the start and then catch up or go way ahead and give up the lead to make us all sweat. Today it could be option 2.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:21 pm

Looks like BT picked the worst game to show.

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Post by Exiledinborders Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:28 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a matter of time now before that new ruck block is outlawed. Perhaps we'll have to get to the 6 nations and England using it before its properly noticed. Completely legal but Healey is right its not to the spirit.
It is as much in the spirit as the caterpillar. The caterpillar slows the game down whilst the reverse caterpillar encourages the scrum half to use it quickly.

Slow play is the curse of the game so I would allow the new move but ban the caterpillar.

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Post by Heaf Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:29 pm

LI always a good watch these days - even if it's bad for the blood pressure some times

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:30 pm

2 properly horrible clear outs aimed at Itojes knees there.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:31 pm

With my England hat on, I think that Nick Isiekwe has looked good in a rather poor/ technical game.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:37 pm

Hill absolutely blew that on the Sarries line, Simmonds was walking in.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:40 pm

Christ, Falcons being properly tuned. Sad
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