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Post by Pal Joey Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:48 am

First topic message reminder :

The 2021-22 Ashes Tipping Competition Rules:

1.
Pick 2 (two) batsmen and 2 (two) bowlers from both England and Australia who you think will score the most runs and take the most wickets.
You get both batting and bowling points per innings so a bowler who scores runs has both batting and bowling scores added together.
e.g.
Warner, Labuschagne, Starc, Cummins
Malan, Root, Broad, Anderson


2.
Pick 1 (one) fielder from each team; excluding wicket keepers for most catches in the Series.
It can be a bowler (for c&b) if you want.
e.g.
Smith, Stokes


3.
Select which wicket keeper will take the greatest number of catches, stumpings and run outs combined for each Test.
If a wicket keeper is injured then the replacement keeper's figures shall be used.
e.g.
Australia (Carey) or England (Bairstow... or Buttler) or the same number of dismissals.


4.
Predict the Toss:
a) Who wins the toss?
e.g.
Australia


b) Winning captain's decision - bat or field?
e.g.
Bat


5.
a) Predict the 1st Ashes Test result.
e.g.
Australia or England or Draw


Selections must be posted a minimum one (1) hour before the commencement of each Test. No PM reminders shall be sent.


Scoring:

Note:
The figures in bold below represent changes to previous competition scoring values.
I have increased the bonus amounts - for batting and bowling bonuses, the toss and captain's decision and for correctly selecting the test match result - for added point-scoring value.


1.
1 point for every run scored by your nominated batsmen. Add together for each Test.
Bonus 25 points for 100 runs.
extra 30 points for 150 runs.
extra 45 points for 200 runs.
extra 60 points for 250 runs.
extra 125 bonus points for 300+ runs.

Note: the batting & bowling score bonuses accumulate so;

Batting: (per innings)
100 runs = 125 points. A player scores 137 runs + 25 = 162 points.
150 runs = 205 points. A player scores 177 runs + 25 + 30 = 232 points.
200 runs = 300 points. A player scores 243 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 = 343 points.
250 runs = 410 points. A player scores 282 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 442 points
300+ runs = 585 points. A player scores 321 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 125 = 606 points.

Bowling: (per innings)
25 points per wicket with a bonus 50 points for a 5-fer.
An extra 30 points for 6-fer, 45 for 7-fer, 60 for 8-fer, 75 for 9-fer.
An extra 100 bonus points for a 10-fer.

5 wickets = 125 points + 50 = 175 points
6 wickets = 150 points + 50 + 30 = 230 points.
7 wickets = 175 points + 50 + 30 + 45 = 300 points
8 wickets = 200 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 385 points
9 wickets = 225 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 = 485 points
10 wickets = 250 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 + 100 = 610 points

Caught and bowled = 25 points for the wicket + 25 bonus points for the catch = 50 points.

2.
Fielder catches: Your nominated fieldsman earns you 25 points per catch and 25 points for a run out.

3.
Wicket keepers: 50 points for correct selection for most dismissals across both innings.
Or if you think the wicket keepers will take the same number of total dismissals per innings - then nominate "the same" = 50 points.
If they take the same number of catches and stumpings (combined) and you've picked either one of the keepers - then you earn 25 points only.

4.
a) Correctly predict who wins the toss = 25 points
b) Correctly predict what the winning Captain decides to do = 25 points - only for those with part a) above correct; no points if your a) was incorrect.

5.
a) Correctly predict the winning team for each Test match = 125 points.
b) If you guess all 5 Test match outcomes correctly then there is a further 125 point bonus = 625 + 125 = 750 points.
Note: Correctly predict a "Draw" = 125 points

If one (or more) of your selected players gets injured during a match or is dropped from the Test side after a match, then you’ll have the opportunity to select replacement players – either as it happens - for the injured player or before the next Test commences (for a player who gets dropped).
It doesn’t have to be the actual substitute player – it can be somebody else already in the team. However, you don’t receive any of their previous points up until the point of the replacement of the injured player from the field – you must start accumulating points from scratch with them.

*****

December 8-12, 2021: 1st Test at The 'Gabba, Brisbane. Australia won by 9 wickets (1-0)

December 16-20, 2021: 2nd Test (D/N) at Adelaide Oval. Australia won by 275 runs (2-0)

December 26-30, 2021: 3rd Test at MCG. Australia won by an innings and 14 runs (3-0)

January 5-9, 2022: 4th Test at SCG. Match drawn (3-0)

January 14-18, 2022: 5th Test (D/N) at Bellerive Oval, Hobart. Australia won by 146 runs (4-0)


*****

Good Luck!


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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:25 am

Soul Requiem wrote:Thanks as ever PJ, I did pick England to win the toss also.

Sorry Soul. You got the 25 points but I just forgot to add your asterisk and mention above. Fixed now.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:07 am

A solid start to proceedings for all of us by having Cummins!
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:12 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:A solid start to proceedings for all of us by having Cummins!

Shut ya face.

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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:19 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:A solid start to proceedings for all of us by having Cummins!

Indeed. Who said he couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time? He's a very calm and cool performer and has that old style classic Australian captain look about him. A super athlete too.

I also appreciated him saying that there will be no tolerance for sledging. Also with Paine now out of the picture it was so refreshing to see Carey perform his task admirably. Think I heard only one or two words from him all day... and he looks the part too.

Unlike that awful continuous rubbish talk we used to hear from the last one. That was so embarrassing and unnecessary. Less talk and more action without giving the opposition ammunition for motivation... as India took advantage of so well last year.
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Post by Pal Joey Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:10 am

Points Table
1st Test, Brisbane, Day 2:

611 Olly [305]
579 Superflyweight [253]
562 Afro [248]
546 King Carlos [233]
536 Duty [248]
524 Alfie [248]
524 Pal Joey [248]
517 Gooseberry [183]
510 Guildfordbat [233]
500 JDizzle [149]
496 Dolphin [233]
496 James [233]
481 Compelling and Rich [223]
478 Soul Requiem [223]
456 KP_Fan [149]
442 Lowlandbrit [137]
410 Tino [221]

Average score: 510 [222]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Notes:
A big scoring day for Olly who cleaned up with both Warner and Labuschagne.
Superflyweight is not far behind and is only 32 points off the lead.
Alfie & myself have the same picks except for catchers; Pope for Alfie, Stokes for me. We also both went for the draw.
Dolphin & James have the same picks too but Dolph went for an Aus win whilst James went for the draw. So basically it's two pairs of twins all day....
Tino has made up some ground at the rear and trails Lowland by 32 points.
None of us had Travis Head. Sad


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Post by Pal Joey Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:55 pm

I hope everyone's OK. It was a tough and frustrating day for England yesterday, I know. Hang in there. All things must change!

We had a storm of biblical proportions here in Sydney last night... from about 5pm (when Head took the knock on the chops from Wood) until about 1am. I honestly thought the roof was going to collapse under the weight of the rain. A total of 36mm fell from 9pm-12am. I woke up this morning and it's a beautiful clear blue sky... it's as if nothing's happened. A portent for early January perhaps?

I was just down at the shops. The girl at the checkout mentioned the severity of the storm but apparently has some inside information that this phase of above normal rainfall will end in early January. I don't know where she read or heard this and I'm usually not one for weather conspiracy theories. We'll have to wait and see but it would be nice if that were to be true.
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Post by alfie Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:11 am

Spiders , Zombies , and now Biblical Downpours , PJ ?

Someone has it in for you...

Tipping competition could go anywhere : not sure whether England can but we will see in the coming weeks.

Enjoy the sunshine 'cos it remains rather unseasonably cool and overcast down here.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:00 am

Points Table
1st Test, Brisbane, Day 3:

803 Afro [241]
776 Guildfordbat [266]
765 Superflyweight [186]
757 King Carlos [211]
753 Gooseberry [236]
747 Olly [136]
707 Dolphin [211]
707 James [211]
697 Duty [161]
676 Tino [266]
660 Alfie [136]
660 Pal Joey [136]
655 Compelling and Rich [174]
655 Lowlandbrit [213]
636 JDizzle [136]
631 Soul Requiem [153]
586 KP_Fan [130]

Average score: 698 [188]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Notes:
Congratulations to Afro who is our new leader by 27 points after Day 3 after rising from 3rd place.
Afro, Guildford and Tino all benefited strongly today with both Malan and Root scoring plenty of runs.
Guildford rose from 9th to 2nd place on the table.
Tino surged up from 17th to 10th place.
Lots of members are on equal points which makes things interesting leading into the final two days.
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Post by king_carlos Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:04 am

Thanks as always PJ.

A pretty tight contest overall!

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Post by Afro Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:45 am

Thanks PJ.

Was a bit of a punt going for Malan, but the harder pitches always suit him from his early days in South Africa. Feel he is going to have a good tour.
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Post by Pal Joey Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:28 am

Afro wrote:Thanks PJ.

Was a bit of a punt going for Malan, but the harder pitches always suit him from his early days in South Africa. Feel he is going to have a good tour.

It was a good choice, Afro. He's averaging around 47 here and scored that 140 in Perth in 2017. Also four 50s including today's fine knock.
I nearly chose him myself but I opted for Stokes instead.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:49 am

Pretending this competition finished after day 2 for this test Very Happy
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Post by Pal Joey Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:34 am

Points Table
1st Test, Brisbane, Day 4:

1072 Afro [269] # *
1053 Olly [306] # *
1031 Superflyweight [266] # *
1017 Gooseberry [264] # *
1003 Duty [306] # *
988 Dolphin [281] # *
977 JDizzle [341] # *
951 KP_Fan [365] # *
931 Soul Requiem [300] #
930 Guildfordbat [154] *
863 James [156] *
851 Alfie [191] *
838 King Carlos [81]
826 Pal Joey [166] *
797 Compelling and Rich [142] *
789 Lowlandbrit [134] *
745 Tino [69]

Average score: 921 [223]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

# Australia win = 125 points
* Carey most dismissals = 50 points
(Carey: 8 caught behinds; Buttler: 2 caught behinds)


Special Team Scores for the First Test at The Gabba are as follows:

Australia:
1187 - average player score 107.90

England:
858 - average player score 78.00


Top 10 Individual Player Scores: (using the special formula for bonuses, catches, run outs, w/k dismissals)

187 Cummins
172 Head
128 Robinson
115 Lyon
114 Labuschagne
114 Root
114 Warner
110 Starc
109 Wood
108 Malan

Followed by: Carey (101), Green (95), Hazlewood (95), Woakes (87), Buttler (82), Hameed (72)


Notes:
Great work from Afro who maintains a 19-point lead over Olly... with Superfly only a further 22 points behind in 3rd place.
Gooseberry and Duty have also broken the magic 1000-point barrier along with Afro, Olly and Super.
KP_Fan had a big moving day scoring 365 points and JD not far behind with 341 points. They were the only ones with Green.
The top 8 on the ladder had both Carey for most dismissals and the Australia win... so earned 50 + 125 =175 points.
There's a quick turnaround before the 2nd Test in Adelaide on Thursday 16th... but there's no rush for picks just yet. Smile
Thanks everyone. OK
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Post by guildfordbat Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:58 am

Thanks again, Joey.

From 2nd to 10th overnight. Like England, it's clear I can't win with just having one decent day per Test!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:05 am

Congrats Afro and top work as ever PJ!
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Post by KP_fan Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am

Pal Joey wrote:KP_Fan had a big moving day scoring 365 points and JD not far behind with 341 points. They were the only ones with Green.

Yeah I notice he continues to have selections quite identical to mine.

Great Work PJ thumbsup ....this points table will move a lot given potentially 20 more days cricket to come...and all are still withing reach of each other
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Post by alfie Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:48 pm

Afro , Olly and the "guest visitor" Superfly out in front , eh ? Ah well it is a long game this Test Cricket : let us see where it is come Christmas...

Top stuff , PJ : enjoyable as ever.

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Post by JDizzle Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:KP_Fan had a big moving day scoring 365 points and JD not far behind with 341 points. They were the only ones with Green.

Yeah I notice he continues to have selections quite identical to mine.

Great Work PJ thumbsup ....this points table will move a lot given potentially 20 more days cricket to come...and all are still withing reach of each other

Don't flatter yourself KPF - you aren't only one who thinks it is a good idea to pick all rounders. Wink Although not that good an idea looking where I am in the table!

Top stuff as always PJ, many thanks. Good to see a fellow Ciderman in Afro leading the way!

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Post by Pal Joey Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:08 am

Thanks JD.

Pardon my ignorance but is a Ciderman someone from the west or south-west generally or a more specific county such as Somerset or Cornwall?
Are they seen as the tough men in your parts? If so, then I'm pleased for you both. I had some distant relatives from Devon... absolute fearless nutters according to the history books. I'm proud of their achievements! Smile

So it looks like Richardson will be in for Hazlewood and if Warner needs more time for his ribs to heal then Usman Khawaja would probably be his replacement. He's had a pretty decent season thus far and I thought he was unlucky to be overlooked initially. In the 5 Shield matches so far he's scored 460 runs @ 65.71 with a top score of 174 at Adelaide Oval in October.
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Post by JDizzle Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:36 pm

I believe it generally stems from that neck of the woods still making cider the old fashioned ways - Somerset certainly hold that moniker for cricket, given Cornwall and Devon only play minor counties, but given some of the stuff I've drunk when on holiday in Cornwall, they must be tough buggers too! I am only an honorary Somerset fan thought unfortunately, as I don't have a local county and loved Marcus Trescothick as a player... As good a reason as any!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Warner Labuschagne Cummins Hazlewood
Pope Root Woakes Robinson

Smith
Root

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Aussie win


Cheers as ever PJ - good luck to all!

Changing this up slightly for the 2nd test PJ (seeing as it starts at 4am, no chance I will be awake for the start!)

Green Labuschagne Cummins Lyon
Stokes Root Broad Anderson

Smith
Root

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Aussie win

If either Broad or Anderson don't play, I will have Robinson please.
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Post by James100 Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:51 pm

Root, Stokes, Anderson, Robinson (Broad next in line)
Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Starc

Smith, Root

Carey

Australia, bat

Australia win

Thanks PJ!

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Post by Duty281 Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:55 pm

Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Neser/Richardson.
Root, Stokes, Anderson, Broad.

Stokes and Smith as the catchers.

Australia's wicketkeeper.

England win the toss and bowl.

Aussie win.

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Post by KP_fan Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:50 pm

Butler & Stokes
Woakes & Robinson

Carey & Green
Richardson & Cummins

Smith & Stokes Catchers

Carey the WK

Aus win the toss, bat first
Aus win
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Post by Pal Joey Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Thanks Olly, James, Duty and KP_fan. OK

I'll get my thinking cap on this afternoon.
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Post by king_carlos Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:57 pm

Bat - Smith and Labuschagne, Root and Stokes

Bowl - Cummins and Starc, Robinson and Anderson

Fielders - Smith and Root

Keeper - Carey

Toss - Australia win and bat

Result - Australia win

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Post by guildfordbat Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:25 pm

Thanks again, Joey. Same as last time bar toss and result.

Smith Labuschagne Cummins Starc
Malan Root Woakes Robinson (sub Broad)

Smith
Root

Carey

Australia win toss and bat,

Australia win.

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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:00 am

Thanks KC and Guildford.

Just heard on the radio on the way back from town that Warner is going to risk his ribs and play.
Richardson also confirmed as Hazlewood's replacement.
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Post by alfie Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:02 am

Early to be taking a punt on an unlikely result but I am well down the field , so ...

Smith Labuschagne Root Stokes
Cummins Starc Anderson Broad (sub Robinson)

Smith Root

Buttler

Australia win toss and bat

England win (rolling the dice !)

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:09 am

Batting - Labus shag knee & Head / Roooooot and Malan

Bowling - Cummins (only an idiot would have left him out of the first test) and Starc / Anderson & Robinson (Broad in reserve).

Catchers - Smith & Root

Keeper - Carey

England win the toss and bowl.

Outcome - Australia win


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Post by JDizzle Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:54 am

Smith Labushagne, Root Stokes
Jhye Cummins, Robinson Woakes (Anderson as reserve)
Smith, Root
Carey
England and bat
Australia win

Cheers PJ!

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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:14 am

Root Stokes Green Marnus
Anderson Robinson Cummins Starc

Burns Warner

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Australia

Thanks PJ


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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:16 am

Just a quick check on getting both batting and bowling points - so if I pick a batsman who bowls, you get both his bowling and batting points?
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:17 am

Afro wrote:Root Stokes Smith Marnus
Cummins Starc Anderson Robinson

Burns Warner

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Australia

Thanks PJ

I'm coming for you, Afro.

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Post by superflyweight Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:19 am

Labuschagne, Smith, Cummins, Starc
Root, Stokes, Robinson, Anderson

Root, Warner

Carey

Australia, bat

Australia

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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:24 am

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
Afro wrote:Root Stokes Smith Marnus
Cummins Starc Anderson Robinson

Burns Warner

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Australia

Thanks PJ

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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:25 am

Afro wrote:Just a quick check on getting both batting and bowling points - so if I pick a batsman who bowls, you get both his bowling and batting points?

Yes, you get both. i.e. Pick Root as a batsman... but he has a bowl, then you get points for any wickets he takes.

However, you only get his catching points if you specifically nominate him as your fielder.
If you have Stokes, for example, and Root takes a catch... then you don't get those catching points if you have Root as your batting (+bowling) pick.
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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 am

Thanks PJ, that makes sense. I think you have explained that before, but as I head towards old age, my memory is fading!!!

I have tweaked my selection swapping Smith out for Green based on that Whistle
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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:33 am

Labuschagne, Head, Cummins, Lyon... I'll go for a crow-eating local in there.  Smile
Malan, Root, Robinson, Anderson

Smith, Stokes

Carey

Australia, bat

Australia




Change noted Afro. OK
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Post by Duty281 Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:41 am

Duty281 wrote:Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Neser/Richardson.
Root, Stokes, Anderson, Broad.

Stokes and Smith as the catchers.

Australia's wicketkeeper.

England win the toss and bowl.

Aussie win.

Robinson instead of Broad, if Broad isn't picked (as looks likely). Thanks.

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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:44 am

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Neser/Richardson.
Root, Stokes, Anderson, Broad.

Stokes and Smith as the catchers.

Australia's wicketkeeper.

England win the toss and bowl.

Aussie win.

Robinson instead of Broad, if Broad isn't picked (as looks likely). Thanks.

No worries, Duty. Robinson for Broad if he doesn't play. OK
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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:10 am

And I'll do the opposite if Robinson doesn't play and Broad does Ok!
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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:25 am

Afro wrote:And I'll do the opposite if Robinson doesn't play and Broad does Ok!

So Broad in for Robinson... if he plays. Otherwise unchanged. Smile
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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:37 am

Pal Joey wrote:Labuschagne, Head, Cummins, Lyon... I'll go for a crow-eating local in there.  Smile
Malan, Root, Robinson, Anderson

Smith, Stokes

Carey

Australia, bat

Australia

I'll swap Lyon for Richardson and put a bit of pressure on him.

So Labuschagne, Head, Cummins and Richardson.
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Post by Afro Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:48 am

Pal Joey wrote:
Afro wrote:And I'll do the opposite if Robinson doesn't play and Broad does Ok!

So Broad in for Robinson... if he plays.  Otherwise unchanged. Smile

Sorry, I'm confusing things!

Keep it as I have submitted as I'd be surprised if Robinson doesn't play
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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:23 pm

Afro wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
Afro wrote:And I'll do the opposite if Robinson doesn't play and Broad does Ok!

So Broad in for Robinson... if he plays.  Otherwise unchanged. Smile

Sorry, I'm confusing things!

Keep it as I have submitted as I'd be surprised if Robinson doesn't play

Gotcha. Smile
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Post by Lowlandbrit Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:58 pm

Let's go nuts: I'll have another roll of everything from last time.

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Post by Pal Joey Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:01 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Let's go nuts: I'll have another roll of everything from last time.

So this OK, Lowland?

Lowlandbrit wrote:
Harris, Smith, Starc, Cummins
Hameed, Root, Stokes, Robinson

Labuschagne, Burns

Carey

Eng field

Draw
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Post by Soul Requiem Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:59 pm

Labuschagne, Smith, Cummins, Leon
Stokes, Malan, Robinson, Anderson

Warner, Stokes

Carey

Australia bat

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Post by compelling and rich Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:03 pm

Labuschagne, Smith, Cummins, starc
Root, Malan, Robinson, Anderson

Warner, Stokes

Carey

Australia bat

Australia win

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