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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 01 Jan 2022, 12:26 pm

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2022 starts off with a decent heavyweight showdown. Luis Ortiz vs ‘Prince’ Charles Martin. Winner may get back into the bigger picture, loser is surely finished.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun 12 Jun 2022, 1:17 am

Daniel Dubois destroyed Trevor Bryan to win the secondary WBA heavyweight title. Dubois laid out the American in round 4. Total mismatch.
Dubois will get a shot at the full title somewhere down the line - Helenius and winner of Hunter/H Fury also in the mix.
I really wish they would bin these secondary titles. You end up with 2-3 fighters claiming to be mandatory.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 12 Jun 2022, 9:17 am

Hard to take in how bad Bryan was... A one dimensional fat statue...All the old trialhorses from the 80s...Broad and Ribalta etc...Play with him..

Dubious looks ordinary...Pick Chisora to beat him.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 12 Jun 2022, 10:47 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hard to take in how bad Bryan was... A one dimensional fat statue...All the old trialhorses from the 80s...Broad and Ribalta etc...Play with him..

Dubious looks ordinary...Pick Chisora to beat him.

The Chisora of 5 years ago maybe, but now? Not so sure Truss.

It'll be interesting how and where Dubois goes now. Does he do a Herbie Hide and chase the easier defences such as Takam or does he try to go for the bigger fish? Worryingly the next 3 on the WBA ranking list are the instantly forgetful Michael Hunter, Robert Helenius (who's always open to a big shot) and the not particularly good anyway Hughie Fury. He could end up fighting a whole load of dross that would make David Haye's WBA reign look positively glorious.

He's far more marketable than Joe Joyce though, who despite beating Dubois has done nothing other than a workmanlike takedown of Carlos Takam and has a fight against the formidable TBA next month. He's no closer to a world title shot than before he fought Dubois. He could be a wasted talent. I'd love to see him against a fighter like Ruiz Jnr or even Frank Sanchez - that would be a good fight.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 12 Jun 2022, 10:50 am

And Bryan was an utter joke - he made fat Andy look like a decathlete.

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Post by No name Bertie Sun 12 Jun 2022, 11:39 am

Five sanctioning bodies (WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO) and each sanctioning body has two world heavyweight titles - super and regular.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 12 Jun 2022, 12:06 pm

No name Bertie wrote:Five sanctioning bodies (WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO) and each sanctioning body has two world heavyweight titles - super and regular.

The IBO isn't fully recognised, holding its title doesn't make one a world champion while only the WBA has two champions.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun 12 Jun 2022, 12:08 pm

Jaime Munguia goes to 40-0 with a fifth round stoppage of Jimmy Kelly.

I thought Mannix was a little generous to Kelly with his scoring for DAZN, but he did make Munguia look relatively average despite adopting a pretty low-key fencing style.

Munguia gets painted as some potential bogeyman who the top guys at 154 and 160 are hoping will go away, but I'm just not having it. I don't think his handlers fancy him against even a 40 year old Golovkin or Charlo and are keeping him fed.on a diet of second-raters for a reason. He looked sloppy, too eager to head hunt and way too hittable when opening up last night.

I appreciate that having turned professional so young he was always going to serve a longer apprenticeship before graduating to the big time, but he needs to show he's serious about taking on the big guns now.
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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 12 Jun 2022, 2:43 pm

Thing is Chris, when GGG fights Canelo in what will presumably be his last fight, 2 middleweight titles will become vacant, right at the time where Munguia can hoover one up against a no-hope opponent.

Easy title then...

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun 12 Jun 2022, 3:37 pm

That's true, Bounce, although Alimkhanuly hasn't even had a third of the professional fights that Munguia has, but already looks more impressive and a better fit for the pros than Munguai.

Now there's a fighter (Alimkhanuly) who I could see being swerved down the line. Long and successful amateur career but he has taken to the pros well in terms of bringing a complete game to the table and looking better with each fight. I'm very interested to see what he can do in the pros, albeit it might be a while before he bags a big fight.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun 12 Jun 2022, 9:17 pm

Munguia has been mandatory for Andrade since he moved up from 154. ODLH and Munguia obviously don’t fancy it as they are happy to to keep facing stiffs.
If/when GGG vacates, Munguia isn’t facing for the WBA or IBF. His only guaranteed shot remains with WBO.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 12 Jun 2022, 10:44 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Munguia has been mandatory for Andrade since he moved up from 154. ODLH and Munguia obviously don’t fancy it as they are happy to to keep facing stiffs.
If/when GGG vacates, Munguia isn’t facing for the WBA or IBF. His only guaranteed shot remains with WBO.

If that's the current situation, I would expect ODLH to exert some pressure and Munguia will suddenly appear near the top of either or both. Too much money to be made.

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Post by Mr Bounce Tue 14 Jun 2022, 7:59 pm

Fury teases a "comeback". Nobody anywhere in the world is surprised.

https://fightnews.com/surprise-tyson-fury-teases-comeback/133825

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 14 Jun 2022, 8:19 pm

What else is he going to do.

Notice the WBC haven't vacated the title..They are bored with this retirement stuff as everybody else.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue 14 Jun 2022, 9:40 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What else is he going to do.

Notice the WBC haven't vacated the title..They are bored with this retirement stuff as everybody else.
According to the WBC rules, in the event of a fighter retiring after a mandatory defence, the title doesn’t need to be vacated until 365 days have elapsed.
And there was no real chance WBC would strip Fury - especially as there’s currently no mandatory.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:19 pm

Big fight tonight, Beterbiev vs Smith Jr in New York. Prior to the bout Bob Arum announces that Beterbiev will face Yarde in London should he beat Smith Jr. Literally everything wants Beterbiev vs Bivol...Arum bloody fudger...

Anyway tonight’s fight will be a fire fight. I’ve got Beterbiev inside 6.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 18 Jun 2022, 9:25 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Big fight tonight, Beterbiev vs Smith Jr in New York. Prior to the bout Bob Arum announces that Beterbiev will face Yarde in London should he beat Smith Jr. Literally everything wants Beterbiev vs Bivol...Arum bloody fudger...

Anyway tonight’s fight will be a fire fight. I’ve got Beterbiev inside 6.

Definitely a case of who lands first. Beterbiev can be put down - see his firefight with Callum Johnson, but keeping him there will be a different matter. I think he has way too much of everything for Smith. I reckon that both will have their moments, but for me it will be a brutal KO by Beterbiev in the first 4 rounds.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 18 Jun 2022, 9:29 pm

I'm hoping for a Smith win but reckon it'll be another crude uninspiring knockout for Beterbiev.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 11:31 pm

Smith early or Beterbiev late, with the latter being more likely for me.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun 19 Jun 2022, 4:38 am

Artur Beterbiev mauls Joe Smith Jr winning via second round TKO. Beterbiev dropped Smith Jr 3 times, before the ref stopped it.
That Chechen power is something else, Beterbiev literally demolished a really good fighter.

Beterbiev vs Yarde next in London.

Somewhere down the line hopefully we get Beterbiev vs Bivol. Bivol undoubtedly the master technician, but if Beterbiev touches him, he takes him out.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 19 Jun 2022, 8:55 am

That was blunt force trauma from Beterbiev. As soon as Smith felt his power, he really wasn't sure what to do. He obviously thought that his only chance was to fight fire with fire, and to hell with his jab. It clearly was not enough.

Beterbiev has called out Bivol - that would be an intriguing meeting of different styles. As Jeff says, if Bivol gets caught, it's "night night". However, we have seen that Bivol is not fazed by a big occasion and has a lot of ability. Fascinating match-up.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun 19 Jun 2022, 9:30 am

Fantastic performance by Beterbiev. I really thought Smith would at least extend him and make it a bit of a dog fight.

Of course Smith is one-dimensional and he didn't seem to have any plan or survival instincts once the going got tough, but that was easily the most impressive I've ever seen Beterbiev look and he showed a couple of things (even in such a short fight) that I've wondered whether he had. Looked a notch quicker and sharper, better punch variety and accuracy, and even showed for the first time that he can land effective shots when he's under fire himself.

There was a suspicion beforehand that Beterbiev might be ripe for an upset loss due to his age and struggles making 175, but on that performance not a bit of it. Says he wants Bivol next ahead of Yarde. I'm not quite sure we'll get that due to promotional divides and the fact that they might end up wrapping Bivol in cotton wool for a Canelo rematch, but if they can offer Beterbiev enough money to get him over to London for Yarde I'd be getting a ticket for that one.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun 19 Jun 2022, 10:34 am

Seems like we won’t be getting Beterbiev vs Bivol anytime soon.
Beterbiev vs Yarde is already confirmed.
Bivol’s side are speaking to Buatsi and Zurdo over a mandatory defence.
Bivol’s co-promoter, World of Boxing, wants the unification in Russia. That’s not happening until sometime next year. And it still depends on whether Canelo takes the rematch.
Undisputed, for my money, final quarter of 2023 at the earliest.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Sun 19 Jun 2022, 11:25 am

Ward coming out of retirement to fight Beterbiev? I think not

Win, lose or draw, you can’t knock Yarde’s balls. He’s got big balls. Honestly, I thought they’d try to age Beterbiev out, instead they’re taking him now just as he’s peaking. You got to respect that and he’s capable of taking out anyone himself.  A place surely in British boxing history for the East Londoner ( up there with Lloyd’s Curry win)  if he pulls it off. Tunde and the team got their work cut out devising a plan in this one but it’s a fight you can’t miss, nor blink either.

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Post by No name Bertie Sun 19 Jun 2022, 11:40 am

The last I heard Bivol hasn't been paid for his fight against Canelo, because Bivol is Russian and apparently falls under some sort of sanction for being Russian during what is happening in Ukraine. Not sure if the same applies to Beterbiev, although he holds dual nationality.

Styles make fights and it seems that Smith Jr fighting style was very convenient for Beterbiev.

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Post by No name Bertie Sun 19 Jun 2022, 11:45 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:Ward coming out of retirement to fight Beterbiev? I think not
Andre Ward: ..... born Feb 23, 1984 (age 38)
Artur Beterbiev:. born Jan 21, 1985 (age 37)

Age wise Ward should be capable assuming he has kept himself fit but I agree this is most unlikely to happen for various reasons.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 19 Jun 2022, 1:51 pm

Ward is a very intelligent Man...He won't come out of retirement and nor should he...

Anyway he has just been inducted in to the HOF..

For me the Number 1 168 pounder with Joe second.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Sun 19 Jun 2022, 2:12 pm

But Ward no longevity at the weight?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 19 Jun 2022, 2:26 pm

Froch and prime Kessler are superb wins...

Calzaghe is a great but he wanted no part of Carl....and why should he ??..at his age.. Robin Reid was unlucky too.

No problem with those who have Joe first.. Wonderful talent.

Jones Jr/Hopkins syndrome..

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun 19 Jun 2022, 2:39 pm

Yeah, Ward might prod at the idea to get a few people talking and to have some attention shone his way again, but I suspect that's just the ego of a fighter which never quite dies, no matter how long you've been retired. I doubt he's serious about the proposition.

Did anyone watch Robeisy Ramirez last night on the undercard against Abraham Nova? Slightly sticky first round, but aside from that Robeisy's straight left down the pipe, aggression and movement proved way too much for Abraham, who was knocked clean out in the fifth.

Starting to come together for Ramirez slowly but surely, after he had such a tough start to his professional career after all the expectation heaped upon him by his glittering amateur one, but it did get me thinking - haven't the 2016 crop of Olympic medalists been pretty poor so far in the professional game? A bit like the 2008 lot. Granted, a few of them stayed on for another crack in Tokyo, but usually six years after an Olympics a good chunk of the standout boxers from those Games have gone on to star status in the pros, won world titles, had big fights or even become established pound for pounders in some cases.

But apart from Stevenson and maybe Akhmadaliev, none of Class of 2016 have really looked all that great in pros in terms of getting to the top of a division or consistently showing the qualities needed to be amongst the best. At least not yet anyway. And it's been very slow and frustrating progress for some of them, admittedly not helped by the Covid slowdown.

Time for a couple more of them to start backing up those medals in the pro ranks.
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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 19 Jun 2022, 3:36 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:But Ward no longevity at the weight?

Seven title defences is reasonable longevity especially considering the opponents.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue 21 Jun 2022, 9:46 am

Joe Joyce will face Christian Hammer after the collapse of the Joseph Parker fight.
Arum/Warren talking up Tyson Fury vs Joe Joyce later in 2022…
Thought Tyson was retired….

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Post by Derbymanc Tue 21 Jun 2022, 9:52 am

Tysons come back out again and said he's definitely NOT retired and will fight again.
What
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SHOCKER

In other news, Josh Taylor did an interview with the bbc on the Catterall fight, once again comes off a bit whiny BUT makes some cracking points on people abusing his family afterwards. Not on in the slightest, not really Taylors fault either, we put up with the bad judging and it carries on, again, another shocker.

Also some news on Amateur boxing with it just about being confirmed the whole thing has been corrupt since at least 2016 olympics, this has shook me to the absolute core as we all know the amateurs is full of angels ;-P

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 21 Jun 2022, 8:09 pm

Taylor talking about his family is a diversionary tactic....He lost...He is staying at the weight apparently so fight Catterall again...

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Post by Mr Bounce Tue 21 Jun 2022, 8:48 pm

How's about this for you couldn't make it up: Jarrell Miller is returning on June 23rd against Esteban Bracamonte (nope, me neither) in Argentina as part of the WBA's 2-day KO DRUGS FESTIVAL Laugh

Honestly.

Stop the world. I want to get off. I can't cope with much more of this madness.

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Post by Derbymanc Wed 22 Jun 2022, 8:45 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Taylor talking about his family is a diversionary tactic....He lost...He is staying at the weight apparently so fight Catterall again...

Hes got a point as well though Truss and we all know some of the idiots that follow the sport, regardless of what you think his family should be kept out of it.

apparently he's got a mandatory defence and then he says he'll face Caterall again, i can actually see this massively affecting his legacy if he doesn't take the rematch.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 22 Jun 2022, 7:20 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Taylor talking about his family is a diversionary tactic....He lost...He is staying at the weight apparently so fight Catterall again...

Hes got a point as well though Truss and we all know some of the idiots that follow the sport, regardless of what you think his family should be kept out of it.

apparently he's got a mandatory defence and then he says he'll face Caterall again, i can actually see this massively affecting his legacy if he doesn't take the rematch.

They are Curtis Woodhouse type trolls....But certainly family should be off limits no arguments there.

If he fights Catterall and beats him and I think he will....Then no legacy problems..

Sometimes styles and all that..Mosley/Forrest/Mayorga

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Post by Mr Bounce Fri 24 Jun 2022, 8:37 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:How's about this for you couldn't make it up: Jarrell Miller is returning on June 23rd against Esteban Bracamonte (nope, me neither) in Argentina as part of the WBA's 2-day KO DRUGS FESTIVAL Laugh

Honestly.

Stop the world. I want to get off. I can't cope with much more of this madness.

Miller won by UD but weighed 341lbs for the fight. Very rusty and unfit by the sound of it. The 2 fighters had a combined weight of close to 650lbs...

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 24 Jun 2022, 9:28 pm

I saw a photo of Miller at the weigh in. ‘Big baby’ more like big obese guy. I guess he couldn’t be bothered to train for this fight.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 25 Jun 2022, 2:35 pm

Even Valuev was only about 325lbs, and he had the decency to be 7ft2... Shocked

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 25 Jun 2022, 10:37 pm

One decent fight out of six on SKY...Azim headlining against tomato cans that remind one of Audley on the BBC .

Adam Smith grovelling more than usual and Natasha Jonas as the token female we are saddled with on every Sports panel that offers nothing but the obvious..

SKY and Boxxer need to do better..

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Post by Jeff Navarro Yesterday at 10:53 am

Jesse ‘Bam’ Rodriguez stopped the former two time super flyweight champion Srisaket Sor Rungvisai by 8th round stoppage. It was a star arriving announcement victory. Big fights with Chocolatito and Estrada are available.

Rodriguez’s says he’ll potentially move down to 112lbs as his brother also fights at 115lbs and obviously the two brother will not fight each other.

Murodjon Akhmadaliev defended his WBA/IBF super bantamweight titles by stopping Ronny Rios in the 12th round.
This should now lead to Murodjon Akhmadaliev vs Stephen Fulton in an undisputed bout.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Yesterday at 8:13 pm

I see 32-12 Chisora and a past it guy coming off a hiding off the third or fourth best Heavy in the World have done one of those Table sit down thingys for Hearn..

Really ??...Meaningless fight with two losers...Why not get two thugs from the local bar headlining the next promotion..

Ridiculous...

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