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Post by GPB Sat 01 Jan 2022, 2:32 pm

First topic message reminder :

Happy New Year.  After a nearly a year and half, its time for a new thread.

39 ofthe 40 Players eligible to play Sentry ToC are playing.  Only one missing is Rory McIlroy.

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Post by McLaren Tue 22 Feb 2022, 11:23 pm

Just when you think Mickelson can't make it any worse.

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Basically this is just him groveling to the "visionaries" that are the Saudi golf league. This statement is just so devoid of any understanding about what he got wrong and what he can do to mend relationships with the PGAT (which includes his fellow players, you are the PGAT phil). It is just crazy that in a supposed apology he us still waxing lyrical about how everyone else other than him and the Saudis just don't get it.

And do we think "some time away to prioritize" is code for he got a ban? I thought in Phils case the ban from the PGAT wouldn't have followed the historical precedent of them being hushed up, but maybe they afforded him a final act of charity given how far he has fallen.

And KPMG are presumably the first of many that will dump him.
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Post by super_realist Wed 23 Feb 2022, 7:27 am

Hes just an American Mac, not known for diplomacy or intelligence, see Biden's inept statement yesterday for example

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 23 Feb 2022, 10:16 am

McLaren wrote:Just when you think Mickelson can't make it any worse.

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Basically this is just him groveling to the "visionaries" that are the Saudi golf league. This statement is just so devoid of any understanding about what he got wrong and what he can do to mend relationships with the PGAT (which includes his fellow players, you are the PGAT phil). It is just crazy that in a supposed apology he us still waxing lyrical about how everyone else other than him and the Saudis just don't get it.

And do we think "some time away to prioritize" is code for he got a ban? I thought in Phils case the ban from the PGAT wouldn't have followed the historical precedent of them being hushed up, but maybe they afforded him a final act of charity given how far he has fallen.

And KPMG are presumably the first of many that will dump him.

He thinks he's the smartest bloke in the room, when evidently he isn't. Quite liked the No Laying Up podcast saying they'd love to play him at poker, because he wouldn't be able to bluff at all Very Happy

I don't see how the PGA Tour doesn't ban him for a while? I'm not sure if this was coded wording McLaren, Phil released this statement at a rather strategic time (two minutes after a PGA Tour meeting with players, so they wouldn't see it before that meeting)...so I'm not sure he's exactly in lock step with them. As you note, he doesn't actually apologise to the PGA Tour in anyway in that statement and basically is trying to still present himself as some sort of almost martyr?

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Post by pedro Wed 23 Feb 2022, 12:13 pm

McLaren wrote:It's possible FIGJAM is broke? Wasted all his wealth.
I doubt it. He has $250M in the PGA Tour pension fund.
But with his history of gambling and tax evasion you can not be surprised he's chasing the money. Just wonder what the PGA Tour did to piss him off?

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Post by McLaren Wed 23 Feb 2022, 12:29 pm

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He won't get that in a lump sum. He could easily have a cash flow problem.


And he made it pretty clear what the PGAT did to piss him off. They didn't give him enough money and gave too much to the guys further down the rankings (which Phil is now :headscratch: )

He has also decided that the tour has stolen the media rights he gave up in joining the tour, those same rights that the tour (which includes him) sell to TV broadcasters in order to generate the money needed to run the tour. The guy is a dumb ass. He thinks that selling a Phil Mickelson NFT is worth more than the tour being able to sell a TV package.
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Post by pedro Wed 23 Feb 2022, 12:36 pm

I think Phils statement is nauseating, the way only Americans can make them.

Everybody knows getting deeply involved with the Saudi's would be like opening a can of worms. Just see the amount of stick Qatar is getting now the World Cup is approaching. It's just lose lose. You should deal with these regimes at arms length.

However, what I did like about Phil's original comments to Shipnuck is that he is blatantly honest and basically illustrates the dilemma the West has been in for years, and which we also have been discussing in this forum. Not only when in comes to Saudi (and the Saudi Invitational in the past few years), but also when it comes to sports dealings with China, Qatar, Russia and other dodgy regimes: They are all terrible regimes, but they have money and they stage big sporting events, so what do we do about that?

The PGA Tour will undoubtedly survive regardless, but where would European Golf be with out the Emiratis? And where would the English Premier league be without gulf money and corrupt oligarcs?

So at least I hope the Phil-gate would contribute to opening this discussion once again. In the ideal world we would show them the middle finger, but unfortunately I don't see that happen anytime soon.

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Post by pedro Wed 23 Feb 2022, 12:42 pm

McLaren wrote:Pedro

He won't get that in a lump sum. He could easily have a cash flow problem.


And he made it pretty clear what the PGAT did to piss him off. They didn't give him enough money and gave too much to the guys further down the rankings (which Phil is now Headscratch )

He has also decided that the tour has stolen the media rights he gave up in joining the tour, those same rights that the tour (which includes him) sell to TV broadcasters in order to generate the money needed to run the tour. The guy is a dumb ass. He thinks that selling a Phil Mickelson NFT is worth more than the tour being able to sell a TV package.
Yes he might have squandered his money in Vegas and now need some padding until his pension. But as the players own the PGA Tour, and as he has been one of the big names for 25+ years, you should think he would have been in a position to negotiate a decent deal when it comes to media rights. What happened to this new thing about players getting paid based on their media attractiveness? One should think that spoke in favour of Phil.

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Post by Shotrock Wed 23 Feb 2022, 1:04 pm

Lots of upstart leagues have been started here in the states and some have succeeded: the ABA became so big the NBA basically assumed it.

But lots of other have failed: USFL, XFL to name two.

Adding to the complexity for golf is that venues have to be secured, crowd logistics managed and media rights negotiated and contracted for. No small task ... but throwing money sure helps things go smoother and faster.

So good luck to the league, but it's a long shot IMO.

FIGJAM sure didn't help the cause. My thinking is that his self perception is so out of whack that he simply thinks his gee-whiz smile (and the fact that he's been pandered to by many rich and powerful jock sniffers) gets him a free pass on his comments.

That didn't happen.

I found this amusing and telling: Dan Rapaport@Daniel_RapaportOne thing a tour player said to me last week about Phil Mickelson, anonymously, has stuck with me. “This is nothing new. The world is just starting to see what we’ve known.”3:02 PM · Feb 22, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

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Post by McLaren Wed 23 Feb 2022, 3:59 pm

Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
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Post by LadyPutt Wed 23 Feb 2022, 10:23 pm

McLaren wrote:Just when you think Mickelson can't make it any worse.

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Basically this is just him groveling to the "visionaries" that are the Saudi golf league. This statement is just so devoid of any understanding about what he got wrong and what he can do to mend relationships with the PGAT (which includes his fellow players, you are the PGAT phil). It is just crazy that in a supposed apology he us still waxing lyrical about how everyone else other than him and the Saudis just don't get it.

And do we think "some time away to prioritize" is code for he got a ban? I thought in Phils case the ban from the PGAT wouldn't have followed the historical precedent of them being hushed up, but maybe they afforded him a final act of charity given how far he has fallen.

And KPMG are presumably the first of many that will dump him.
What I can’t quite work out is who he is apologising to - the PGA Tour who he has insulted, his fellow professionals (ditto) or his potential paymasters, the Saudis and Greg Norman. I suspect the latter in which case this grovelling apology just makes it worse.
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Post by super_realist Thu 24 Feb 2022, 6:19 am

McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
Jesus will be a vice captain. Praise the Lord.

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Post by pedro Thu 24 Feb 2022, 10:30 am

McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
They chose the guy with less charisma than a soaked Monday morning newspaper. Zach is a nice guy, but I can't imagine players like Brooks, Bryson or Dustin going out there "to win for their captain"...

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Post by pedro Thu 24 Feb 2022, 10:35 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
Jesus will be a  vice captain. Praise the Lord.
Pope Francis will be VC. It's a win or the purgatory.

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Post by pedro Thu 24 Feb 2022, 10:37 am

LadyPutt wrote:
McLaren wrote:Just when you think Mickelson can't make it any worse.

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Basically this is just him groveling to the "visionaries" that are the Saudi golf league. This statement is just so devoid of any understanding about what he got wrong and what he can do to mend relationships with the PGAT (which includes his fellow players, you are the PGAT phil). It is just crazy that in a supposed apology he us still waxing lyrical about how everyone else other than him and the Saudis just don't get it.

And do we think "some time away to prioritize" is code for he got a ban? I thought in Phils case the ban from the PGAT wouldn't have followed the historical precedent of them being hushed up, but maybe they afforded him a final act of charity given how far he has fallen.

And KPMG are presumably the first of many that will dump him.
What I can’t quite work out is who he is apologising to - the PGA Tour who he has insulted, his fellow professionals (ditto) or his potential paymasters, the Saudis and Greg Norman. I suspect the latter in which case this grovelling apology just makes it worse.
It comes across as an a la carte excuse to anyone who might be offended, either on their own or on others behalf. Pathetic.

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Post by incontinentia Thu 24 Feb 2022, 11:43 am

McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
Woods mustnt have been interested, surely he'd be way higher on the pecking order than Zzzach.
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Post by pedro Thu 24 Feb 2022, 11:51 am

incontinentia wrote:
McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
Woods mustnt have been interested, surely he'd be way higher on the pecking order than Zzzach.
Think he needs more reps.

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Post by McLaren Thu 24 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm

Ladyputt

I am pretty sure it was a half baked attempt by Phil to ensure he could still tap into the Saudi slush fund. I doubt they were wooed.



Also, apparently The shark has written to the players informing them the nasty PGAT can't actually ban them for joining the SGL.
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Post by incontinentia Fri 25 Feb 2022, 9:04 am

Brandel Chamblee really ripped Phil on a recent podcast.



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Post by McLaren Fri 25 Feb 2022, 2:50 pm

Not sure how we have missed it so far, but there has to be a shark jump joke somewhere in there with all this Norman and Phil stuff.
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Post by McLaren Fri 25 Feb 2022, 2:51 pm

Inco, at what time in that podcast does brandel rip into phil? Probably don't have time to listen to it all but would be interested to hear that.
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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 3:07 pm

Brandel is a fud too

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Post by incontinentia Fri 25 Feb 2022, 4:12 pm

McLaren wrote:Inco, at what time in that podcast does brandel rip into phil? Probably don't have time to listen to it all but would be interested to hear that.
Mainly from 5:00 to 10:00, then from 24:00 he catalogues instances of Phil's past behaviour that could be considered concerning.


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Post by incontinentia Sun 27 Feb 2022, 10:09 pm

Go Shane Lowry.

Was pleased to check the leaderboard this morning and see him tied 2nd. The pga tour's 3rd round highlights video didn't feature him at all Rolling Eyes
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Post by TM2K Mon 28 Feb 2022, 1:29 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Apparently Zach Johnson will be the US RC captain in Rome. We knew it wasn't going to be FIGJAM.
Jesus will be a  vice captain. Praise the Lord.

I can picture the headlines already…zach abandoning all qualification processes in favour of a complete team full of picks…his picks…perhaps his very own 12 disciples to enjoy supper with.
Come on super, who’ll take the 30 pieces of silver, betray his leader and throw him under the bus?? Got to be a level CROSSing pun in there somewhere if we put our heads together

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Post by TM2K Mon 28 Feb 2022, 2:07 am

As for Johnson being devoid of any charisma or personality and not likely to inspire certain team members…I’m not actually sure if there’s a great deal of substance to any of that. From what I’ve read and heard he’s a pretty popular guy on tour and certainly very well respected by the younger generation. Two major wins and both of them quality wins at that…you’d have to think somebody like Morikawa would admire his achievements seeing as he’s not one the game’s bombers and has always plotted and thought his way around the course. I’m pretty sure I read an article highlighting how there was an increase in the number of “shorter hitters” winning on tour last year and the predicted dominance of the big boys failing to materialise…I can only think that’s good for the game.

And if there were certain disciples on his team that we’re looking to the captain for motivation, my view is any issues solely lie with them and if they can’t get up for a Ryder cup themselves then perhaps they shouldn’t be there to begin with.

Just take the European captains as an example, does anyone think Mcginley was held in high esteem for his successes as a player or thought of him as someone they’d look up to?? But to a man, the European side all speak very fondly of him and his captaincy…just shows it’s not really about playing pedigree when it comes to a captain’s role. Everyone I know can’t stand listening to his commentary on sky and thinks he irritating beyond belief but that clearly didn’t affect his RC role which is widely considered to have been a great success.
I’d doubt Faldo or Clarke’s playing pedigree did them too many favours

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Post by super_realist Mon 28 Feb 2022, 7:23 am

Morikawa is 60th in driving distance out of 222 players, hes only 18 yards behind longest driver Champ, so he's not short by any means.

Flado also has no personality, look what happened.

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Post by incontinentia Mon 28 Feb 2022, 11:44 am

Sounds like Big Shane was in very hard luck yesterday; a downpour of rain arrived just as he was about to tee off on 18, which prevented him reaching the green in two and making birdie to make a play off. I fancy him for a win in the next couple of months though, hopefully the Masters!
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Post by Shotrock Mon 28 Feb 2022, 3:04 pm

You would think that if anyone could have handled the rain it would be Irish born and bred golfer Lowry.

Some bad luck but that's how things go. Still, a confidence builder for him.

Phil not really liked (respected for sure until recently), by his fellow pros. Not someone I would pick for RC Capt.





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Post by TM2K Mon 28 Feb 2022, 3:23 pm

I didn’t realise Morikawa was 60th in driving distance, but theory still kind of stands, he does think his way round the course and is a phenomenal iron player with some of the smallest dispersion numbers ever seen.
Does show how little’s between the top guys though if he’s less than 20 yards behind the top guy

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Post by I'm never wrong Mon 28 Feb 2022, 9:06 pm

1. Bryson DeChambeau out of Arnold Palmer Invitational. He's only 90% fit and doesn't want to come back to early from injury in case he has to take time off later on.

2. After the Honda, we have completed 40% of the regular season.

3. No final qualifying in England this year for the US Open.

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Post by pedro Tue 01 Mar 2022, 10:49 am

incontinentia wrote:Sounds like Big Shane was in very hard luck yesterday; a downpour of rain arrived just as he was about to tee off on 18, which prevented him reaching the green in two and making birdie to make a play off. I fancy him for a win in the next couple of months though, hopefully the Masters!
Kitayama and Straka both reached the green in two (and made birdie) in equally heavy rain. Big Shane's problem was that he missed the fw.

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Post by McLaren Tue 01 Mar 2022, 1:25 pm

Morikawa might be 60th in driving distance but he is almost Tiger'esque from 150+ out.
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Post by ralphjohn69 Tue 01 Mar 2022, 7:50 pm

pedro wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Sounds like Big Shane was in very hard luck yesterday; a downpour of rain arrived just as he was about to tee off on 18, which prevented him reaching the green in two and making birdie to make a play off. I fancy him for a win in the next couple of months though, hopefully the Masters!
Kitayama and Straka both reached the green in two (and made birdie) in equally heavy rain. Big Shane's problem was that he missed the fw.

The difference is Straka & Kitayama had both hit their drives before the heavy rain came on, Straka only had 199 in and from memory Kitayama was something like 215. Once the heavy stuff came on it was almost impossible to hit a long enough drive to get there in 2.

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Post by Shotrock Thu 03 Mar 2022, 12:25 pm


This cash award confuses me:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/sports/golf/pga-tiger-woods-phil-mickelson.html

But, FIGJAM continues to put foot in mouth.

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 03 Mar 2022, 1:32 pm

Shotrock wrote:
This cash award confuses me:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/sports/golf/pga-tiger-woods-phil-mickelson.html

But, FIGJAM continues to put foot in mouth.
The site is asking me to log in, and I don't want to. But if you are talking about the PIP award, I have seen one explanation that is plausible, and one with a conspiracy theory.

The plausible explanation is that it is the IMPACT of the player over the media, not just how many tweets etc they did. So the video of Tiger hitting a 3 wood and his attendance at the father/son challenge surpassed anything anyone else did.
The conspiracy theory relates to Jordan Spieth. Apparently it's his father or father in law that devised the system to measure the impact. So that is why with only 29 tweets, Jordan Spieth got into the top ten. Allegedly.

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Post by McLaren Thu 03 Mar 2022, 1:49 pm

INW

I think it is true that Jordan Spieth's father's company does have something to do with the measurement for PIP but Spieth is clearly one of the top 10 most impactful players whoever measures it.

As you said it is rumored to be about more than just social media posts, and in that light it makes even more sense that Spieth is in the top 10 and that Tiger is still the guy that moves the needle the most.
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Post by incontinentia Fri 04 Mar 2022, 2:43 pm

Another Thursday clinic from Rory, golfing genius. Be interesting to see where he finishes on Sunday.
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Post by Shotrock Fri 04 Mar 2022, 3:25 pm

For sure …. Hope he keeps that form for Augusta.

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Post by I'm never wrong Fri 04 Mar 2022, 4:56 pm

Watching the early coverage on Sky which takes its feed from PGA Live. The commentators explained the graphic next to the players name and score. It's a box divided by a line. The players position will appear above the line if he's going to make the cut, below the line if he's going to miss. No line, and he's on the mark. Good to know.

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Post by incontinentia Fri 04 Mar 2022, 5:34 pm

Shotrock wrote:For sure …. Hope he keeps that form for Augusta.
I have longed for him to avenge 2011, but you get the feeling it just ain't gonna happen.
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Post by McLaren Sat 05 Mar 2022, 2:02 am

Rory's bad round can often be a 75. I wonder if today was his obligatory bad round and it was only level?
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Post by LadyPutt Sun 06 Mar 2022, 4:43 pm

McLaren wrote:Rory's bad round can often be a 75. I wonder if today was his obligatory bad round and it was only level?
Followed by a 76! The scores of 65/72/76 are not exactly the way to go - backwards. Rolling Eyes
And another 76 today. Won’t be putting any money on him any day soon.
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Post by incontinentia Mon 07 Mar 2022, 7:48 am

LadyPutt wrote:
McLaren wrote:Rory's bad round can often be a 75. I wonder if today was his obligatory bad round and it was only level?
Followed by a 76! The scores of 65/72/76 are not exactly the way to go - backwards. Rolling Eyes
And another 76 today. Won’t be putting any money on him any day soon.
Rory seems to be blaming the conditions more than his play, he sounded very frustrated in his post-round comments yesterday.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 07 Mar 2022, 10:21 am

The conditions were brutal out there - Scheffler won hitting only 5 fairways, and somehow managed to scramble an even par round!

Two wins in three starts for him now, with a top 10 at Riv in between. Looks like he's taken great confidence from that captains pick for the Ryder Cup and really pushed on
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Post by incontinentia Mon 07 Mar 2022, 12:43 pm

I really like the cut of Scheffler's jib.
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Post by GPB Mon 07 Mar 2022, 3:50 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:The conditions were brutal out there - Scheffler won hitting only 5 fairways, and somehow managed to scramble an even par round!

Fairway Percentage rankings is a poor predictor of tournament Finish. Scheffler was T56th (out of 77) in fairways hit for the week.



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Post by incontinentia Mon 07 Mar 2022, 6:04 pm

GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:The conditions were brutal out there - Scheffler won hitting only 5 fairways, and somehow managed to scramble an even par round!

Fairway Percentage rankings is a poor predictor of tournament Finish.  Scheffler was T56th (out of 77) in fairways hit for the week.


Just ask TW.

Interestingly enough I think Boo Weekley lost his card one year while being number 1 for the greens in regulation stat.
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Post by super_realist Tue 08 Mar 2022, 7:32 am

Probably because he couldn't see his ball whilst putting due to his grotesque fat belly.

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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Mar 2022, 10:18 am

incontinentia wrote:I really like the cut of Scheffler's jib.

He looks about 45.
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Post by McLaren Wed 09 Mar 2022, 3:21 pm

Apparently Tigers daughter will speak during Tigers induction later. Should be a wonderful event.
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