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Post by Jeff Navarro Wed 05 Jan 2022, 1:02 pm

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Otmar Szafnauer has left Aston Martin, widely expected, after Martin Whitmarsh joined the team.


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Post by Lowlandbrit Wed 03 Aug 2022, 4:49 pm

Can certainly understand where the AT/RB theory has come from, because that does seem a remarkably strong denial 'just' to get from Alpine to McLaren.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu 04 Aug 2022, 11:43 am

So Alpine released a statement saying Alonso’s age meant anything longer than 1 year contract wasn’t justified...Alonso has had Ocon’s number.
Instead of Andretti setting up own team, I think he should just buy Renault instead.
Team Enstone seem to be losing the plot...

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 10:53 am

Being reported that the FIA contract dispute panel has ratified Oscar Piastri’s contract with McLaren.
Also being reported Daniel Ricciardo has been sacked at the end of 2022.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 10:58 am

Haas has also suspended contract talks with Mick Schumacher. Haas are butthurt that Schumacher was in talks with Aston Martin.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 12:16 pm

More on Ricciardo. McLaren tried to fob him off with worthless seats at at Formula E or Indycar. Ricciardo had no interest.
McLaren are insisting that Ricciardo not race in 2023 if he takes the $25m payoff.
Theoretically Ricciardo can take the money and a day later sign for Alpine or Haas - which is what I would do.
Zak Brown is a cretin and Ricciardo should make that fat American beg.

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Post by GSC Fri 05 Aug 2022, 1:38 pm

From the sounds of it Alpines contract with Piastri was never formally signed or ratified
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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 1:55 pm

Doesn’t seem like McLaren has too much faith in Lando Norris if they chased Oscar Piastri so desperately...
Piastri is frequently hyped up as the ‘next Charles LeClerc’.
So the real question is are McLaren looking to cash in on Norris should Mercedes come calling?

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Post by GSC Fri 05 Aug 2022, 2:16 pm

Doubt it. More theyre looking to move on from Danny Ric as it hasn't worked out for either side and the opportunity to pick up one of the most talented prospects outside of F1 without having to pay compensation emerged
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Post by Lowlandbrit Fri 05 Aug 2022, 2:16 pm

It's all very strange: Alpine seem to have been working off the assumption that there wouldn't be any open seats their drivers could go to, and McLaren seem to be signing everyone without knowing if or where they'll have a seat.
Also, wasn't the reason Ricciardo was pencilled in to stay that McLaren would struggle to afford to buy him out and pay someone else?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 05 Aug 2022, 2:46 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Doesn’t seem like McLaren has too much faith in Lando Norris if they chased Oscar Piastri so desperately...
Piastri is frequently hyped up as the ‘next Charles LeClerc’.
So the real question is are McLaren looking to cash in on Norris should Mercedes come calling?

This is nonsense - they've clearly been looking to replace the woefully underperforming Danny Ric, and Piastri seemingly has become available for little to no money to pair with Lando, and have arguably one of the most promising tandem of drivers seen in the sport for a while.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:01 pm

When you’re paying off an 8x race winner for someone that’s not even done an FP1 session to the tune off $25m. Doesn’t show true business acumen but it’s par for the course for the woefully inept Zak Brown.
And McLaren are never going to be competing for championships again.

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Post by GSC Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:17 pm

I think everyone would freely admit the Danny Ric signing has been a disaster outside of Monza. The money invested is a sunk cost however, they can do the same thing and hope it improves or take advantage of a rare opportunity to sign a talent like Piastri for no compensation.
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Post by GSC Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:20 pm

At the end of the day, his performances haven't been good enough to justify that price tag relative to Lando in the same car
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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:26 pm

Ricciardo couldn’t adapt his driving style to the 2021 and 2022 McLaren, not too dissimilar to Vettel’s woes in the 2014 Red Bull.
Maybe he’ll be better off back at Renault, where he had Ocon on toast anyway.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:27 pm

And Piastri better hope he shows something special otherwise he’s basically ended his career before it started.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:53 pm

Why would Alpine/Renault take Danny Ric back when he ditched them after a year or two last time out of the blue himself? Although Cyril has left, will still be plenty of folk there still scorned by what happened there
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 05 Aug 2022, 3:53 pm

Why would Alpine/Renault take Danny Ric back when he ditched them after a year or two last time out of the blue himself? Although Cyril has left, will still be plenty of folk there still scorned by what happened there
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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 4:07 pm

Because they’ve got no one else. Zhou said he’s happy at Alfa Romeo.
Aside from Mick Schumacher, Daniel Ricciardo is all that’s left.
And they can get on a relatively cheap deal - Alonso was on $30m. Ricciardo would be attainable for $10m

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Post by Jeff Navarro Fri 05 Aug 2022, 5:20 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Williams announce Alexander Albon will remain with them for 2023 on a multiple year contract.Red Bull seems to no longer have any options on Albon either
Albon confirms he’s still part of Red Bull and he hopes to return to Red Bull Racing in 2025.

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Post by GSC Fri 05 Aug 2022, 5:24 pm

Whether ricciardo could adapt or not doesn't really change that his performances havent been good enough
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat 06 Aug 2022, 3:30 pm

Toto Wolff says the 11th grid slot should only be reserved for a manufacturer and Andretti isn’t worthy of a spot.
Wolff showing what a clown he is:
Audi is partnering up with Sauber so no they won’t be fielding two teams.
Andretti is a massive name in motorsport.
The 11th grid slot is currently being offered to Honda - they don’t want.

Daniel Ricciardo news:
Ricciardo’s assortment of sponsors are ditching McLaren. Zak Brown genius working magnificently again…

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Post by No name Bertie Sun 07 Aug 2022, 12:45 pm

Listening to others it seems that Alpine / Renault invested several millions of pounds in supporting and developing Piastri over the years - only for this to happen.  

Apparently they had to guarantee him a seat in 2023 - which they had done with Williams, given Alonso would be driving for them in 2023.  Alpine had arranged for Piastri to have a seat at Williams for 2023, agreeing to pay Williams for it, with Piastri likely driving for Alpine in 2024.

When Alonso dropped Alpine for Aston Martin, because the latter had guaranteed him two years rather than the one Alpine were offering, Alpine naturally announced Piastri would be driving for them in 2023.  

However, behind their back Piastri had signed a pre-contractual agreement with McLaren because Piastri preferred driving for McLaren over Williams for 2023.  When Alonso opted out of  Alpine and Alpine announced Piastri as their 2023 driver the McLaren contract had just kicked in meaning Piastri was now contracted to McLaren.

So much for loyalty. Now I wonder to myself if this type of thing would have happened if Netflix's "Drive To Survive" hadn't entered Formula One, and I wonder whether certain people might be getting bonuses over this.

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Post by GSC Mon 08 Aug 2022, 1:56 pm

I don't see that anyone did anything wrong tbh
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Post by dummy_half Mon 08 Aug 2022, 2:11 pm

GSC wrote:I don't see that anyone did anything wrong tbh

Other than Alpine's lawyer, who drafted a flawed contract.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Mon 08 Aug 2022, 5:43 pm

Mick Schumacher seemingly looking likely to lose Ferrari backing...

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Post by GSC Mon 08 Aug 2022, 6:30 pm

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GSC wrote:I don't see that anyone did anything wrong tbh

Other than Alpine's lawyer, who drafted a flawed contract.
Ya, Piastri signed a contract as a FA
McLaren signed a FA
Alpine seemingly did not draft a contract that protected them from a very obvious outcome and/or filed it correctly

I don't really see the issue being posed about Piastri or McLaren
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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue 09 Aug 2022, 8:31 am

Renault are taking court action against Piastri.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue 09 Aug 2022, 11:38 am

Las Vegas set to be the penultimate race of the season in 2023. Will go back to back with Abu Dhabi.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue 09 Aug 2022, 5:37 pm

So Daniel Ricciardo has stated $21m and he’ll walk away from McLaren. McLaren wants to offset this by ensuring Renault pays him as much a possible in 2023.
If I was Ricciardo and Renault - I would agree to race for free and work on the basis of a bonus at the end of the year.
Just to financially cripple McLaren - yes I’d be that petty lol

It’s now being reported that Piastri has two signed contracts for 2023 and he may have signed up with Renault first...
Again me being petty, if Renault gets the verdict in court. I’m taking up the 2 year option and benching Piastri. Effectively ending his career.
Act like a clown, get treated like one...

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Post by Jeff Navarro Wed 10 Aug 2022, 1:38 pm

So the Piastri case will be almost certainly decided by whether Renault can prove, with paperwork, that they had found their junior a seat at Williams.
According to some sources, Piastri’s rookie contract determined that Renault decided where he went if there was no seat at their team.
There’s some strong suggestions Piastri refused to join Williams.
If that’s the case, Piastri is probably done.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu 11 Aug 2022, 8:47 am

Alpine has made their move for Pierre Gasly. Helmut Marko insisting no chance.

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Post by GSC Thu 11 Aug 2022, 10:36 am

Think Alpine need to be somewhat careful here. Their lead driver has walked away twice in two seasons, the second time to join a team with seemingly worse short term prospects. Their best prospect would rather go elsewhere than drive for the team. Renault in general have a rather trigger happy approach to deciding whether running a team suits them. We'll see what contract gets ratified by the FIA, but I'm not sure taking Piastri to court out of spite if it doesn't go their way is the best way to advertise your opening for next year. Certainly if I was Gasly and trying to assess what is the best move, I would be watching it carefully.

Continue to be confused why McLaren dropping Danny Ric is suddenly controversial when his performances have largely been castigated for his McLaren tenure. Underperforming driver gets contract paid up to leave is not a particular notable outcome
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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu 11 Aug 2022, 10:49 am

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Continue to be confused why McLaren dropping Danny Ric is suddenly controversial when his performances have largely been castigated for his McLaren tenure. Underperforming driver gets contract paid up to leave is not a particular notable outcome
It’s controversial because Zak Brown tried to con Ricciardo into taking a seat at their lame Formula E team or the worthless Indycar series.
Ricciardo brings more sponsors to McLaren than Norris and Piastri combined.
McLaren wants to kick him out of F1 but wants to retain Ricciardo’s sponsors.

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Post by GSC Thu 11 Aug 2022, 11:52 am

Is that controversial.
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Post by GSC Thu 11 Aug 2022, 11:53 am

Wait until Williams kick Latifi out I guess
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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu 11 Aug 2022, 1:24 pm

I don’t think Ricciardo and Latifi are similar situations at all.
McLaren pays Ricciardo to race.
Michael Lafiti pays Williams to let his hapless son Nicholas make a fool of himself.

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Post by GSC Thu 11 Aug 2022, 2:24 pm

And because Ricciardo is underperforming relative to his teammate McLaren are willing to pay him off so they can replace him.

What's the issue again? I'm sure they'd rather not be paying him to leave at all but hindsight is 20:20
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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu 11 Aug 2022, 4:42 pm

GSC wrote:And because Ricciardo is underperforming relative to his teammate McLaren are willing to pay him off so they can replace him.

What's the issue again? I'm sure they'd rather not be paying him to leave at all but hindsight is 20:20
If McLaren wanted to pay Ricciardo off, then pay him the full $25m I mentioned somewhere earlier in topic.

If the relationship has turned out bad, that’s on Zak Brown’s incompetence not to have a break clause for both sides.

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Post by GSC Thu 11 Aug 2022, 11:02 pm

And if they have to, they're obliged to pay it to change the seat.

Seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill with this to be honest
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Post by Jeff Navarro Yesterday at 7:03 pm

Helmut Marko, somewhat surprisingly, says Red Bull will back Yuki Tsunoda long term. Can only think Honda’s ‘hush hush wink wink’ engine deal means they want Yuki in a race seat.

Marko also confirmed Red Bull has zero intention of promoting Pierre Gasly and there will be no new contract offer.

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