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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue 25 Jan 2022, 1:15 pm

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Unfortunately the 2022 season kicks off with some awful news about a serious crash for Egan Bernal. Currently in intensive care after hours of surgery, which sounds like it has been successful...but the injuries sound career altering at best.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/60113862

From an Ineos point of view, he was going to the Tour as their designated leader...now they'll probably have to shuffle some schedules around and maybe make Carapaz the leader for the Tour rather than the Giro?
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Post by Azabache Fri 26 Aug 2022, 8:49 pm

Roglic still @ 1.01-let's see where he is at COP Sunday....

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Post by Lowlandbrit Mon 29 Aug 2022, 1:23 pm

First rest day:
Evenepoel
Mas +1'12
Roglic +1'53
Pozzovivo in 22nd still within 10 mins, plenty to race for yet.
For better or worse, Lefevre has been remodeling his team around the belief Evenepoel can win the TdF. Real chance for them to back that up and show they belong in the conversation.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 29 Aug 2022, 5:10 pm

Ouch, rough day for British cyclists yesterday with Tao crashing out of the top ten, Steward leaving the race and Pidcock having to start from the back of the grid before having a mechanical to finish an agonising fourth at the mountain bike world championship.

Some of the time gaps look pretty hefty at the minute but we've seen early leaders break on climbs later in the race before.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 29 Aug 2022, 6:13 pm

Good opportunity for Remco to extend that lead in the time trial tomorrow for which he is favourite - then it's a few flat stages, before we get to week 3 which is his big hurdle, having never done a full GT in contention before
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Post by Azabache Mon 29 Aug 2022, 8:06 pm

Having got to like Roglic (I was a bit neutral in his early years), and feel sorry for his accursed Tour luck, I'm still hoping for a dogged clawing back over the full 3 weeks.

But maybe that back injury is more persistent than they're letting on..

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Post by Lowlandbrit Mon 05 Sep 2022, 1:05 pm

Second rest day:
Evenepoel
Roglic +1'34
Mas +2'01
Roglic clawing time back, but does he have enough chances left to get in red?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Sep 2022, 1:22 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Second rest day:
Evenepoel
Roglic +1'34
Mas +2'01
Roglic clawing time back, but does he have enough chances left to get in red?

Unusually for the Vuelta it looks a pretty quiet final week - some climbing days of course, but they look more gradual long efforts, lacking some of the usual ridiculously steep climbs...probably more suited to Remco than Roglic on paper. Think folk will be needing Remco to have a proper proper off day to claw all the time back (and actually, I think if he attacks for once, Mas might actually be stronger than Roglic at the moment)
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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 07 Sep 2022, 12:13 pm

Roglic has withdrawn from La Vuelta following a crash at the end of the stage yesterday. He completed the stage but injuries sustained have forced him out of the rest of the race.
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Post by Lowlandbrit Wed 07 Sep 2022, 1:37 pm

Didn't look like a stage to try anything on paper, but he saw an opportunity to take a few more seconds back. Evenepoel punctured, Roglic fell hard, and when everyone had been placed back in their groups Roglic gained 8 seconds at the cost of his race.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 07 Sep 2022, 7:26 pm

Odd choice for Roglic to put himself back into the sprinting pack, the damage was done for the day all he needed to do was move well out the way and come over the line. Bunch sprints are messy why risk it? Real shame as Remco looked on the ropes and it was going to be a real dramatic race finish.

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Post by Azabache Thu 08 Sep 2022, 9:06 pm

He's extended his lead slightly after winning today's stage. I can't see him losing now that 1) Roglic, and others, have gone and 2) there are few really nasty climbs left in this final week-unusually for the Vuelta.

It's not his fault, but one can't but reflect on his good fortune and others' bad luck.

Incidentally, isn't the Quest channel's highlights coverage appalling-one day mysteriously missed and today's cut short half-way through, the GC listing often missing...; I feel sorry for the team of presenters, particularly the engaging Orla Chennaoui.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 09 Sep 2022, 9:16 am

Azabache wrote:He's extended his lead slightly after winning today's stage. I can't see him losing now that 1) Roglic, and others, have gone and 2) there are few really nasty climbs left in this final week-unusually for the Vuelta.

It's not his fault, but one can't but reflect on his good fortune and others' bad luck.

Incidentally, isn't the Quest channel's highlights coverage appalling-one day mysteriously missed and today's cut short half-way through, the GC listing often missing...; I feel sorry for the team of presenters, particularly the engaging Orla Chennaoui.

I think you can say that about a lot of race wins though - you avoid the crashes and the silly losses of time (such as getting the wrong side of an echelon) and you can beat potentially stronger opponents. Not that Evenepoel is lacking strength, but the questions were there over his endurance in the highest mountains and in the longer races.

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Post by Lowlandbrit Sat 10 Sep 2022, 6:30 pm

Just needs to make it to Madrid to become the first Belgian GT winner since 1978.
Hard luck for the generation of riders that thought they'd be in their primes with a chance to pull something off without Froome. Podium finish for Juan Ayuso (19).

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 10 Sep 2022, 8:52 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Just needs to make it to Madrid to become the first Belgian GT winner since 1978.
Hard luck for the generation of riders that thought they'd be in their primes with a chance to pull something off without Froome. Podium finish for Juan Ayuso (19).

Remarkable statistic that considering how dominant the Belgians were during the 70's, a certain Eddy Merckx contributed greatly to that but there were still another five outside of him. 14 of the 30 grand tour winners from one country.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 11 Sep 2022, 10:28 am

Ayuso the youngest to podium a grand tour since 1936 - quite incredible really!
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Post by Lowlandbrit Sun 11 Sep 2022, 1:18 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Ayuso the youngest to podium a grand tour since 1936 - quite incredible really!
Alejandro Valverde won his first GT stage two days before his first birthday. The man leading the Vuelta the day he was born is still on a Continental team (Oscar Sevilla).

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Post by Azabache Sun 11 Sep 2022, 10:25 pm

Oscar Sevilla! Thought he'd retired years ago. Just shows there're opportunities still in the "lower" ranks...

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Post by Lowlandbrit Sat 24 Sep 2022, 9:45 am

Van Vleuten crosses the line solo to win the rainbow jersey 2 weeks before her 40th birthday, and after breaking her elbow on Wednesday. Perfect cap on a year in which she also won all three GT.

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Post by Lowlandbrit Sun 25 Sep 2022, 8:51 am

Evenepoel ticks off another box on the career checklist. Van der Poel abandoned early after spending the night in prison following an altercation with two teenage girls in the hotel.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 25 Sep 2022, 12:51 pm

Bizarre tactics by many nations to let Evenepoel get up the road with a teammate - haven't they learnt from LBL/San Sebastian and other occasions by now to just not let him get in a break with a big advantage?
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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 25 Sep 2022, 3:24 pm

You realise how well drilled the pro teams are, breaks like this happen far more often in the worlds than they do in any other race. Cavendish in 2012 being a case in point, the actual sky team at the time are presenting him for the end sprint almost every time.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 25 Sep 2022, 6:34 pm

Are ear pieces still banned on the international level? With no team radio it might be harder to orchestrate a cohesive chase.

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Post by dummy_half Mon 26 Sep 2022, 10:41 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:Are ear pieces still banned on the international level? With no team radio it might be harder to orchestrate a cohesive chase.

Correct, no team radio in the Worlds. Still a huge mistake to let Evenepoel up the road alone - should have been guys from each other big team (France, Italy, Spain) sticking to his wheel. Remco probably has the best speed endurance of anyone since at least Cancellara, but he has no meaningful sprint, so you must hold his wheel when he looks to get away.

Safe to say though that Evenepoel is fulfilling the promise he first showed 3 or 4 years ago before his big crash - won a Monument and a couple of other big 1 day races, a Grand Tour and now the Worlds.

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Post by Azabache Mon 26 Sep 2022, 6:33 pm

A veritable embarrassment of riches (of talent) in the years ahead, with a discernable lowering of the age of peak effectiveness.

One has to remember back some years beyond that period when there was almost a monopoly centred around a few teams which translated to the Worlds.

Surely it wasn't only due to EPO etc?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 26 Sep 2022, 9:19 pm

dummy_half wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Are ear pieces still banned on the international level? With no team radio it might be harder to orchestrate a cohesive chase.

Correct, no team radio in the Worlds. Still a huge mistake to let Evenepoel up the road alone - should have been guys from each other big team (France, Italy, Spain) sticking to his wheel. Remco probably has the best speed endurance of anyone since at least Cancellara, but he has no meaningful sprint, so you must hold his wheel when he looks to get away.

Safe to say though that Evenepoel is fulfilling the promise he first showed 3 or 4 years ago before his big crash - won a Monument and a couple of other big 1 day races, a Grand Tour and now the Worlds.

He's pretty easily had the best year in male cycling now has Evenepoel? Know Vingegaard won the tour, but has done little outside that really - to win a grand tour, a monument and worlds all in one year is a great achievement.
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Post by dummy_half Tue 27 Sep 2022, 10:06 am

Not sure that it's peak years getting younger or just that we have a particularly good crop of young riders (Pogacar, Evenepoel, Vingegaard, to a slightly lesser extent Pidcock) to challenge the riders in their late 20s and early 30s (MvdP, van Aert, Roglic)

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 02 Nov 2022, 9:11 am

I see next years Giro and TDF routes have been announced - and it sounds like Evenepoel will be doing the Giro, and not the tour according to Lefevere, which is a bit of a shame as think the TDF climbs are more suited to him than the Giro ones, but the Giro does have more ITT kilometres.

Still no announcement on Mark Cavendish's new team - heavily rumoured to be the French team B&B Hotels, who have some new investment and have signed some leadout train (and obviously get a TDF wildcard every year), but nothing official yet. Part of me wonders if it might not be the worst idea for Ineos to throw some money at him, and take a heavy British team to the TDF (and let Thomas do the Giro, which with the ITT kilometres is more suited to him) with Pidcock/Hayter/Turner/Tullett/Swift/Geoghegan Hart alongside Cav, and have a good leadout train for him alongside maybe giving Pidcock GC ambition and aim for a top 5 on GC with him? Surely the idea of having Cav breaking the TDF stage record in your jersey, all the British media exposure, would be worth it? He's also a lot better than Viviani, so could offer a viable sprint option in early season stage races (Saudi/UAE tours) and some of the sprinty spring classics

Should note - this TDF has 7 or 8 clear sprint stages in it, and the mountain tests don't look like massively hard ones to make the time cut on if you are in shape. Not out of the realms of possibility we get a pure sprinter win green, which is another reason to potentially go in for Cav.
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Post by Lowlandbrit Wed 02 Nov 2022, 2:27 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Still no announcement on Mark Cavendish's new team - heavily rumoured to be the French team B&B Hotels, who have some new investment and have signed some leadout train (and obviously get a TDF wildcard every year), but nothing official yet.
Apparently they were supposed to announce everything last week, but none of the new sponsors had actually signed anything yet.

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Post by Azabache Wed 02 Nov 2022, 10:56 pm

I don't want to see Cavendish take another TdF stage, and I suspect that any Continental team will balk at having him. Reasons:

. Merckx is regarded as the greatest rider ever, as he won all sorts of stages in a relatively short timescale
. He did all that in an era much tougher than now with its radios, much superior nutrition, near-luxury accommodation and transport, infinitely better medical care etc. etc...
. Without wishing in any way to diminish Cav's achievements, which are quite remarkable, he "only" specialises in flat stages with ideal finishing stretches, and has generally been assisted by specialist lead-out men; he joins the Autobus in mountain stages; and isn't either an ITT specialist
. I concede that it's probably impossible to compare Merckx's era with today's, but please, please, if he does achieve another stage win let's refrain from joining the inevitable potential chorus that he's the greatest Grand Tour rider ever. He isn't, bless him!

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Post by Lowlandbrit Wed 30 Nov 2022, 4:32 pm

Reports that Davide Rebellin has died after being hit by a truck. Only retired at the end of this season, 51 years old.

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Post by Azabache Wed 30 Nov 2022, 10:28 pm

Hideous news we never like to hear...

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