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Post by beninho Sun 13 Feb 2022, 6:31 pm

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It does seem that this cat video is pretty old. But, also oeople seem more upset about it then say, Chelsea having a player who killed someone when he was drink driving.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:46 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
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McLaren wrote:What I do find a bit odd is that the English nationalist phase we are going through right now in UK politics has somehow left us more in bed with Russia than ever.

What are you on about Mac? Its the mad lefties like Corbyn, McDonnel and Flabbot that are supporting Russia and blaming NATO for this.

It's also very much the far righties. Farage, Daubney. Like they all meet in a happy middle

I havent heard any of these people you mention blaming Britain or NATO for this. Its the far left loons that believe everything we do is wrong and have no sense of belonging to this country.

Im surprised they actually still live here, but thats the nature of being a champagne socialist. Remember it was Corbyn who refused to accept that Russia was responsible for Salisbury, Litvenyenko etc. (or condemn them) not Farage

Here's the right winger Daubney blaming Nato https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1496079008508821507?t=nMT3vzhQAN9NRpsHcf9etg&s=19

Farage is easy to find. The right wingers are just as bad.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:49 pm

incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

I know Americans often have a poor grasp of current affairs and that a world exists outside their insular borders, but that is a crass question.

No one has said he will, but that taking back countries into the Russian fold, especially ones with strategic importance such as Estonia might be something that he may consider a useful land grab and its a possibility we ought to consider.



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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:50 pm

incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato. It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:53 pm

beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:55 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

So the threats are just for a laugh?

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:57 pm

https://twitter.com/DanielG453/status/1497226248266858502?t=v1mYiBmTdXSLbpmZME8egQ&s=19

Maybe just saying it to stir the pot

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:58 pm

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

So the threats are just for a laugh?

Why would there be consequences? Norway, unlike Sweden has a border with Russia and is in NATO. Russia are only interested in ex Russian countries.

Military conquest is about bluster and Russia is all about acting tough. He implied nuclear reprisal too yesterday for anyone who stood against him, why isnt your twitter sit com rent a cliche mention that?

Maybe if our security service wasnt focussing on diveristy training and refraining from using words like "force" and "grip" we might not be seen as such a pushover.


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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 5:59 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

So the threats are just for a laugh?

Why would there be consequences? Norway, unlike Sweden has a border with Russia and is in NATO. Russia are only interested in ex Russian countries.

I'm not a Russian spokesman. They said it, they must be saying it for a reason.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:01 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

I'd suggest keeping up to date on who is saying what before posting in future.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:03 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

I'd suggest keeping up to date on who is saying what before posting in future.

Norway is already in NATO, why didnt they threaten them?

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:06 pm

super_realist wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

I'd suggest keeping up to date on who is saying what before posting in future.

Norway is already in NATO, why didnt they threaten them?

They threatened Sweden and Finland if they join Nato, not sure they can do the same to Norway if they've already joined.

It may all be bluster, but it's still a threat, so to say they don't care is just wrong.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:08 pm

What are they going to threaten Finland with?
We will come and take your swamps? I dont know if you have ever been to Finland, but there is nothing there.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:08 pm

super_realist wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

I'd suggest keeping up to date on who is saying what before posting in future.

Norway is already in NATO, why didnt they threaten them?

Back in 1949?

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:09 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Why are people extrapolating that Putin will invade other countries?

The Russian foreign minister has said there will be serious military and political repercussions in Sweden and Finland join nato.  It seems that Russian threats are pushing Finland closer then ever before.

Russia arent interested in Finland or Sweden

So the threats are just for a laugh?

Why would there be consequences? Norway, unlike Sweden has a border with Russia and is in NATO. Russia are only interested in ex Russian countries.

Military conquest is about bluster and Russia is all about acting tough. He implied nuclear reprisal too yesterday for anyone who stood against him, why isnt your twitter sit com rent a cliche mention that?

Maybe if our security service wasnt focussing on diveristy training and refraining from using words like "force" and "grip" we might not be seen as such a pushover.

What is that rambling? Banning words, you sound like those nutter right wingers, who think putin is with them against woke

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:10 pm

super_realist wrote:What are they going to threaten Finland with?
We will come and take your swamps? I dont know if you have ever been to Finland, but there is nothing there.

They threatened them with military and political repercussions. Today.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:11 pm

Realist, did you know what the Russians said about Sweden and Finland before you posted?

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:12 pm

Russia are now presenting genuinely or falsely to have a beef with their near neighbours Finland, and the non bkrder country of Sweden joining Nato, now if they dont care that Norway as abordering country is in NATO, why would they care about Finland or traditionally neutral Sweden?
Its military bluster and Putin trying to look hard in my opinion.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:13 pm

super_realist wrote:Russia are now presenting genuinely or falsely to have a beef with their near neighbours Finland, and the non bkrder country of Sweden joining Nato, now if they dont care that Norway  as  abordering country is in NATO, why would they care about Finland or traditionally neutral Sweden?
Its military bluster and Putin trying to look hard in my opinion.

Glad you've caught up.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:14 pm

beninho wrote:Realist, did you know what the Russians said about Sweden and Finland before you posted?

I didnt, but it doesnt change the fact that Im skeptical about how serious they are. You seem to be accepting antrhing you hear, whereas you should exercise a bit of skepticism and ise of an atlas.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:15 pm

I dont think the issue is who is in Nato, especially if it its a founding member. The issue seems to be new countries joining. Hence the reason some people blame Nato.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:17 pm

beninho wrote:I dont think the issue is who is in Nato, especially if it its a founding member. The issue seems to be new countries joining. Hence the reason some people blame Nato.

NATO isba defence organisation, not an offensive one. There's no reason to blame NATO at all.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:17 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Realist, did you know what the Russians said about Sweden and Finland before you posted?

I didnt, but it doesnt change the fact that Im skeptical about how serious they are. You seem to be accepting antrhing you hear, whereas you should exercise a bit of skepticism and ise of an atlas.

I quite clearly said, maybe they are saying it to stir the pot. Which is sort of what you have also said.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:18 pm

super_realist wrote:Russia are now presenting genuinely or falsely to have a beef with their near neighbours Finland, and the non bkrder country of Sweden joining Nato, now if they dont care that Norway  as  abordering country is in NATO, why would they care about Finland or traditionally neutral Sweden?
Its military bluster and Putin trying to look hard in my opinion.

The important part there is that Norway IS in Nato, they therefore can do nothing about it. A threaten against one NATO member is a threat against ALL of them. It isn't rocket science.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:18 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I dont think the issue is who is in Nato, especially if it its a founding member. The issue seems to be new countries joining. Hence the reason some people blame Nato.

NATO isba defence organisation, not an offensive one. There's no reason to blame NATO at all.

I know, that's why the people who have tried to tend to be extremists. Left or right. And generally idiots.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:19 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:Russia are now presenting genuinely or falsely to have a beef with their near neighbours Finland, and the non bkrder country of Sweden joining Nato, now if they dont care that Norway  as  abordering country is in NATO, why would they care about Finland or traditionally neutral Sweden?
Its military bluster and Putin trying to look hard in my opinion.

The important part there is that Norway IS in Nato, they therefore can do nothing about it. A threaten against one NATO member is a threat against ALL of them. It isn't rocket science.

Yes, bit the point is that they arent interested in TAKING Finland or Sweden, so if they were to join Nato it wouldnt affect Russia.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:20 pm

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I dont think the issue is who is in Nato, especially if it its a founding member. The issue seems to be new countries joining. Hence the reason some people blame Nato.

NATO isba defence organisation, not an offensive one. There's no reason to blame NATO at all.

I know, that's why the people who have tried to tend to be extremists. Left or right. And generally idiots.

Glad youre finally admitting that idiots exist on both sides for once

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:22 pm

But, it does seem to bother Russia, or Putin anyway. Really doesn't seem to like Nato countries getting closer.

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:23 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I dont think the issue is who is in Nato, especially if it its a founding member. The issue seems to be new countries joining. Hence the reason some people blame Nato.

NATO isba defence organisation, not an offensive one. There's no reason to blame NATO at all.

I know, that's why the people who have tried to tend to be extremists. Left or right. And generally idiots.

Glad youre finally admitting that idiots exist on both sides for once

Well as the further left and further right you go, they meet in the middle. And some sort of love of Russia seems to be the meeting point.

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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:24 pm

beninho wrote:But, it does seem to bother Russia, or Putin anyway. Really doesn't seem to like Nato countries getting closer.

Well he says that, but does he mean it? I dont think so and the flimsy excuses he's given about NATO for this invasion seem to demonstrate that.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:24 pm

super_realist wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:Russia are now presenting genuinely or falsely to have a beef with their near neighbours Finland, and the non bkrder country of Sweden joining Nato, now if they dont care that Norway  as  abordering country is in NATO, why would they care about Finland or traditionally neutral Sweden?
Its military bluster and Putin trying to look hard in my opinion.

The important part there is that Norway IS in Nato, they therefore can do nothing about it. A threaten against one NATO member is a threat against ALL of them. It isn't rocket science.

Yes, bit the point is that they arent interested in TAKING Finland or Sweden, so if they were to join Nato it wouldnt affect Russia.

It affecting Russia plays a role how?

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Post by beninho Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:31 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:But, it does seem to bother Russia, or Putin anyway. Really doesn't seem to like Nato countries getting closer.

Well he says that, but does he mean it? I dont think so and the flimsy excuses he's given about NATO for this invasion seem to demonstrate that.

Fuk knows what he means, the guys a mad man. But, whatever comes out of the media briefings are signed off by him. It may be just an excuse. But he wouldn't say it for no reason.
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Post by super_realist Fri 25 Feb 2022, 6:52 pm

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:But, it does seem to bother Russia, or Putin anyway. Really doesn't seem to like Nato countries getting closer.

Well he says that, but does he mean it? I dont think so and the flimsy excuses he's given about NATO for this invasion seem to demonstrate that.

Fuk knows what he means, the guys a mad man. But, whatever comes out of the media briefings are signed off by him. It may be just an excuse. But he wouldn't say it for no reason.
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Any action against an EU state would be met with military action regardless of whether they are in NATO, clearly its sabre rattling.

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Post by incontinentia Sat 26 Feb 2022, 10:59 am

Based on Putin's logic for invading Ukraine, the Irish cavalry could ride north today and re-take Ulster. Complete nonsense.
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Post by Pal Joey Sat 26 Feb 2022, 1:00 pm

incontinentia wrote:Based on Putin's logic for invading Ukraine, the Irish cavalry could ride north today and re-take Ulster. Complete nonsense.

Yeah, but actually running it might pose a problem. Also, don't forget all those flags they'd have to negotiate. The horses could get hurt.
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Post by incontinentia Sat 26 Feb 2022, 1:42 pm

They have chain mail Joey, should be fine.
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Post by super_realist Sun 27 Feb 2022, 7:26 am

incontinentia wrote:They have chain mail Joey, should be fine.
May be Germany would give them 500 helmets.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 27 Feb 2022, 9:19 am

Anyone seen the video of Putin and his chief spy? It's quite chilling.

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Post by dynamark Sun 27 Feb 2022, 12:08 pm

Whilst it is totally tragic this whole situation is very very interesting for someone of my tender age(60s).
If the EU,UK and Baltic states put enough supplies in through the back door and keep the pressure up through banking and sanctions then Russia may well be completely bogged down .The country is 3 x size of UK with 40 plus million population.Hard to think that Putin thought they would just roll over. Plus the factor of russian troops fighting people who often speak the same language and have similar heritage must dilute their resolve.
Sad business and Putin doesnt look like a guy who will back down we will see

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Post by McLaren Sun 27 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Anyone seen the video of Putin and his chief spy? It's quite chilling.

No. Have you got a link?
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 27 Feb 2022, 12:51 pm

McLaren wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Anyone seen the video of Putin and his chief spy? It's quite chilling.

No. Have you got a link?

Spoiler:
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Post by beninho Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:00 pm

Now it's at a stage where he prepping for nuclear. Ridiculous. Maybe its just bluster again. But, must mean its not going as planned.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:05 pm

Not even Putin would consider using Nuclear warheads.

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Post by beninho Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:09 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Not even Putin would consider using Nuclear warheads.

You would think that, but...who knows with this guy.

I've read someone say, it's done as a way to ramp it up, and escalate talks without losing face. But, we can't let him dictate anything. Sone Russian needs to get a bullet in him.

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Post by beninho Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:10 pm

If Ukraine hold out, they could be looking at joining the EU!

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:18 pm

beninho wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Not even Putin would consider using Nuclear warheads.

You would think that, but...who knows with this guy.

I've read someone say, it's done as a way to ramp it up, and escalate talks without losing face. But, we can't let him dictate anything. Sone Russian needs to get a bullet in him.

He's surely smart enough to know that even preparing to launch a single Nuclear warhead would result in his countries obliteration. You can guarantee that the US have contingencies in place.

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Post by super_realist Sun 27 Feb 2022, 2:39 pm

beninho wrote:If Ukraine hold out, they could be looking at joining the EU!

Why? Theyve been turned down before and NATO dont want them either.

Really stupid comment from Roger Gale saying all Russians in UK should be sent home.

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Post by beninho Sun 27 Feb 2022, 7:27 pm

Tuchal going down like Southgate, bringing on a ladt minute sub, who missedca pivotal pen.

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Post by I'm never wrong Sun 27 Feb 2022, 7:32 pm

beninho wrote:Tuchal going down like Southgate, bringing on a ladt minute sub, who missedca pivotal pen.
He annoyed me by coming out to taunt the opposition at every penalty. I woukd have booked him the second time he did it. Karma that he missed.

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Post by beninho Sun 27 Feb 2022, 7:35 pm

Comes on can't save 11 straight then spoons one into Wembley High Street. Pretty funny.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Sun 27 Feb 2022, 10:36 pm

Is Phil Mickelson being cancelled?

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