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Post by sirfredperry Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:24 am

First topic message reminder :

Joe Root has decided to step down from the captaincy. Main problem now is - who should take over?

Stokes is the only one really in contention. But should he be lumbered with the captaincy? His workload is immense as it is. But if he doesn't take the job, then who?

Let's hope Root's stepping down doesn't effect his batting! Captaincy cares hardly showed in his stats over the last few months.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:00 am

That was a typical Roy dismissal - very early on, though not quite the first over! He seems to get out very early or compile a 50+ score, very little in between.

82/1 after 12, Salt was just dropped. Should be on for 400+.

Doesn't look like many locals at the ground, just wall-to-wall English.

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Post by Lowlandbrit Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:12 am

Duty281 wrote:Doesn't look like many locals at the ground, just wall-to-wall English.
Actually they're probably both. Lot of expats in Amstelveen.

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Post by JDizzle Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:15 am

Duty281 wrote:That was a typical Roy dismissal - very early on, though not quite the first over! He seems to get out very early or compile a 50+ score, very little in between.

82/1 after 12, Salt was just dropped. Should be on for 400+.

Doesn't look like many locals at the ground, just wall-to-wall English.

Apparently Sri Lanka set the then record Men’s ODI high score of 443 at this ground in 2006. Buttler could go monstrous*.

*Guaranteed third ball duck

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:50 am

JDizzle wrote:
Duty281 wrote:That was a typical Roy dismissal - very early on, though not quite the first over! He seems to get out very early or compile a 50+ score, very little in between.

82/1 after 12, Salt was just dropped. Should be on for 400+.

Doesn't look like many locals at the ground, just wall-to-wall English.

Apparently Sri Lanka set the then record Men’s ODI high score of 443 at this ground in 2006. Buttler could go monstrous*.

*Guaranteed third ball duck

Could well do. I hope he comes in next, not Morgan.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:54 am

165-1 after 24 overs. Should be looking at a score somewhere in the region of 400 provided we don't have a collapse. Of course the other option is that Buttler and Morgan go mad and we get close to the record. Certainly got the platform for some fireworks.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:08 pm

The Dutch getting tired, could be an ugly scorecard by the end. Roy probably sat with his head in his hands thinking of all the runs he's missed out on.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:25 pm

Managed to find a stream to watch this ...just in time to Jinx Salt , apparently Wink

Quite a knock though ! Won't do his squad chances any harm. Malan motoring too so a monster score looks to be on...

Not expecting the Dutch to threaten today, somehow.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:34 pm

If there's ever a good time to get out, Phil Salt just found it - 100 against your name, 200+ on the board, 20 overs left and Jos Buttler in next on a small ground.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:48 pm

Malan now has a century in all three formats. clap

Weird to think this is only Malan's seventh ODI, but England really haven't played much in this format since winning the World Cup - this is just England's 19th ODI since the final.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:48 pm

Jos took a few balls to get warm but he's having fun now ...ground is not big enough !

Mind you ; if that fellow at long on had been on the rope instead of a few yards in he might have caught that first one.

Malan 100 in 90 balls ...a bit ho hum these days ?

This could get ugly for the Orange lads...

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:53 pm

Not a bad effort from the often maligned Malan. It puts into context quite how ridiculous that Bairstow innings was, striking higher in a test match on a fifth day chasing than two century makes in an ODI.

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:58 pm

They are going to cruise past the record I reckon.

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Post by JDizzle Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:04 pm

Might be time for Livingstone if England really want to go nuclear. Let’s see him and Jos together!

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:04 pm

All getting almost too brutal now...Buttler 55 off 30 and unlikely to slow down.

Kind of hope they don't break their record though : all due respect to The Netherlands but in a way having (500 ?) as the new record against their , shall we say : short of top class bowling attack ; sort of devalues the format...

Current listing looks much more "official" with Australia showing as the top punching bag Wink

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:08 pm

Just under 15 an over for the last ten to break the current record of 481. Still got Livingstone and Moeen in reserve as well.

Is a big mismatch this game. Can't fathom why the Dutch wanted to bowl first.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:18 pm

Duty281 wrote:Just under 15 an over for the last ten to break the current record of 481. Still got Livingstone and Moeen in reserve as well.

Is a big mismatch this game. Can't fathom why the Dutch wanted to bowl first.

Probably will make the game longer, (assuming Netherlands bat almost all their overs) so more beer sales...

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:19 pm

100 for Buttler in 47 balls, which is pretty much the same strike rate as YJB after tea on a 5th day Test wicket (I think was 93 in 42 balls)

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:26 pm

So Dawid Malan has been in for all but 1 run of the innings, and has a run a ball 100, while 2 batsmen at the other end have both scored more than him. Buttler up to 120 with 7.4 overs left - can he farm the strike enough to chase 200?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:27 pm

JDizzle wrote:Might be time for Livingstone if England really want to go nuclear. Let’s see him and Jos together!

Retire Malan out you cowards
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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:31 pm

Mismatch all right ! Lord knows what Buttler will finish up with at this rate...though I see he just missed his own fastest 100 record against Pakistan. Might get the "fastest 200" yet...

But it is all a bit like watching Manchester City playing your local pub team after a while. Spectacular but a bit meaningless. How much real use is this for England in preparation for the next WC ?

Don't think I will be sitting up late for the run chase.

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:32 pm

alfie wrote:All getting almost too brutal now...Buttler 55 off 30 and unlikely to slow down.

Kind of hope they don't break their record though : all due respect to The Netherlands but in a way having (500 ?) as the new record against their , shall we say : short of top class bowling attack ; sort of devalues the format...

Current listing looks much more "official" with Australia showing as the top punching bag Wink

Kind of bonkers that England hold the record against Australia. I know it was an under powered Aussie team but even so. Pretty extraordinary.

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Post by JDizzle Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:32 pm

alfie wrote:All getting almost too brutal now...Buttler 55 off 30 and unlikely to slow down.

Kind of hope they don't break their record though : all due respect to The Netherlands but in a way having (500 ?) as the new record against their , shall we say : short of top class bowling attack ; sort of devalues the format...

Current listing looks much more "official" with Australia showing as the top punching bag Wink

I love that England collapsed in that game be Aus too! They were cruising to 500 at one point.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:34 pm

Buttler's also ticked past 4,000 ODI runs in the process.

Should get 500 from this position.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:36 pm

400 on the board with 6 overs left and Buttler needing 62 for a double century...

300 to 400 in 36 balls, so if they can keep that rate, 500 in on.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:38 pm

Morgan?!

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:42 pm

Duty281 wrote:Morgan?!

Didn't matter much...

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:42 pm

Malan gone ! A mere 125 at not much better than run a ball. Decent , anyway.

And Morgan gone first ball on review ... Collapse is on Wink

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:45 pm

Lmao at Morgan getting a first baller
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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:47 pm

dummy_half wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Morgan?!

Didn't matter much...

Thank goodness, wouldn't have got that 32 run over if he'd stayed out there!

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Post by guildfordbat Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:48 pm

Already into the 20s, Livingstone hits a four and his scoring rate goes down!

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:51 pm

Lopsided scorecard with Roy and Morgan making just one between them against three centurions.

Might be four if Livingstone gets enough strike the way he has started !

Should be a mercy rule...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:58 pm

30 off the final 2 to break 500 - 28 required to knock Guildford's lot off their 498 perch...
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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:58 pm

Livingstone to 50 in 17 balls, failing to equal ABdV's record for fastest ODI 50 by one delivery

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:00 pm

Three separate scoring records missed by one ball by three different England batsmen in one week.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 pm

Good over from the Dutch to only go for 7 in the 49th over considering the carnage that's been going on for the last hour.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:07 pm

Buttler one ball away from ABdV record for 150 as well ...

Team record coming anyway but the 500 will probably have to wait at least until game two.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:07 pm

Didn't get 500? Disgrace. Mott out. Need to get Cook, Bopara and Wright back into the side.

498. World record. Buttler's highest score in professional cricket. I think England have got enough.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:09 pm

England need to be more ruthless and today was a perfect example of that. They should have retired Malan and got Livingstone in at five.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:10 pm

Last one went for a few though - 21 for England to finish on 498-4.
Buttler 162 off 70 deliveries and Livingstone 66 off 22.

Now need tight bowling and fielding to protect this rather under par target.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:12 pm

Duty281 wrote:Didn't get 500? Disgrace. Mott out. Need to get Cook, Bopara and Wright back into the side.

498. World record. Buttler's highest score in professional cricket. I think England have got enough.

Luke Wright usually had a pretty good strike rate in ODIs and T20. I think you've mistaken him for Jonathan Trott. Wink

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:13 pm

498 . Anticlimax. Buttler and Livingstone appeared to be enjoying themselves anyway ; and I don't think anyone's beers were spilled or small animals killed.

That's enough minnow bashing for me for one night...Think I will get some early nights now and wait for the Test Matches.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:15 pm

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Duty281 wrote:Didn't get 500? Disgrace. Mott out. Need to get Cook, Bopara and Wright back into the side.

498. World record. Buttler's highest score in professional cricket. I think England have got enough.

Luke Wright usually had a pretty good strike rate in ODIs and T20. I think you've mistaken him for Jonathan Trott. Wink

Ah those were the days, Cook and Trott in the top three of England's ODI team.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:16 pm

dummy_half wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Morgan?!

Didn't matter much...

Turns out it might have been the difference between making 500 and not...

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Post by msp83 Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:27 pm

England may have given just about enough for their bowlers to defend against this mighty Dutch lineup!!! Hopefully, their bowlers will hold their nerve and help their side over the line.

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Post by guildfordbat Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:58 pm

Duty281 wrote:
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Duty281 wrote:Didn't get 500? Disgrace. Mott out. Need to get Cook, Bopara and Wright back into the side.

498. World record. Buttler's highest score in professional cricket. I think England have got enough.

Luke Wright usually had a pretty good strike rate in ODIs and T20. I think you've mistaken him for Jonathan Trott. Wink

Ah those were the days, Cook and Trott in the top three of England's ODI team.

A few of us remember Brearley and Boycott opening in an ODI final.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:03 pm

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Duty281 wrote:Didn't get 500? Disgrace. Mott out. Need to get Cook, Bopara and Wright back into the side.

498. World record. Buttler's highest score in professional cricket. I think England have got enough.

Luke Wright usually had a pretty good strike rate in ODIs and T20. I think you've mistaken him for Jonathan Trott. Wink

Ah those were the days, Cook and Trott in the top three of England's ODI team.

A few of us remember Brearley and Boycott opening in an ODI final.

Wasn't that against a West Indies team including Greenidge, Richards and Lloyd? Oh, and Joel Garner, probably still one of the best 2 seam bowlers in ODI history (with Akram)

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:11 pm

England won by the way. Bowled the Dutch out for 266. Erasmus, Ruud Gullit, Van Gogh, Raymond Van Barneveld etc. Your boys took a hell of a beating.

Perhaps the second game will be closer? Or maybe not. It's being played at the same venue, so another chance for England to get 500.

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Post by VTR Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:47 pm

Sounds like utter carnage today, the record feels a bit cheap against a lower tier nation on a tiny ground. A bit of a shame in a way the record is now not vs Australia. England could have fielded a top 6 containing Cook, Bell, Trott and Bopara and probably still got 400

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Post by guildfordbat Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:06 am

VTR wrote:Sounds like utter carnage today, the record feels a bit cheap against a lower tier nation on a tiny ground. A bit of a shame in a way the record is now not vs Australia. England could have fielded a top 6 containing Cook, Bell, Trott and Bopara and probably still got 400

Yeah, it was a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. I had thought a country which gave us Ryan ten Doeschate would have more nous.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:13 am

alfie wrote:Mismatch all right !   Lord knows what Buttler will finish up with at this rate...though I see he just missed his own fastest 100 record against Pakistan. Might get the "fastest 200" yet...

But it is all a bit like watching Manchester City playing your local pub team after a while. Spectacular but a bit meaningless. How much real use is this for England in preparation for the next WC ?

Don't think I will be sitting up late for the run chase.

While it may be a bit of a mismatch, and also not exactly testing prep for England for a WC in 2023, I do think this is an important series, and am glad England are taking it seriously with a proper white ball squad.
Not going to pretend England playing the Dutch in a 3 game ODI series is suddenly going to fix all that is wrong with cricket, but hopefully it does help lead to more games against the lesser nations in all formats - not just from England, but from all nations! Cricket is on a crash course to becoming (maybe has already become, some would argue!) England playing India playing Australia on repeat with the odd sprinkling of a NZ/SA/Pakistan series...

Will be a fair few blowouts, but there will be the odd Bangladesh winning a test in NZ, Ireland testing England at Lords etc along the way...which can only help hopefully.
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