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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 30 Jun 2022, 9:22 am

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With Bath enduring a terrible season how many tries has Cokonasiga scored?

In five starts and four sub appearances he's bagged five tries. One appearance and one try for England.

It's a bench lacking experience but it's the type of players we'd like to have as options come the world cup.

Ignore the front row that pretty much picked itself.

Chessum - covers lock and 6 highly mobile and physical, good lineout option and we've been desperate for a young lock to come through.

Ludlam - covers 8 and 7 which is what the bench needs, club captain so adds much needed leadership here.

JVP - no one likes the current 9 options for last season's Under 20 captain and player of the J6N gets a chance. Best kicking game of the three 9s on tour and likes to play high tempo.

Porter - covers every position in the backs outside of 9 and 10, could probably do a job on the flank as well. Eddie likes a versatility option as they very much help the overall squad come world cup so audition time for Guy.

Arundell - exciting young player, not ready yet but Eddie will be hoping some international game time might speed up his development. Unlikely starter but potential game changer off the bench, always handy to have one of those at a world cup. Porter's inclusion means Arundell won't have to go in early unless there's multiple injuries.

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Post by Old Man Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:50 am

Yep, he was baited, fell forit, and made a stupid decision

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:51 am

Yeah those are the rules I guess. Should have been two yellows, or a chat from the ref and play on, IMO.

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:51 am

RDW wrote:That's got to be the softest red card ever seen

Two yellows was surely the sensible choice?


Agree it was soft, but why did he do it? A bit of handbags and he would be on the pitch and Hill in the bin for 10!

You are always going to walk for a butt

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:54 am

Not gonna lie if that happened against Scotland I'm sure I'd be screaming red all day.

This sport just becomes a complete farce sometimes when a slight brush to the face is a red and much worse contacts are barely penalty worthy!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:56 am

So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:57 am

Duty281 wrote:So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.

This is what I'm getting at - some of these laws are very hard to justify to a non rugby fan

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 11:59 am

Duty281 wrote:So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.


The retaliator always gets worse than the perpetrator, always been the way in rugby, we should not be surprised!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

RDW wrote:
Duty281 wrote:So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.

This is what I'm getting at - some of these laws are very hard to justify to a neutral

I think hair pulling is just as bad as a headbutt, personally. But why wasn't this looked at?

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921

Hope Australia win as they've been completely cheated.

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Post by Old Man Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

Well I don't condone what Swain has done, he is going to get cited and sit out for a couple of matches.

But if you are going to play against the law, you might as well do it properly.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

Not long before the red, this incident!

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921?t=wsFdjEGekH09zWsLo7Hrng&s=19

Hill has been an absolute Poopie**use all game and it has paid off

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Post by MichaelT Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:02 pm

England started well, very direct and making ground but nothing to really show for it and Australia have come back, and looked more likely to score a try. Not a great game really.

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:05 pm

RDW wrote:Not long before the red, this incident!

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921?t=wsFdjEGekH09zWsLo7Hrng&s=19

Hill has been an absolute Poopie**use all game and it has paid off


You would hope he might get cited for that, he probably deserves it

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Post by Maine man Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:06 pm

RDW wrote:Not long before the red, this incident!

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921?t=wsFdjEGekH09zWsLo7Hrng&s=19

Hill has been an absolute Poopie**use all game and it has paid off

Right in front of the ref too

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:06 pm

In terms of actual rugby, England not doing very much but playing for territory and 3 points. As I said earlier a try either way will really dictate this game, especially if Australia pull ahead and England have to chase the game.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:08 pm

BigGee wrote:
RDW wrote:Not long before the red, this incident!

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921?t=wsFdjEGekH09zWsLo7Hrng&s=19

Hill has been an absolute Poopie**use all game and it has paid off


You would hope he might get cited for that, he probably deserves it

Direct deliberate strike to the face with force - red card

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Post by Old Man Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:08 pm

RDW wrote:Not long before the red, this incident!

https://twitter.com/liquorbox_/status/1543182464486481921?t=wsFdjEGekH09zWsLo7Hrng&s=19

Hill has been an absolute Poopie**use all game and it has paid off

Hopefully that will be cited. Just a shame that England have the benefit of an extra man

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:08 pm

Have to say, Hill is a complete and utter pr!ck. Gets that little headbutt, after everything else that he has done, and immediately looks to the touch judge to try and get Swain sent off. Cowardly and pathetic.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:08 pm

Duty281 wrote:So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.

I'd have said same card for both but hey ho. They were both incredibly dim.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:11 pm

Without labouring the point....how could the ref have missed something that happened 1m away in his direct line of sight?

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Post by Old Man Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:12 pm

He didn't, but if Swain made a scene as Hill did to the AR, it would have forced the referee to act.

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Post by Galted Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:14 pm

RDW wrote:Without labouring the point....how could the ref have missed something that happened 1m away in his direct line of sight?

Looked at first as if Hill's body blocked the contact from the ref's view but, on second viewing, looks like a bit of day-dreaming going on
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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:15 pm

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Duty281 wrote:So...Swain gets smacked around the head, gets his hair pulled, finally retaliates, and he's the one sent off?

That's a complete joke.

I'd have said same card for both but hey ho. They were both incredibly dim.

Yeah, yellow for both on that incident would be fine, but obviously Hill should have been red-carded earlier.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:19 pm

Given the consistency in world rugby citing processes I'm sure Swain will be given a 3 year ban and Hil will be given a free pack of biscuits for his troubles!

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:22 pm

Nowell's knee doesn't touch the ground yet tackle called - Koroibete held him up

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:25 pm

Good try by England. Probably their best passage of play so far.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:25 pm

Not many English active on this thread since KO, usually they would be. I wonder if they’re watching the match with just one eye open… Wink

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:27 pm

Galted wrote:
RDW wrote:Without labouring the point....how could the ref have missed something that happened 1m away in his direct line of sight?

Looked at first as if Hill's body blocked the contact from the ref's view but, on second viewing, looks like a bit of day-dreaming going on

A lot happens at a maul, I imagine he was busy checking the offside line for the defence and what was happening around the ball.

Good finish from Genge after the rolling maul faltered.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:30 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Not many English active on this thread since KO, usually they would be. I wonder if they’re watching the match with just one eye open… Wink
Blimey mate. K/O was at 5:55 this morning. I watched part of the Ireland match too.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:31 pm

I think the Welsh have conspired with the Aussies to poison Farrell's kicking leg.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:34 pm

doctor_grey wrote:I think the Welsh have conspired with the Aussies to poison Farrell's kicking leg.

If they'd poisoned Smith as well that would explain his desperate lack of accuracy as well.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm

No release from George

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:37 pm

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doctor_grey wrote:I think the Welsh have conspired with the Aussies to poison Farrell's kicking leg.

If they'd poisoned Smith as well that would explain his desperate lack of accuracy as well.
So.......clearly our 10 in the next match needs to be...........

FURBANK idea idea idea idea idea

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:39 pm

Game on!

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:39 pm

Game on now!

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:40 pm

I've had to dip in and out of this match. From what I have seen, Smith has either been on the wrong wavelength with his teamates, or guilty of poor passing.

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:43 pm

YC I would say, not a massive amount of force

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:45 pm

So how come that is a yellow only because it is 'passive' when Swain didn't get the same consideration when his was also minimal force?


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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:45 pm

Somewhat a rugby incident, in either he tackles Hooper or moves out of the way. In rugby you don’t move out of the way. Harsh call again but by the law.

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Post by BigGee Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:47 pm

RDW wrote:So how come that is a yellow only because it is 'passive' when Swain didn't get the same consideration when his was also passive?


Maybe because one was a tackle and one was a headbutt!

Headbutts are optional!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:47 pm

Fantastic stuff. Well done Australia.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:48 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:I've had to dip in and out of this match. From what I have seen, Smith has either been on the wrong wavelength with his teamates, or guilty of poor passing.

Would agree with that. I wonder if that's mainly why Care was brought back, to use a club partnership at international level.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:48 pm

Hell of a test this

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:50 pm

How was that not an England pen for not rolling away?

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:50 pm

That probably should have been an England penalty.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:51 pm

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RDW wrote:So how come that is a yellow only because it is 'passive' when Swain didn't get the same consideration when his was also passive?


Maybe because one was a tackle and one was a headbutt!

Headbutts are optional!

Yes but when refs are talking through the incidents a key consideration to decide on red/yellow is whether there was any force or not.

I'm very much aware I've laboured this point so will let it go Laugh

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:52 pm

Oh baby. The post mortem after this one will be ugly.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:54 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Oh baby.  The post mortem after this one will be ugly.

England have shown very little ambition. It almost worked (and may well still get them the win) but they seemed content to score by 3s all game

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:55 pm

RDW wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Oh baby.  The post mortem after this one will be ugly.

England have shown very little ambition. It almost worked (and may well still get them the win) but they seemed content to score by 3s all game
Which can't possibly work when the kicker is missing a lot of kicks.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:57 pm

Superb last try.

Whilst I was pessimistic about England's chances in this one, I did think they would get one test win in this three-game series but, on this evidence, difficult to see that happening. Pressure is going to pile further on Jones after this.

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Post by RDW Sat 02 Jul 2022, 12:58 pm

Fair play Wallabies - what character

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