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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 30 Jun - 9:22

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With Bath enduring a terrible season how many tries has Cokonasiga scored?

In five starts and four sub appearances he's bagged five tries. One appearance and one try for England.

It's a bench lacking experience but it's the type of players we'd like to have as options come the world cup.

Ignore the front row that pretty much picked itself.

Chessum - covers lock and 6 highly mobile and physical, good lineout option and we've been desperate for a young lock to come through.

Ludlam - covers 8 and 7 which is what the bench needs, club captain so adds much needed leadership here.

JVP - no one likes the current 9 options for last season's Under 20 captain and player of the J6N gets a chance. Best kicking game of the three 9s on tour and likes to play high tempo.

Porter - covers every position in the backs outside of 9 and 10, could probably do a job on the flank as well. Eddie likes a versatility option as they very much help the overall squad come world cup so audition time for Guy.

Arundell - exciting young player, not ready yet but Eddie will be hoping some international game time might speed up his development. Unlikely starter but potential game changer off the bench, always handy to have one of those at a world cup. Porter's inclusion means Arundell won't have to go in early unless there's multiple injuries.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:27

A bit better from England with Smith and Steward holding the defence for Freeman, but the support isn’t good enough
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:28

Bumbling all around from everyone ...

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:29

Decent goal kick at least ...

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:30

Very decent clearance under pressure by Smith, but the chase wasn’t good enough
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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:32

Smith making a lot of tackles. He doesn’t stop men in them tracks but he slows them down.
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:32

England just look flat and Australia blowing chances with poor handling

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:33

Good run from Freeman, but lack of awareness. Care was calling for the grubber
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:35

Yet another forward pass - are they even going to check it?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 16 Jul - 11:36

Why aren't forward passes being called today?

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:36

Steward needed to stay on the two wide guys and trust Nowell to make the tackle there. I hope the forward pass gets checked.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:36

That is a bloody mile forward!
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Post by tigertattie Sat 16 Jul - 11:36

That’s what you call a 1-2
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:37

The officials are poor too ... although ref from NZ so shouldn't be surprised they don't mind a forward pass.

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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:37

Great try! He didn't do much to help his kicker...

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jul - 11:37

Good question. On the try Steward either didn't know he had cover defense or or reacted and followed the ball.

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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:37

Would need to see a slow mo and all the camera angles but it didn't look obviously forward to me

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:38

That move had 2 forward passes - you'd think they'd at least spot the blindingly obvious one ...

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Post by Galted Sat 16 Jul - 11:39

Wonder if Jones is regretting suggesting the TMO get used less often.
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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:39

Ref’s attitude to the ball going forward is feeling a bit asymmetrical at the moment
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:40

Who is the TMO? - if it's another kiwi there's no chance they'll see a forward pass ...

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:42

Billy did release him!
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:42

That pen went the wrong way - Billy released and then the Aussie then went to squeeze ball

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Post by Galted Sat 16 Jul - 11:42

This ref is a disgrace, that's several decisions that haven't gone England's way so far.
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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:43

Harsh on Billy there

Koroibete is a sexy beast of a winger though

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:43

Vunipola’s hands were very clearly off the ball carrier there… but he didn’t listen to the ref. Not getting a good feeling about how today’s officiating is going to go, because the Aussies are getting a lot of bad calls in their favour right now.
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:44

England poor but officials much worse ... 10 points gifted to Oz already

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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:45

Reece Hodge's kicking has made a big difference this test. A lot of the big Wallabies wins in the last few years have had his involvement.

Not that kick though!

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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:45

Heaf wrote:England poor but officials much worse ... 10 points gifted to Oz already

Not much wrong with the try! No clear and obvious forward pass

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:47

Looked pretty forwards to me - although to be fair I haven't watched a replay yet

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:48

Well, he jolly nearly knocked that on, didn’t he sir?
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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:49

Steward is so good

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:49

Care off - is that tactical?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 16 Jul - 11:49

Another pass miles forward not called.

England haven't played particularly well, but they're only four points adrift which bodes well for when they hit a dominant patch.

Care off. Interesting. Could be the end of his England career, shortly after its rebirth.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jul - 11:51

Duty281 wrote:Another pass miles forward not called.

England haven't played particularly well, but they're only four points adrift which bodes well for when they hit a dominant patch.

Care off. Interesting.
pour quoi?

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:51

England are getting the edge in the scrum - probably not entirely justified but the Aussies aren’t getting on his good side.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:51

I wonder if that could be the end of Danny's England career, that is a pretty brutal substitution (unless he is injured of course).
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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:52

When did you last see a 9 subbed off before halftime for a tactical sub?

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:52

Big moment this, if England score they'll think we got out of jail.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 16 Jul - 11:53

Jones est un fou
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:53

Have it!
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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:53

Another bad choice from Freeman. Surely he has to reach for that?
Steward makes sure of it, though.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 16 Jul - 11:54

Farrell hitting the post was 4d chess.

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Post by RDW Sat 16 Jul - 11:54

Brave call from England pays off!

England will be delighted with that HT score - not really done much all half but going in ahead.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 16 Jul - 11:55

Hill could have had that chalked off for the shirt pull. Lucky boy.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 11:56

Farrell not brought his kicking boots.

If the pattern follows the last two games, we could be in trouble in the second half. If England can string 80 minutes together, they've got this.
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 11:57

England looking poor but still manage to go in ahead ... someone needs to have a word with Mr Magoo and his chums about forward passes and clear releases as they seem to be having a bit of trouble spotting them ...

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jul - 11:58

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Jones est un fou
The best description of Eddie Jones I have ever read.

On the other hand, when I watch this match I keep thinking of mid-table Premiership clubs going at it. Maybe because it is still early....

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 12:01

Defence (particularly out wide and off first phase ball) is still hide-behind-your-hands at times.  Against better teams it will get taken apart.
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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Jul - 12:06

Just watched the first Oz try again now - definitely forwards ...

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 16 Jul - 12:11

That is just boneheaded.
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