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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 3:58 pm

Couldn't see a thread.

Must say its quite good in a weird way to see Hooper being very honest on his reasoning to pull out of the match. Talking about mental health slowly getting there.

I'm going to go rogue and pick 2 away victories today. Watch South Africa win by 50 now.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 4:01 pm

Hope Hooper is OK in the long-term.

South Africa should win fairly comfortably. Argentina have the potential to either blitz Australia with a barrage of tries, or commit a succession of basic errors which makes it easy for their opponents. More likely to be the latter.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 4:12 pm

Well that could alter things with Faf de Klerk knocking himself out after 43 seconds.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 4:25 pm

Boring play but still effective.

Surprised they're not looking at that pass off the floor though.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 4:43 pm

NZ not getting much luck at the breakdown.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 06 Aug 2022, 5:34 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Boring play but still effective.

Surprised they're not looking at that pass off the floor though.

Wins them games but not fans. It’s like pulling teeth watching SA play these days
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Post by Duty281 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 5:49 pm

Complete dominance from South Africa. Too powerful, too robust and too clever for New Zealand. Marx had an immense game. NZ's game has fallen apart in this second half.

Same fixture next week, I see, the fallout for NZ will be typically vicious.

Thought the referee has had a good game. Minimal interference from the TMO is also lovely.

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Post by Heaf Sat 06 Aug 2022, 6:18 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Boring play but still effective.

Surprised they're not looking at that pass off the floor though.

Yep I thought that may have gone forwards ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm

tigertattie wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Boring play but still effective.

Surprised they're not looking at that pass off the floor though.

Wins them games but not fans. It’s like pulling teeth watching SA play these days

Not much better with the ABs, never thought I'd be saying that. The attack is woefully one dimensional, there's social teams with more subtlety and deception. Heavy reliance on someone producing a moment of magic. What in earth do they do in training?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 06 Aug 2022, 10:04 pm

Very messy game between Argentina and Australia, about 25-30 penalties conceded in the game. Argentina had a solid lead after 60 minutes, but they went on a mad run of about 6-7 penalty concessions in as many minutes, including a penalty try, and they lost the final quarter 24-0.

South Africa will destroy both on this evidence.

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Post by RDW Yesterday at 5:48 am

The ABs have made more mistakes in the last 6 games than in the last 6 years. Their skill level seems to have nosedived, as well as their attack which is incredibly one dimensional. TBF that has been the way for a while with the current ABs team, probably the last few years - very reliant on individuals making something happen instead of actual attacking shape.

With the ABs highly likely to lose again next week it'll be a remarkably bad run!

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Post by Old Man Yesterday at 8:32 am

tigertattie wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Boring play but still effective.

Surprised they're not looking at that pass off the floor though.

Wins them games but not fans. It’s like pulling teeth watching SA play these days

I assume you are watching the test for the All Blacks then, eh?

If something is boring I don't watch it.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 10:11 am

And I had you down for watching SA quite a lot.

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Post by Old Man Yesterday at 10:42 am

So which part of SPringbok rugby do youfind boring?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 11:55 am

Lack of ambition.

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Post by Old Man Yesterday at 12:11 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Lack of ambition.

In that case you must find England, Wales and France boring as well.

Got it.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 12:12 pm

England and Wales at the moment absolutely.

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Post by doctor_grey Yesterday at 2:59 pm

I thought it was edge of the seat stuff.  An absolutely off the charts defensive effort by the Boks.  Never knew when one missed tackle might turn into a break for the ABs.

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Post by yappysnap Today at 5:27 am

SA made the scoreline far closer than it needed to be, and that's with getting gifted a try at the end there.

Almost total control but very few points to show for it.

If NZ managed to string together one of their 20 min purple patches like they used to do they'd have stolen that from the Boks.

Agree with others here though, NZ are terrible at the moment, just terrible. No one here wants Foster anywhere near the team anymore (or ever did tbh). The fans are over him and the team and are demanding change, they'll be hoping for another loss this week to hopefully seal his fate.

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Post by George Carlin Today at 12:57 pm

Not sure how the current Blacks' coaching team can survive.

Presumably if they lose at Eden Park for the first time since 895 BC, then that's the final straw.
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Post by Rugby Fan Today at 2:37 pm

Saturday's Springboks game reminded me a little of the World Cup final. England and New Zealand both looked beaten quite early on, and yet the scoreboard remained closer than the run of play suggested, until eventually blowing out. Both England and New Zealand fought back to parity, or just shy of it, in the scrums but the damage had already been done by the time they did.

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Post by king_carlos Today at 4:48 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:Saturday's Springboks game reminded me a little of the World Cup final. England and New Zealand both looked beaten quite early on, and yet the scoreboard remained closer than the run of play suggested, until eventually blowing out. Both England and New Zealand fought back to parity, or just shy of it, in the scrums but the damage had already been done by the time they did.
The RWC final comparison with the scrum is interesting.

In the final England had 3 put ins, won all 3 scrums and won 1 penalty. The Boks had 11 put ins, won all 11 and won 4 penalties. So both sides won all scrums on their put in with near enough a penalty every 3 scrum put ins. Difference was that England's utterly abysmal error count from pressure of the Boks physicality in that game gave the Boks 11 put ins.

The Boks had 10 scrum put ins to NZs 5 on Saturday.

I'd guess that sides may start to 'play without the ball' against this Boks team. Avoid giving them scrum put ins and kick to keep the ball in field so that if the Boks want lineouts they have to kick it out themselves.

The issue with that will be that your starting XV will have made a ludicrous number of tackles (and tackling rather large blokes in general...) by the 50 minute mark when the Boks start unloading their bench forwards.

A formula that reduces scrum put ins seems the most obvious way to nullify that set-piece strength though and the easiest way to do that is generally a kicking dominant game plan.

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