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Post by king_carlos Wed 22 Feb 2023, 8:12 pm

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What it says on the tin.

I can't believe Youngs has been dropped...

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Post by BamBam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:34 pm

Is Wayne Pivac ok? Gabby is about to throw something at him Laugh

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:35 pm

king_carlos wrote:Ludlam impressive yet again.

England just stuttering along despite much opportunity though.

I don’t think that’s fair - missed kicks aside, England have made a couple of mistakes (Sinckler crossing; Steward’s knock on from a constestable kick), but most of the failed attacks are down to strong Welsh defence.

Last week England had a good attack from 22 to 22 but were making the wrong choices in the red zone; this week they are still making good ground in midfield and making better choices, but the execution is slightly off.

The danger is that Gatland’s sides tend to be good for 80 minutes but England have been fading in the second half. Borthwick will need to make smart use of his bench and England will need to keep their minds on the game if they want to win this.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:36 pm

England are dominating the physical battle but the defence slightly further out from the breakdown isn't as good as it should be. Like the big hits but I'd like Slade to be organising the midfield better. Ludlam's turnover just before halftime was very good but always looked like it was on.

The attack for England is error strewn. Handling errors and poor decisions all to regular.

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Post by BamBam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:38 pm

Wales are kicking well, Steward is defusing most of them but only takes one lapse, that's my concern

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Post by Duty281 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:38 pm

Pretty low-quality game. Welsh kicking has been atrocious. England should show more ambition with ball in hand. Farrell continues to frustrate.

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:38 pm

Argh - due to an admin error and booking a night out I have to leave before the end of the match ... this is looking like another one where England start looking stronger but end up getting sucker punched near the end ...

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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:40 pm

Watson and Lawrence have been very good as well.

Sinckler, Itoje and Chessum getting through loads of work which is what you want from the tight five.

The lineout could be so much more potent as a platform though.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:40 pm

Steward is a brilliant player, I’ve always thought that. Wales suffering at the breakdown, should have started with Reffell or Morgan, at least we’d have a few turns overs of our own then.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:42 pm

Subs are going to be important.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:46 pm

Awful by Malins.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

Never on and he throws a god awful pass.

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

How could he not see the intercept was coming - it was so obvious

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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

Christ that's bad. Well read by LZR and no-ones catching him but how Malins didn't respond blows the mind. That's abysmal.

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

That should be him dropped now

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:48 pm

Abysmal. That should end his England career.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:48 pm

Arundell sooner rather than later, please.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:48 pm

Might just be the worst pass ever seen at test level.

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:48 pm

Back to the pointless kicking again - but got away with it

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:50 pm

Phew.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:50 pm

And Farrell makes another bad kick, reprieved by a worse Welsh mistake. Glad they’re being pinged for rolling, which they were doing a lot in the first half too.

Good response from England. Now to get the ball back into Wales’s half
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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:50 pm

Let's hope if England go on to win that blunder by Malins isn't forgotten

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:51 pm

How did he see the grounding? I hate when we get French refs, the penalty it started from was dubious too.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:51 pm

Honestly thought they were just walking into getting held up and turned over there but good finish from Sinckler to spin out there.

Much better use of the lineout as well.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm

Good response after a Welsh error. Guess Reynal saw it.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm

Halfpenny has taken a fair few big hits so far today!

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Post by BamBam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:How did he see the grounding? I hate when we get French refs, the penalty it started from was dubious too.

It was clear from here angel

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:53 pm

It was as clear as Jac Morgan’s try against Leicester…

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:53 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:How did he see the grounding? I hate when we get French refs, the penalty it started from was dubious too.

Because he was a foot away. And no you can't roll to prevent a jackal.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:54 pm

England getting the edge in the scrum, but not sure they’ll be rewarded for it.
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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

Great counter-rucking there - Wales a little slow to the ball and the backs got their act together
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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

Watson looks a different class to anyone else that's been on the wing for England in a while. Hopefully we see Arundell joining him out there soon.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

Malins!

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:How did he see the grounding? I hate when we get French refs, the penalty it started from was dubious too.

Because he was a foot away. And no you can't roll to prevent a jackal.

He has to, as England players were off their feet. Just no empathy in that call, not that any team did dangerously wrong. The ref’s let go some forward passes so why no empathy here.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

Really nice covering tackle from Slade. Need to see him more in attack now.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

Great counter-rucking there - Wales a little slow to the ball and the backs got their act together
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Post by BamBam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:55 pm

I don't know what a Jac Morgan is

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:56 pm

I hope Sgt Pooly has noticed the game that Dombrandt has had so far.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm

Couple of times Watson seems to have lost the flight on those high kicks.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm

BamBam wrote:I don't know what a Jac Morgan is

Its a nice drop of whiskey

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:01 pm

Wonder where Tompkins is going to play?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:01 pm

We've brought Vunipola on for a scrum....

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:01 pm

Poorfour wrote:I hope Sgt Pooly has noticed the game that Dombrandt has had so far.

He should do, should be watching the game as its on the BBC and not focusing on a woman commentator on ITV Very Happy

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Post by Duty281 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:02 pm

England's subs hint of the pre-meditation under Lancaster.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:03 pm

Rees-Zammit got his positioning wrong there - he needed to take another step.
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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:04 pm

Duty281 wrote:England's subs hint of the pre-meditation under Lancaster.

Raynal had clearly decided he didn’t like Genge’s scrummaging, so swapping Mako (who’s far less aggressive) on is a smart move.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:05 pm

Duty281 wrote:England's subs hint of the pre-meditation under Lancaster.
I think Borthwick only trusts a few of the subs, but basically wants to win with his starters. I don't think we will see Mitchell, Smith until 70 mins.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm

Poorfour wrote:
Duty281 wrote:England's subs hint of the pre-meditation under Lancaster.

Raynal had clearly decided he didn’t like Genge’s scrummaging, so swapping Mako (who’s far less aggressive) on is a smart move.
Jason Leonard for Phil Vickery in the 2003 RWC Final

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm

I'd like some bravery here and see Mitchell and Smith on.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm

Poor from slade.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 25 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm

England have clearly got an attacking plan based on kicking to compete in the 22, but the players they have on the pitch don’t do it regularly enough at club level for it to work at this level.
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