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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 08 Sep 2023, 7:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

I couldn't see a topic to discuss general WC stuff and non home nations games.......

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:15 pm

Hooter person asleep then ...

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:15 pm

Heaf wrote:Not sure he actually kicked that before time was up?

It looked like he started his run up with 3 seconds left on the clock. What happens if he doesn’t kick it within 60 seconds? Is it a penalty to the other team?

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:16 pm

Tonga seem offside a lot

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:17 pm

Morgan75 wrote:
Heaf wrote:Not sure he actually kicked that before time was up?

It looked like he started his run up with 3 seconds left on the clock. What happens if he doesn’t kick it within 60 seconds? Is it a penalty to the other team?

Not sure, but unlikely a penalty, more likely a scrum

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:17 pm

Good question - don't know. Presumably a scrum or something?

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:19 pm

Heaf wrote:Good question - don't know.  Presumably a scrum or something?

Just checked and you’re right- a scrum is awarded to the previously penalised team 👍🏻

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:20 pm

Law 8.21 Penalty Kick: The kick must be taken within 60 seconds (playing time) from the time the team indicated their intention to do so, even if the ball rolls over and has to be placed again. Sanction: Kick is disallowed, and a scrum is awarded.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:21 pm

99% he didn't make contact with the ball until after time up - assuming the graphic on the TV screen was correct of course ...

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:25 pm

Ireland better hope they don't look at No. 13 who was miles offside there

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:30 pm

Think it was a good idea to play our first team, Tonga are a tough nut to crack

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:32 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Think it was a good idea to play our first team, Tonga are a tough nut to crack


No doubt about that, but you suspect Ireland will be smart enough to out play them. That try showed the way

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Post by king_carlos Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:33 pm

Inside ball from Sexton looks a touch forward there to me. It feels like there's been a fair few borderline passes in try build ups that aren't even looked at in the opening two weekends.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:33 pm

Looks like there are not that many easy games any more ... which is a good thing of course

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Post by king_carlos Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:34 pm

That said it's yet another example of Ireland's impressive playbook of set-piece attacking moves under Farrell and Catt. It's become a hallmark of their game plan under the current setup and they're very good at executing them as a unit.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:35 pm

king_carlos wrote:Inside ball from Sexton looks a touch forward there to me. It feels like there's been a fair few borderline passes in try build ups that aren't even looked at in the opening two weekends.

Yeah on first viewing I thought it went forwards, then I thought his hands probably went backwards, not sure either way - hoping the TMO is checking in the background at least.

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:36 pm

king_carlos wrote:Inside ball from Sexton looks a touch forward there to me. It feels like there's been a fair few borderline passes in try build ups that aren't even looked at in the opening two weekends.

I agree king Carlos. I’m sure I said that earlier on this thread. We’re copying rugby league with the “flat” passes 👍🏻

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:36 pm

Tongas lack of discipline is infuriating.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:37 pm

Poor discipline from Tonga costs them another try from nowhere

Game is much harder for them now

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:38 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Tongas lack of discipline is infuriating.

Really? Im loving it!

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:38 pm

Paid the price for being stupid there ...

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Post by king_carlos Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:39 pm

Ruthlessly clinical in punishing Kata's mistake there. Ireland are so well drilled at executing moves like that.

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:42 pm

Great try - elusive runner 👍🏻

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:43 pm

Goooooo MACK!!!!!

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Post by Recwatcher16 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:43 pm

Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm

That was very well finished

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:47 pm

Recwatcher16 wrote:Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

Im sure they are saving plenty for those games

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:48 pm

Recwatcher16 wrote:Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

I noticed that as well- the lifters accidentally being in front of the jumper. I’m sure a try was disallowed for this already in this weekends games. It happens in a lot of cases and is rarely picked up

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:50 pm

Well done Ireland

That's the BP and should be game over, Tonga look all at sea now

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:51 pm

Sexton should go after Dan Carters record now!!! Only 500 to go


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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:51 pm

Another great try by Jonny. Now he’s got the record, I’d sub him at halftime and put him in a bubble wrap room ready for further in the tournament 👍🏻

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:52 pm

So disappointed with Tonga with their new stars. They look all over the place, compounded with their usual shocking decispline.

Ireland are playing well though.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 8:56 pm

POM gets caught killing the ball

That's a shocker!

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:00 pm

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Recwatcher16 wrote:Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

I noticed that as well- the lifters accidentally being in front of the jumper. I’m sure a try was disallowed for this already in this weekends games. It happens in a lot of cases and is rarely picked up

Do you mean shielding the jumper/ball carrier when they land at the line-out or something else as that type of obstruction should be spotted easily by the officials?

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:00 pm

Well the game needed a Tonga try

Still a long way behind though


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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:00 pm

Think Ireland need to keep the pressure on for the second half

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:03 pm

Heaf wrote:
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Recwatcher16 wrote:Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

I noticed that as well- the lifters accidentally being in front of the jumper. I’m sure a try was disallowed for this already in this weekends games. It happens in a lot of cases and is rarely picked up

Do you mean shielding the jumper/ball carrier when they land at the line-out or something else as that type of obstruction should be spotted easily by the officials?

Yes shielding the jumper when they land. You’d think it would be easy to spot, but it happens in every match and is rarely picked up

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:15 pm

Morgan75 wrote:
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Morgan75 wrote:
Recwatcher16 wrote:Ireland being very crafty with lineouts and getting away with very secure ball, with no chance of any challenge by Tonga. Should have saved that tactic for later games as SA and Scotland will have seen it at every lineout.

I noticed that as well- the lifters accidentally being in front of the jumper. I’m sure a try was disallowed for this already in this weekends games. It happens in a lot of cases and is rarely picked up

Do you mean shielding the jumper/ball carrier when they land at the line-out or something else as that type of obstruction should be spotted easily by the officials?

Yes shielding the jumper when they land. You’d think it would be easy to spot, but it happens in every match and is rarely picked up

They are being very cute with it. They aren't completely sealing off the jumper they are just giving him a a buffer. It's right on the edge. A TMO has chalked off a try for this but it was the lifters clearly stepping in front of the lifter. No TMO is going to chalk off a try for what Ireland are doing as it's not clear and obvious enough. It's one of several reasons Ireland are so good, they blur the lines so well.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:20 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Think Ireland need to keep the pressure on for the second half
Emptied most the bench at halftime. Sexton and the whole front row off. With Sheehan and Healy injured that's basically down to 3rd choice at hooker and TH. Farrell not afraid to back his depth.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:21 pm

That's poor from Tonga

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:24 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:So disappointed with Tonga with their new stars. They look all over the place, compounded with their usual shocking decispline.

Ireland are playing well though.

The Tongan discipline no worse than the Irish. The error count though, there's a gulf in that area. The problem for Tonga is always likely to be that they've got 15 players who play for between 10 and 15 different clubs. It's hard to build cohesion when the squad is so rarely together. Against a lot of teams they might get away with it but Ireland are an absolute class act with players that have played a lot together and the foundation coming from an incredible Leinster side.

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Post by Heaf Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:30 pm

No idea why the TMO had to point that out - it was bloody obvious in live play

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Post by Morgan75 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:50 pm

Lifters shielding once again 🤦‍�

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 16 Sep 2023, 9:56 pm

Impressive performance tonight

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 16 Sep 2023, 10:00 pm

I think Tonga have done themselves proud. Hope they grab a late try, just to go out on a good note.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Sep 2023, 10:03 pm

It was a tough first game for Tonga
Ireland have been clinical and showed they are in a good place for this competition

Tonga will get the chance to show their wares against Scotland next weekend, which will be a pivotal game for both teams.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun 17 Sep 2023, 7:22 am

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LeinsterFan4life wrote:So disappointed with Tonga with their new stars. They look all over the place, compounded with their usual shocking decispline.

Ireland are playing well though.

The Tongan discipline no worse than the Irish. The error count though, there's a gulf in that area. The problem for Tonga is always likely to be that they've got 15 players who play for between 10 and 15 different clubs. It's hard to build cohesion when the squad is so rarely together. Against a lot of teams they might get away with it but Ireland are an absolute class act with players that have played a lot together and the foundation coming from an incredible Leinster side.
Constantly offside (Not always pinged) loads of late hits, fractured defensive line the whole game, not good enough.

They have a team full of top professionals, so they should be held to a lot higher standard than the likes of Portugal and Uruguay but those sides looked a lot better. Tonga also played the most warmups (pacific nations tournament plus two games against Canada) out of everybody in the lead up, compared to Portugal who had one game against Aus A for instance. Cohesion shouldn't be as big of an issue as it is.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 10:00 am

Yeah I thought Tonga were offside a lot but Ireland dealt with that well by letting the heavies and Aki take a lot of the first phase ball. Will prob do something similar v SA.

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 2:15 pm

Is that the fastest TBP ever?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 2:15 pm

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 2:18 pm

For sure

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