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Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:18 pm
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North American Fixtures
Saturday 6 July: Canada v Scotland, TD Place, Ottawa
Friday 12 July: USA v Scotland, Audi Field, Washington DC
South American Fixtures
Saturday 20 July: Chile v Scotland, Estadio Nacional, Santiago
Saturday 27 July: Uruguay v Scotland, Estadio Charrúa, Montevideo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c2504p0qwvyo
Opposition World Rankings
Canada 21st
USA 17th
Chile 23rd
Uruguay 18th
Scotland Squad
[TBC]
Talking Points
Primed to be a development tour, Scotland will face four sides outside the top ten ranked rugby teams in world rugby.
Despite a poor World Cup and a poor Six Nations, Scotland will have an opportunity to develop fringe players. Who knows, perhaps we will have a bolter or two link up with the squad?
With Glasgow flying high in the URC it is highly likely that many soon to be capped players will come from the Warriors camp.
With Russell and Darge being Co-Captains for the Six Nations will we see a new Captain selected to lead the squad this Summer?
Which players will most likely be rested and not be a part of the touring squad?
North American Fixtures
Saturday 6 July: Canada v Scotland, TD Place, Ottawa
Friday 12 July: USA v Scotland, Audi Field, Washington DC
South American Fixtures
Saturday 20 July: Chile v Scotland, Estadio Nacional, Santiago
Saturday 27 July: Uruguay v Scotland, Estadio Charrúa, Montevideo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c2504p0qwvyo
Opposition World Rankings
Canada 21st
USA 17th
Chile 23rd
Uruguay 18th
Scotland Squad
[TBC]
Talking Points
Primed to be a development tour, Scotland will face four sides outside the top ten ranked rugby teams in world rugby.
Despite a poor World Cup and a poor Six Nations, Scotland will have an opportunity to develop fringe players. Who knows, perhaps we will have a bolter or two link up with the squad?
With Glasgow flying high in the URC it is highly likely that many soon to be capped players will come from the Warriors camp.
With Russell and Darge being Co-Captains for the Six Nations will we see a new Captain selected to lead the squad this Summer?
Which players will most likely be rested and not be a part of the touring squad?
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by tigertattie Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:20 pm
This is grim. I know this isn’t the full team but many of these lads are first choice with some new lads getting a run.
This is feckin poor. You don’t need established combos to chuck a ball straight at a lineout. You don’t need established combos not to pass a ball to an Uruguayan on our own 5m line. Ashman has been poor but Healy is feckin dire. How he gets a game for Scotland is beyond me
This is feckin poor. You don’t need established combos to chuck a ball straight at a lineout. You don’t need established combos not to pass a ball to an Uruguayan on our own 5m line. Ashman has been poor but Healy is feckin dire. How he gets a game for Scotland is beyond me
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by tigertattie Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:22 pm
And just like that the South Americans draw level with a conversion to come
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:23 pm
Well Uruguay score again and you can't say it was not deserved!
Luckily their kicker is not on point
19 all
Luckily their kicker is not on point
19 all
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:27 pm
Well another line out drive over takes us back into the lead
It would be nice to see something creative before the end of this game
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It would be nice to see something creative before the end of this game
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:30 pm
That is better now
Not for the first time on this tour, Dobie makes such a difference with his speed of pass
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Not for the first time on this tour, Dobie makes such a difference with his speed of pass
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by tigertattie Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:30 pm
Hastings to the rescue again
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:46 pm
Kyle Steyn, who has made some impact, scores
Then it gets knocked off for obstruction, pretty dubiously, it has to be said.
Then it gets knocked off for obstruction, pretty dubiously, it has to be said.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:53 pm
That's that then
In truth probably a game to many for this season for some of these players, who looked pretty tired.
Toonie may have learnt a bit more about who is not a test player than who is!
Luckily we had some quality on the bench. Schoeman, Dobie, Hastings and Steyn all showed they have got what it takes. Not something that could be said about everyone.
Everyone needs a good summer holiday now and we re-load next season.
In truth probably a game to many for this season for some of these players, who looked pretty tired.
Toonie may have learnt a bit more about who is not a test player than who is!
Luckily we had some quality on the bench. Schoeman, Dobie, Hastings and Steyn all showed they have got what it takes. Not something that could be said about everyone.
Everyone needs a good summer holiday now and we re-load next season.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by jimbopip Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:55 pm
Pass marks tonight; Fagerson, House Elf, Mbawza, Harrison, Darge, Haircut, Shug, Banjo, Seaman.
OK(ish) Brown, Willianson, Crosbie.
Father Dougal Award for being ever so slightly behind the conversation....Ben Healey.
OK(ish) Brown, Willianson, Crosbie.
Father Dougal Award for being ever so slightly behind the conversation....Ben Healey.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:58 pm
Frantic end to that one! Got the win, lots of game time for young players and shug wins his 50th cap.
All in all it’s been a great development tour. Pretty ugly at times but that’s not important.
Come November when the serious tests arrive there’ll be new players in the frame to compete for places. Then come the six nations you’d hope to see a changing of the guard in some positions.
All in all it’s been a great development tour. Pretty ugly at times but that’s not important.
Come November when the serious tests arrive there’ll be new players in the frame to compete for places. Then come the six nations you’d hope to see a changing of the guard in some positions.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by RDW Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:49 pm
Sounds like a bit of a slog at the end of a long season. We're the only team still playing this late on - maybe was.one game too far.
Hopefully Toonie learnt something from it all.
Hopefully Toonie learnt something from it all.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by Hazel Sapling Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:13 pm
Watched the last half hour and the difference in Scotland when the reinforcements came on was very noticeable. Not idea if we started well and just fell asleep but felt Schoeman, Harrison, Johnson, Ritchie, Dobie and Hastings came on to great effect. Walker less so.
Made an effort to watch Dobie's passing and it was superb. Only six starts at SH last year (and similar number the previous two seasons) and clearly needs to be getting more opportunities.
Whilst the tour was not challenging for the most part, one of our big challenges is we are not as big a commercial draw as France, England or Ireland to get tours of NZ and SA. It was getting problematic that we are not getting chances against NZ (3 matches in the last decade vs 7 for Wales and 8 for England) and SA (3 matches in the last decade outside of the RWC vs 14 for Wales and 8 for England), however the World Rugby Nations Championship starting in 2026 should guarantee us one game a year against each of the SANZAAR nations.
Made an effort to watch Dobie's passing and it was superb. Only six starts at SH last year (and similar number the previous two seasons) and clearly needs to be getting more opportunities.
Whilst the tour was not challenging for the most part, one of our big challenges is we are not as big a commercial draw as France, England or Ireland to get tours of NZ and SA. It was getting problematic that we are not getting chances against NZ (3 matches in the last decade vs 7 for Wales and 8 for England) and SA (3 matches in the last decade outside of the RWC vs 14 for Wales and 8 for England), however the World Rugby Nations Championship starting in 2026 should guarantee us one game a year against each of the SANZAAR nations.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:02 am
Yeah the new system is going to be a lot better. It’s a joke that Scotland’s last test in NZ was over two decades ago. Plus giving more exposure to tier two/three sides is going to make a big difference.
There’s been a real mix of feeling from fans about this tour. It was definitely a long season for many of these players, however I probably agree with Toonie on the value of exposing so many uncapped players to test rugby in a tour environment. It was particularly beneficial for the pack where we know Scotland often lack depth.
Once the URC begins again I’ll certainly be tracking many of these players progress. As well Richardson and Johnson.
There’s been a real mix of feeling from fans about this tour. It was definitely a long season for many of these players, however I probably agree with Toonie on the value of exposing so many uncapped players to test rugby in a tour environment. It was particularly beneficial for the pack where we know Scotland often lack depth.
Once the URC begins again I’ll certainly be tracking many of these players progress. As well Richardson and Johnson.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by Highland Shaun Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:35 am
So how do you guys think the many new caps that got debuts during this tour got on and who do you see making a push for getting into the squad for Autumn Series and 6Ns 
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I would certainly say Gus Warr, Arron Reed and Paddy Harrison
?I would certainly say Gus Warr, Arron Reed and Paddy Harrison
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:07 am
https://www.theoffsideline.com/scotland-americas-tour-opinion/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEVfZJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXZY2Pf8J31rEmula3gsM7c0YFEfJPnyDCiYAXmnZnXeMDQvTPiijm3t_g_aem_kw5SZSILWN2gOO0aIBN6cA
A fun read this one!
To answer your question Shaun, I think Richardson impressed me the most. I’d expect him to play in the autumn as well as Warr who you mentioned.
A fun read this one!
To answer your question Shaun, I think Richardson impressed me the most. I’d expect him to play in the autumn as well as Warr who you mentioned.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by Hazel Sapling Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:15 am
I don't think we will see any new LH's, backrows or centres on the back of this tour, but reckon there has been a reshuffle at the other spots. It is tough to say due to the quality of competition and club form/injury in September/October but as of right now.
With Turner in Japan and presumably unavailable, I assume the HKs will be Ashman, Matthews and Richardson. I think Hiddleston or Smith are next up. Harrison needs to get some club games under his belt.
TH has been disappointing. Millar-Mills is likely locked in as one of the options behind Zander. I don't think Sebastian has done enough so Walker or Hurd will get the third spot as the young gun to build experience.
LKs should be the Grays, Cummings, Williamson and I would have Johnson as the fifth. Think Johnson looked the part more than Craig. Henderson may not be fit and firing in time to break in and Hunter-Hill has not had a look in so far are other alternatives. That is ignoring Sykes and Hodgson who are also around.
One of Warr and Dobie will be in the squad competing with White and G Horne. Suspect it will be Warr.
Hastings has overtaken everyone for backing up Fin. Third spot is up for grabs as Healy struggled, Thompson looks like he will get a shot at Edinburgh and Jordan qualifies for Scotland. I think Jordan takes the spot.
Back three, we have a shortage of options. Graham (when fit), DVDM and Steyn are a good triumvirate albeit ageing. Kinghorn is the starting full back. I would say Rowe is the next winger up at the moment with Patterson taking Ollie Smith's position backing up Kinghorn.
With Turner in Japan and presumably unavailable, I assume the HKs will be Ashman, Matthews and Richardson. I think Hiddleston or Smith are next up. Harrison needs to get some club games under his belt.
TH has been disappointing. Millar-Mills is likely locked in as one of the options behind Zander. I don't think Sebastian has done enough so Walker or Hurd will get the third spot as the young gun to build experience.
LKs should be the Grays, Cummings, Williamson and I would have Johnson as the fifth. Think Johnson looked the part more than Craig. Henderson may not be fit and firing in time to break in and Hunter-Hill has not had a look in so far are other alternatives. That is ignoring Sykes and Hodgson who are also around.
One of Warr and Dobie will be in the squad competing with White and G Horne. Suspect it will be Warr.
Hastings has overtaken everyone for backing up Fin. Third spot is up for grabs as Healy struggled, Thompson looks like he will get a shot at Edinburgh and Jordan qualifies for Scotland. I think Jordan takes the spot.
Back three, we have a shortage of options. Graham (when fit), DVDM and Steyn are a good triumvirate albeit ageing. Kinghorn is the starting full back. I would say Rowe is the next winger up at the moment with Patterson taking Ollie Smith's position backing up Kinghorn.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by jimbopip Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:29 pm
Hazel Sapling wrote:I don't think we will see any new LH's, backrows or centres on the back of this tour, but reckon there has been a reshuffle at the other spots. It is tough to say due to the quality of competition and club form/injury in September/October but as of right now.
With Turner in Japan and presumably unavailable, I assume the HKs will be Ashman, Matthews and Richardson. I think Hiddleston or Smith are next up. Harrison needs to get some club games under his belt. It'd be difficult to argue with this...but tigertattie may well try.
TH has been disappointing. Millar-Mills is likely locked in as one of the options behind Zander. I don't think Sebastian has done enough so Walker or Hurd will get the third spot as the young gun to build experience. No mention of Looseheads; I think Nathan Macbethh is the coming man.
LKs should be the Grays, Cummings, Williamson and I would have Johnson as the fifth. Think Johnson looked the part more than Craig. Henderson may not be fit and firing in time to break in and Hunter-Hill has not had a look in so far are other alternatives. That is ignoring Sykes and Hodgson who are also around. Don't rule out Alex Samuels who is spoken of very highly by the staff at The Home Of The Champions. He missed the end of the season because of injury but he does look a real prospect.
One of Warr and Dobie will be in the squad competing with White and G Horne. Suspect it will be Warr.Be serious. Warr looked pedestrian and every time I see The House Elf at 9 I remember Marv Levy, Buffalo Bills coach, describing QB Jim Kelly's passing action as "The smoothest motion since Glen Miller's slide trombone." Dobie will be a great Scotland player, probably much sooner than we think.
Hastings has overtaken everyone for backing up Fin. Third spot is up for grabs as Healy struggled, Thompson looks like he will get a shot at Edinburgh and Jordan qualifies for Scotland. I think Jordan takes the spot.Haircut is still...well, Haircut. He has all the skills but somehow fails to convince. To use another NFL analogy, Bill Purcells said of his QB Phil Simms, "He's the kind of guy you'd want next to you if you were in a fox hole." Meaning that he was the sort of man people would follow into battle. I wouldn't follow Haircut into a pub on Byres Road. Jordan would be a good shout for third spot but as much as he is Franco's ideal 10 is he Toonies?"
Back three, we have a shortage of options. Graham (when fit), DVDM and Steyn are a good triumvirate albeit ageing. Kinghorn is the starting full back. I would say Rowe is the next winger up at the moment with Patterson taking Ollie Smith's position backing up Kinghorn.ADHD-Blarehorn-Duhan...Rowe-Smith-Seaman...Speedy McReedy-Banjo-Dobie ... with Dobie-Stafford-Shug as an emergency back up. This is as deep a pool of good back three players as I can remember.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:14 pm
Dobie really needs to start a test match like Ben White did vs England. He’s got a good skillset but hasn’t been dropped in at SH vs a top side. Until he starts and impresses vs likes of Australia, SA or Ireland etc it’s hard to see where he fits in.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by Tramptastic Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:29 pm
Agree with all the above, Paterson in particular has really pushed himself forward in Smiths absence.
Happy for Smith to have to work hard to get back in, his performance against Ireland in the RWC still rankles.
Happy for Smith to have to work hard to get back in, his performance against Ireland in the RWC still rankles.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by RDW Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:44 am
https://x.com/Scotlandteam/status/1819282487652098122?t=ykROonmJVK-2UcY4Otv8BA&s=19
Well this is pretty bowfing
Well this is pretty bowfing
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by NeilyBroon Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:02 am
RDW wrote:https://x.com/Scotlandteam/status/1819282487652098122?t=ykROonmJVK-2UcY4Otv8BA&s=19
Well this is pretty bowfing
Next summer tour is to benidorm
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by RDW Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:07 am
The claymore theme is so random and tacky too.
Wtf is that.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by bsando Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:35 pm
No way in hell would I buy that!
It's more like a skintight, ten pin bowling shirt than a rugby top.
Actually who will buy this? And the turquoise green around the collar and sleeves.. shocker!
It's more like a skintight, ten pin bowling shirt than a rugby top.
Actually who will buy this? And the turquoise green around the collar and sleeves.. shocker!
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by George Carlin Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:19 pm
Good lord. I presume Tampax or Cialis passed on this gig.NeilyBroon wrote:RDW wrote:https://x.com/Scotlandteam/status/1819282487652098122?t=ykROonmJVK-2UcY4Otv8BA&s=19
Well this is pretty bowfing
Next summer tour is to benidorm
The tackiest car company, with the largest standard grade art school project logo in the cheapest looking shirt. Expect every well dressed ned to be wearing these with their Kappa pop-in trackies outside their local Gregg's in a year's time once they reach the bargain bin in Graves Sport.
Shame because I've just bought my training clothes from the new national team line and they're really good. I was hoping it might be Vodaphone as they seem to be sponsoring both Ireland and Wales now. I suppose if the Welsh had Brains Beer stapled to their nipples than we have to suffer the indignity of this.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by NeilyBroon Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:01 pm
Just make the kit orange, blue and white with Irn Bru slapped across the chest and get the boys to hold a girder for the press shots.
New Zealand just did a classic kit that was really positively received. I get we have to change things but also... if it ain't broke... We're lucky our country colours are navy, white and a wee bit of purple here and there. How can you balls that up??
It's like when we did those weird red shirts supposed to be representing the lion rampant. Even those were better. Even the lilac change kit was better!
New Zealand just did a classic kit that was really positively received. I get we have to change things but also... if it ain't broke... We're lucky our country colours are navy, white and a wee bit of purple here and there. How can you balls that up??
It's like when we did those weird red shirts supposed to be representing the lion rampant. Even those were better. Even the lilac change kit was better!
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by formerly known as Sam Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:17 pm
It does look like a retro football shirt. The sleeves are hideous, the overall design isn't bad and the collar is very in (see the latest AB offering, Argentina love a traditional collar as well). The weird Claymore thing reminds me of when England tried to crowbar the VC into the shirt design. Didn't work then and doesn't work now. Shame they couldn't do something a bit more classy as the retro shirt designs tend to look good.
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by NeilyBroon Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:04 am
To be honest I liked the 1998 home kit, we've not had that much purple in the kit for a long time - some kind of variation on that with classic shirt style with a white collar could potentially look really good and is different enough that it's not just the same shirt every year. We've not had the white hoops in a good number of years either.
I just hope this new kit only hangs around for a season when they realise no-one will buy it unless it's under a fiver.
I just hope this new kit only hangs around for a season when they realise no-one will buy it unless it's under a fiver.
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by bsando Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:18 am
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145682019926?chn=ps&_ul=GB&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=145682019926&targetid=2271253371306&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=1007345&poi=&campaignid=21393315357&mkgroupid=162440466646&rlsatarget=pla-2271253371306&abcId=9448316&merchantid=109826360&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_Lr1eGPIOovczdyIRqrJadyYbP6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzby1BhCQARIsAJ_0t5PPuG_rtP_-A7wFuO-HJvbEdRrSZ7MbwHa-l-JQiUAvskGJH_EEQw0aAqXSEALw_wcB
Always liked this one, I have a short sleeved one in a box somewhere from my last days of boyhood.
Always liked this one, I have a short sleeved one in a box somewhere from my last days of boyhood.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by NeilyBroon Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:10 am
Well the away kit looks marginally less horrendous. Take away the sponsor logo, the alba gu brath on the sleeve cuffs and the saltire on the front of the collar and I'd almost say it's quite nice.
As it stands it still looks like something you'd buy from the tat shops on the Royal Mile.
As it stands it still looks like something you'd buy from the tat shops on the Royal Mile.
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by jimbopip Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:10 pm
Evening gentlepeeps, it appears that Caz The Quiet Bok and myself will be at Murrayfield for the Boks match. Bru is also hitch hiking up from the Toon. Hagia Sophia will be making marmalade sandwiches to sustain him on the journey.
Maybe see some of you for a small refreshment?
Maybe see some of you for a small refreshment?
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by George Carlin Sat Sep 07, 2024 11:11 am
Very good performance from the ladies:
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by Collapse2005 Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:23 pm
What on earth is going on with Stuart Hogg, has the man completely lost the plot?
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Re: Scotland's Summer Tour of the Americas
by BigGee Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:34 pm
Collapse2005 wrote:What on earth is going on with Stuart Hogg, has the man completely lost the plot?
The answer to that is yes and probably some time ago!
If I were him I would be asking for a refund for the therapy fees!
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