Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JAS]

First topic message reminder :

Anyone fancy taking a sweep on when Labour are going to say "we've looked at the books, and it's worse than we thought, so we have to raise taxes"

Well...if Starmer hasn't done it by Friday 6:00pm it'll have to wait until next week :-p

[Soul Requiem]

Vauxhall are to cars as Slazenger are to golf. They are one of the least aspirational marques around and also in my experience have the worst drivers on the road. If you see an upturned car in a field. 70% chance it's a Vauxhall Corsa.
They are driven by the sort of people who wear those pale grey tracksuits

I have a Vauxhall Corsa as a run around because it's cheap and very reliable. I also drive a Type R because I wanted it and it's great for longer drives but pretty crap around town.

Do you wear pale grey tracksuits though soul

Nah I go for black with bright pink trim.

[super_realist]

What a piece of sh1t Dawn Butler is.

[McLaren]

What a piece of sh1t Dawn Butler is.

What happened?

[super_realist]

What a piece of sh1t Dawn Butler is.

What happened?

She retweeted a post which claimed Kemi Badenoch was the blackface of white supremacy. She has previous form for this race baiting and should be sanctioned by Labour as others of their MPs have been, but no. Starmer is too chicken to stand up to his established, but immature far left quotient.

What is it about the far left that they think they think they can tell you how you should vote on the basis of what skin colour you have. They just can't accept that you can be non white and right of centre. Abbott, Lammy, Khan, Sultana, Russel Moyles all have this view that you HAVE to vote a certain way.

Imagine if a white MP had said something similar. They'd at the very least had the whip removed if not kicked out of their party.

It's ironic that Labour have had nothing but old white men as leaders and say what you like about the Tories at least they have had 3 women, a Jew, an Asian and now a black woman as leader.

I actually think Badenoch will be good at holding the hapless, hypocritical Starmer and his dreadful, , lying, inept government to account. Wasn't that long ago Labour were saying they were going the scrap the tuition fees (that they introduced) and are now committed to increasing them. Everything they said they wouldn't do, they are now doing.

Has a government in the UK ever got off to a worse start than this bunch of losers? They're so bad that Starmer is even less popular than Sunak and now even the Conservatives are ahead of them in polls.

[navyblueshorts]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

[super_realist]

What do you mean "people you don't expect to have certain views"? What sort of racist are you to suggest that all black people should think alike and who are you to say what that view should be?

You're blaming the voters for Labour being unpopular?
I don't disagree that British people can be very stupid, but Labour have proven they are both an ineffective opposition and are now proving themselves to be an ineffective, corrupt, inept and hypocritical government.

I think it's fair to say that Britain is in a poor place regardless of who is in Government. Labour aren't any good, and nor were the Tories.

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

[navyblueshorts]

Oh, good grief. Just forget it, why don't you? Should I have written 'one' instead of 'you'? Would that have helped you? Probably not. It was you that raised the point re. assumptions in a previous post!

It's impossible to have any sort of reasoned discussion with you. Enjoy your echo chamber.

I didn't mention Trump, or imply he was part of any conversation I was having, but don't let that stop you going off on a unsolicited, tangential rant that you want to have about your so-called luvvies etc.

[Soul Requiem]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

Sorry what?

[navyblueshorts]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

Sorry what?

Forgive me, but I'm not going to re-write that post in language suitable for kindergarten. I'm sure you understand.

[Soul Requiem]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

Sorry what?

Forgive me, but I'm not going to re-write that post in language suitable for kindergarten. I'm sure you understand.

That response says more about you than it does me.

[navyblueshorts]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

Sorry what?

Forgive me, but I'm not going to re-write that post in language suitable for kindergarten. I'm sure you understand.

That response says more about you than it does me.

Quite possibly, but more than happy with it. Look the words up if it helps.

[McLaren]

Whatever. I don't know why Butler is surprised - you can always find people that many wouldn't expect to hold certain views turning out to be even worse than one would expect. Stupid of Butler to say it out loud, though. Then again, anyone on social media is likely stupid and can't resist making an arse of themselves.

The fact that, after 14 years of the worst Government in history, the Tories are apparently more popular than Labour right now tells me all I need to know about humanity. Cretins and we deserve all we get.

Sorry what?

What don't you understand Soul?


Americans just about to get what they deserve as well. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

[JAS]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A mysoginistic narcissistic pathological liar and convicted felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

[JAS]

I see Clacton were represented on the world stage overnight. Was he there on Reform business? Or was he hypocritically volunteering?

[JAS]

Pretty much spot on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0eq7VNCcYY

[super_realist]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

Talk about an over reaction.

[super_realist]

Oh, good grief. Just forget it, why don't you? Should I have written 'one' instead of 'you'? Would that have helped you? Probably not. It was you that raised the point re. assumptions in a previous post!

It's impossible to have any sort of reasoned discussion with you. Enjoy your echo chamber.

I didn't mention Trump, or imply he was part of any conversation I was having, but don't let that stop you going off on a unsolicited, tangential rant that you want to have about your so-called luvvies etc.

You're the one making assumptions on how skin colour ought to define how one/you/everyone is expected to vote.
You implied you expect black people to vote a certain way. Why would you do that? Do you think all black people should think the same way?

Sounds like you've bought into the myth that being in a minority means you're also part of a group think community. Well, there's no such thing as "the black community" and thinking different from the likes of Dawn Butler or Sadiq Khunt doesn't make you a traitor, a coconut or an uncle tom.

[Duty281]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

[McLaren]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

[Duty281]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Nope, Trump never recommended drinking bleach as a covid cure.

[JAS]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

Yeah, there were no Downing Street parties during lockdown either were there?? And Trump never mentioned grabbing women by the Cat either?? It is quite a curious trait, the level of Truth denial and history airbrushing the right have.

[Soul Requiem]

The thing is he didn't say that; he asked rather stupidly in a press conference if it was something they could look into.

[superflyweight]

The thing is he didn't say that; he asked rather stupidly in a press conference if it was something they could look into.

Either way, it doesn't suggest that he's one of the great thinkers.

[Soul Requiem]

The thing is he didn't say that; he asked rather stupidly in a press conference if it was something they could look into.

Either way, it doesn't suggest that he's one of the great thinkers.  

Some comments are better said in private. Ironically in the same presser he also said "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

[navyblueshorts]

I see Clacton were represented on the world stage overnight. Was he there on Reform business? Or was he hypocritically volunteering?

Didn't you know that he's directly promoting the issues of Clacton residents by being there? Really. How could anyone think otherwise?

[navyblueshorts]

Oh, good grief. Just forget it, why don't you? Should I have written 'one' instead of 'you'? Would that have helped you? Probably not. It was you that raised the point re. assumptions in a previous post!

It's impossible to have any sort of reasoned discussion with you. Enjoy your echo chamber.

I didn't mention Trump, or imply he was part of any conversation I was having, but don't let that stop you going off on a unsolicited, tangential rant that you want to have about your so-called luvvies etc.

You're the one making assumptions on how skin colour ought to define how one/you/everyone is expected to vote.
You implied you expect black people to vote a certain way. Why would you do that? Do you think all black people should think the same way?

Sounds like you've bought into the myth that being in a minority means you're also part of a group think community. Well, there's no such thing as "the black community" and thinking different from the likes of Dawn Butler or Sadiq Khunt doesn't make you a traitor, a coconut or an uncle tom.

Wrong, but you knew that, didn't you? I didn't imply anything of the sort, but you chose to take it that way deliberately, or you're just making assumptions about what I meant. It's instructive that you've chosen to interpret my post in the way that you have, but not surprising.

By the way, you are sooo funny with your Trumpian nickname for Sadiq Khan. Be still be aching sides. Stop it! Please! I can't take anymore....

[navyblueshorts]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Nope, Trump never recommended drinking bleach as a covid cure.

No. He recommended injecting it, because that's so much better. Stop it.

[Duty281]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

Yeah, there were no Downing Street parties during lockdown either were there?? And Trump never mentioned grabbing women by the Cat either??  It is quite a curious trait, the level of Truth denial and history airbrushing the right have.

What are you talking about? Trump  never recommended drinking bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects. That is a fact. He spoke about something else instead, which I thought was daft, but he never recommended drinking bleach.

The only truth denial is coming from yourself. The reason I brought it up is many people, including yourself, have a false memory he did.

[Duty281]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Nope, Trump never recommended drinking bleach as a covid cure.

No. He recommended injecting it, because that's so much better. Stop it.

Nope, he didn't recommend injecting it either. He was asking about possible research into internal injections or internal disinfectant.

While noting the research should be treated with caution, Mr Trump suggested further research in that area.

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Like I said, I think it's utterly daft, but at no point did Trump recommend to anyone that they should drink bleach or inject bleach to cure covid.

[JAS]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Nope, Trump never recommended drinking bleach as a covid cure.

No. He recommended injecting it, because that's so much better. Stop it.

Nope, he didn't recommend injecting it either. He was asking about possible research into internal injections or internal disinfectant.

While noting the research should be treated with caution, Mr Trump suggested further research in that area.

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Like I said, I think it's utterly daft, but at no point did Trump recommend to anyone that they should drink bleach or inject bleach to cure covid.

Ok he never said the specific words "Drink bleach it'll cure Covid" however as you yourself agree, it was a pretty stupid musing around the subject for a supposedly international statesman to utter. As for truth denial, is it really surprising truth denial is becoming so commonplace, everybody is at it.
"There were no parties" "An asylum seeker has just murdered 3 girls in Southport" and in the interests of balance "we didn't know there was a £22bn black hole in the economy" Maybe, just maybe politicians and those engaging with them and about them should think a bit more about indulging in post truth misinformation spreading. It has become normalised and is helping no-one but if it is to stop then it has to stop across the board. The average political debate these says takes what may well be seeds of truth but ends up bending truth out of shape and sowing division.

[Duty281]

On the Trump issue, it's worth him getting in just to see the likes of Sky, BBC, Channel 4, Hollywood luvvies etc cry their eyes out.

What??? A  mysoginistic narcissistic  pathological liar and convicted  felon who in his last white house residency recommended the drinking of bleach as a Covid cure to his subjects??
To hell with societal normality, the safety of Americans who don’t share his views or indulge in his cult.
To hell with the cohesion of the anti Putin international order.
Just bin all that so that you can be worthily amused??

Your anti-Left sentiments have always been a bit of an amusing caricature but that statement reveals that underneath the covers there lurks more than just a smidging of insanity.

That never happened.

It did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Nope, Trump never recommended drinking bleach as a covid cure.

No. He recommended injecting it, because that's so much better. Stop it.

Nope, he didn't recommend injecting it either. He was asking about possible research into internal injections or internal disinfectant.

While noting the research should be treated with caution, Mr Trump suggested further research in that area.

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Like I said, I think it's utterly daft, but at no point did Trump recommend to anyone that they should drink bleach or inject bleach to cure covid.

Ok he never said the specific words "Drink bleach it'll cure Covid" however as you yourself agree, it was a pretty stupid musing around the subject for a supposedly international statesman to utter. As for truth denial, is it really surprising truth denial is becoming so commonplace, everybody is at it.
"There were no parties" "An asylum seeker has just murdered 3 girls in Southport" and in the interests of balance "we didn't know there was a £22bn black hole in the economy" Maybe, just maybe politicians and those engaging with them and about them should think a bit more about indulging in post truth misinformation spreading. It has become normalised and is helping no-one but if it is to stop then it has to stop across the board. The average political debate these says takes what may well be seeds of truth but ends up bending truth out of shape and sowing division.

Correct, he never said the specific words 'drink bleach it'll cure covid', because, and this is most important, he never recommended drinking bleach to cure covid.

I agree truth denial is commonplace. You've engaged in it here.

[McLaren]

Duty

Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

Detergent was clearly what he called bleach. Unless you think he was suggesting that people should inject fairy liquid?

In that clip you can hear him basically tell the doctor what they should be working on. Which is weird given that he is a moron. If you are not aware, when a politician, especially the president of the USA, starts making comments like that in public they are essentially ensuring that the relevant departments have to look into it. Whether or not that was the intention. Not even Trump could be so clueless as to not know what putting that sort of information out in public means.

In any case we are left wondering if suggesting the injection of fairy liquid rather than the drinking of bleach means Trump provided sound medical advice?

[navyblueshorts]

Spoiler:

I'll give you that. One thing this illustrates is the utterly appalling journalism we all have to deal with these days.

[Duty281]

Duty

Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

Detergent was clearly what he called bleach. Unless you think he was suggesting that people should inject fairy liquid?

In that clip you can hear him basically tell the doctor what they should be working on. Which is weird given that he is a moron. If you are not aware, when a politician, especially the president of the USA, starts making comments like that in public they are essentially ensuring that the relevant departments have to look into it. Whether or not that was the intention. Not even Trump could be so clueless as to not know what putting that sort of information out in public means.

In any case we are left wondering if suggesting the injection of fairy liquid rather than the drinking of bleach means Trump provided sound medical advice?

He wasn't *suggesting* that people should do anything. He was asking a medical person if there were a way to inject disinfectant inside a body, and he also asked if UV light was a solution.

But he did not recommend, suggest, or tell people to inject or drink bleach as a cure to covid.

[Duty281]

Spoiler:

I'll give you that. One thing this illustrates is the utterly appalling journalism we all have to deal with these days.

Yes, absolutely. Mainstream media is complete garbage, packed with people who are unable to let their biases go and who write dangerous and misleading headlines. Unfortunately, some people can feed into that, through their own tribal biases and unwillingness to corroborate things themselves.

Many people, as Jas did, genuinely believe Trump told people to inject or drink bleach to cure covid, because they've been led astray by misleading mainstream media. Somewhat ironically, this causes more danger than Trump's original comments. And such lies were repeated by Biden at the last Presidential debate.

And we'll see more of this. Mainstream media gave Biden a ridiculously easy ride. Hardly any scrutiny whatsoever. But with Trump everything will be turned up to 11.

[super_realist]

Spoiler:

I'll give you that. One thing this illustrates is the utterly appalling journalism we all have to deal with these days.

Including the BBC that you so vehemently defend and as far as I recall have never criticised.

[super_realist]

Oh, good grief. Just forget it, why don't you? Should I have written 'one' instead of 'you'? Would that have helped you? Probably not. It was you that raised the point re. assumptions in a previous post!

It's impossible to have any sort of reasoned discussion with you. Enjoy your echo chamber.

I didn't mention Trump, or imply he was part of any conversation I was having, but don't let that stop you going off on a unsolicited, tangential rant that you want to have about your so-called luvvies etc.

You're the one making assumptions on how skin colour ought to define how one/you/everyone is expected to vote.
You implied you expect black people to vote a certain way. Why would you do that? Do you think all black people should think the same way?

Sounds like you've bought into the myth that being in a minority means you're also part of a group think community. Well, there's no such thing as "the black community" and thinking different from the likes of Dawn Butler or Sadiq Khunt doesn't make you a traitor, a coconut or an uncle tom.

Wrong, but you knew that, didn't you? I didn't imply anything of the sort, but you chose to take it that way deliberately, or you're just making assumptions about what I meant. It's instructive that you've chosen to interpret my post in the way that you have, but not surprising.

By the way, you are sooo funny with your Trumpian nickname for Sadiq Khan. Be still be aching sides. Stop it! Please! I can't take anymore....

Sadiq Khunt is a Khunt. You can't possibly rate the guy.
You said that "it was a surprise that someone had a different view of what you'd expect" how exactly would you EXPECT a black woman to vote?

[JAS]

Spoiler:

I'll give you that. One thing this illustrates is the utterly appalling journalism we all have to deal with these days.

Yes, absolutely. Mainstream media is complete garbage, packed with people who are unable to let their biases go and who write dangerous and misleading headlines. Unfortunately, some people can feed into that, through their own tribal biases and unwillingness to corroborate things themselves.

Many people, as Jas did, genuinely believe Trump told people to inject or drink bleach to cure covid, because they've been led astray by misleading mainstream media. Somewhat ironically, this causes more danger than Trump's original comments. And such lies were repeated by Biden at the last Presidential debate.

And we'll see more of this. Mainstream media gave Biden a ridiculously easy ride. Hardly any scrutiny whatsoever. But with Trump everything will be turned up to 11.

Misleading is NOT confined to mainstream media. Just take a look at some of the narratives coming out of the very people who would want us to shun mainstream media so they can afford their next spaceship. Seriously, the BBC has its faults but in a situation where the BBC says one thing and Musk says another who are you most likely to believe??

[super_realist]

Depends what they're talking about JAS.

For example the BBC had a catastrophic interview with Musk on scientific and technological issues, so I'd probably trust Musk on that, even though I can't stand the guy.
I also wouldn't trust the BBC on geopolitics given their flagrant support of Palestine and Hamas.
You probably also notice how badly informed the BBC are in regards to your own subject matter expertise related to your job, I certainly see it in mine, whilst they obsess over certain issues to the detriment of others.

I think the best thing to do is absorb media from a wide variety of sources, and be sceptical about them all, which is something most people don't do, and just want to remain in their echo chamber, which sorts of takes us back to the left wing melt down over Trump getting elected, they cannot take, like Brexit that people think differently to them, why is that if they claim to love democracy so much?

[McLaren]

Duty

Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

Detergent was clearly what he called bleach. Unless you think he was suggesting that people should inject fairy liquid?

In that clip you can hear him basically tell the doctor what they should be working on. Which is weird given that he is a moron. If you are not aware, when a politician, especially the president of the USA, starts making comments like that in public they are essentially ensuring that the relevant departments have to look into it. Whether or not that was the intention. Not even Trump could be so clueless as to not know what putting that sort of information out in public means.

In any case we are left wondering if suggesting the injection of fairy liquid rather than the drinking of bleach means Trump provided sound medical advice?

He wasn't *suggesting* that people should do anything. He was asking a medical person if there were a way to inject disinfectant inside a body, and he also asked if UV light was a solution.

But he did not recommend, suggest, or tell people to inject or drink bleach as a cure to covid.

Watch the clip in the link I posted. You would have to be beyond naïve to think Trumps words wouldn't have any consequences regarding the ingestion of bleach as a covid medication.

And even if we adopt your naive take that he was only spit balling ideas on how to treat covid it shows he is monumentally thick. You are not fit to be president if you think spouting your crazy ideas about medicine at an official press conference is a good idea.

[McLaren]

Depends what they're talking about JAS.

For example the BBC had a catastrophic interview with Musk on scientific and technological issues, so I'd probably trust Musk on that, even though I can't stand the guy.

By what measures was it catastrophic?

You probably also notice how badly informed the BBC are in regards to your own subject matter expertise related to your job, I certainly see it in mine, whilst they obsess over certain issues to the detriment of others.

Have the bbc ever reported figures on global warming that have not come from scientific consensus?

[super_realist]

Depends what they're talking about JAS.

For example the BBC had a catastrophic interview with Musk on scientific and technological issues, so I'd probably trust Musk on that, even though I can't stand the guy.

By what measures was it catastrophic?

You probably also notice how badly informed the BBC are in regards to your own subject matter expertise related to your job, I certainly see it in mine, whilst they obsess over certain issues to the detriment of others.

Have the bbc ever reported figures on global warming that have not come from scientific consensus?

Mac, The interview was an embarrassment for the BBC. I suggest you go and watch it again. The "journalist" was very poorly prepared.

In response to your second question, who said I was talking about global warming? I was talking about their reporting of issues on Oil and Gas and Renewables as that is my job. You've never said what your job is but I would hazard a guess they report on that from a position of simplicity and naivety too.

The trouble with the BBC as I see it is that it's so desperate to appeal to a younger demographic (and failing) that it focuses mainly on very narrow reporting of a few core subjects, mainly racism, climate, identity/gender politics as well as having an obsession with seemingly loving Islam.

[superflyweight]

Depends what they're talking about JAS.

For example the BBC had a catastrophic interview with Musk on scientific and technological issues, so I'd probably trust Musk on that, even though I can't stand the guy.

By what measures was it catastrophic?

You probably also notice how badly informed the BBC are in regards to your own subject matter expertise related to your job, I certainly see it in mine, whilst they obsess over certain issues to the detriment of others.

Have the bbc ever reported figures on global warming that have not come from scientific consensus?

Mac, The interview was an embarrassment for the BBC. I suggest you go and watch it again. The "journalist" was very poorly prepared.

In response to your second question, who said I was talking about global warming? I was talking about their reporting of issues on Oil and Gas and Renewables as that is my job. You've never said what your job is but I would hazard a guess they report on that from a position of simplicity and naivety too.

The trouble with the BBC as I see it is that it's so desperate to appeal to a younger demographic (and failing) that it focuses mainly on very narrow reporting of a few core subjects, mainly racism, climate, identity/gender politics as well as having an obsession with seemingly loving Islam.

Just watch ITN or something else - save yourself the stress.

[McLaren]

Super

If it's the same interview you are talking about then I think I see where you think Musk owned the bbc. The bit where the interviewer wouldn't provide an example of hate speech on twitter.

Do you think there is no hate speech on twitter or that the interviewer just hadn't prepared well enough? It's only really a win for Musk if it's actually true that there is no hate speech on twitter. Sadly data shows that hate speech increased after he took control.

[super_realist]

Super

If it's the same interview you are talking about then I think I see where you think Musk owned the bbc. The bit where the interviewer wouldn't provide an example of hate speech on twitter.

Do you think there is no hate speech on twitter or that the interviewer just hadn't prepared well enough? It's only really a win for Musk if it's actually true that there is no hate speech on twitter. Sadly data shows that hate speech increased after he took control.

I've never been on twitter Mac, so I don't know, this wasn't my point but I presume it's a sewer and I really think that people overreact to what is construed as hate speech anyway, don't you?
These days rather than something which could be for example an incitement to violence, it is now deemed to be anything in which the recipient claims to be "offensive" and as such I think that the vast majority of "hate speech" is most likely nothing of the sort and is simply someone's subjectivity at play and thus in those cases I simply don't care if someone is "offended" because the symptoms of offence are....... nothing, so who cares if you're offended?

People just say "that's offensive" as a way to try and end the discussion most of the time.
How many times have you genuinely been offended by something anyone has said to you? Hardly any I bet, yet online, people claim it all the time. It is really quite pathetic.

[McLaren]

Super

You have completely skirted round the issue. Is it really an own if the underlying point is true?

[super_realist]

Super

You have completely skirted round the issue. Is it really an own if the underlying point is true?

Mac, as stated I don't use twitter and never have so asking me about hate speech on it is irrelevant. That wasn't what I was talking about in regards to Musk and BBC anyway.

Do you agree that the bar for what is considered "hate speech" is very low and subjective and that offence taken from it is largely confected?
For example is it hate speech to state the scientific fact that a trans woman, isn't an actual woman? Surely you don't think it is being a man of science and evidence, yet if you say that "on twitter" I'm sure the militant trans activist would accuse you of hate speech, therefore is Twitter subject to more "hate speech" or are people now just hypersensitive and saying everything they disagree with is "hate speech". Much like the definition of poverty or woke, it has probably evolved to mean something different to what it was, so how do you measure something subjective?

[JAS]

Super

You have completely skirted round the issue. Is it really an own if the underlying point is true?

Mac, as stated I don't use twitter and never have so asking me about hate speech on it is irrelevant. That wasn't what I was talking about in regards to Musk and BBC anyway.

Do you agree that the bar for what is considered "hate speech" is very low and subjective and that offence taken from it is largely confected?
For example is it hate speech to state the scientific fact that a trans woman, isn't an actual woman? Surely you don't think it is being a man of science and evidence, yet if you say that "on twitter" I'm sure the militant trans activist would accuse you of hate speech, therefore is Twitter subject to more "hate speech" or are people now just hypersensitive and saying everything they disagree with is "hate speech". Much like the definition of poverty or woke, it has probably evolved to mean something different to what it was, so how do you measure something subjective?

The right have hijacked woke to mean something completely different from the original definition. As for poverty that actually IS a real thing and it means the same whether you’re from a left right or centre persuasion, the only difference on the right is that they don’t understand what it actually means and so they have no interest in trying to deal with it other than it’s an inconvenient side effect of the inexorable growth of greed.

Regarding the BBC (or ITN, C4 etc) they are and should be more trustworthy and truth “should” be the predetermining drive of their agenda. Can you really say the same about the misinformation spreaders of GBnews and other agenda’d outlets like Fox etc
That however is separate from the actual quality of their journalism. If we take the BBC sites golf coverage as an example… it is pretty shallow and dire. Their politics and economics offerings are not that great but if they were as bad as their golf coverage then yeah I may avoid them.

[super_realist]

Poverty has been constantly redefined in regards to  level and is also relative to the country and time you live in, therefore it doesn't mean the same thing. Similarly what is regarded "hate speech" is something which means different things to different people and is a subjective thing.
Poverty today is not the same as Gorbals or Dickensian levels of poverty, so it's a myth to say it's the same thing to everyone because it clearly isn't. Is a fat Brit living below the poverty line the same poverty as someone living in a bin in Haiti? It doesn't mean the same to everyone. Your idea of poverty as a 6 figure IT consultant is different from that of a peasant in Jaywick who has never had a job and lives in a rat infested, damp post war pre fab.
By the way, very rich of you to say its a right wing issue to ignore poverty when it is Robber Reid who has taken away winter fuel payments for pensioners.

As for impartiality, the likes of GB News are not required to be impartial, commercial operations are not required to be, the BBC is supposed to be impartial, yet even by it's own admissions it broke its own editorial standards 1500 times on the Gaza/Israel issue in favour of Gaza, and don't even get me started on  blatant bias by Jeremy Bowen for example who refused to apologise for claiming Israel bombed a Gaza hospital when it was in fact the other way around.  
BBC even broadcast prayers from Iran the other week. Reprehensible stuff and its new coverage is on John Craven's Newsround  level of journalism, made to appeal to simpletons.

[McLaren]

Super

Is there a way to report on what Israel is doing to Gaza without coming down on the side of Gaza?

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