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Post by KP_fan Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:46 pm

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wisden wrote:Another hundred for Kamindu Mendis! Averages 83 now in tests, 922 runs in 8 test matches!

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Post by msp83 Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:03 pm

Blundell or Latham? Think its the latter, the long-term deputy to Williamson. Latham was passed over for the top job when they appointed Southee. But Southee has been well short of his best in recent times, and someone like Matthew Henry is kept out of the side it has to be remembered. With Wagner retired and Boult not considered for tests, this is becoming the end of NZ's golden generation of quicks... Southee does have a decent record in India, and might as well start the first test, but he'll need a performence of note very soon to hold on to that position I feel.
William O'Rourke seems to be a find. Then there is Henry, not exactly a youngster but should have good miles in his legs yet. Will Jamieson end up like Cummins, or will it be another sad Shane Bond-like story in terms of injury ravaged career? Hope it is going to be the former.

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Post by Duty281 Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:01 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/10/08/champions-trophy-final-switch-india-pakistan/

Next year’s Champions Trophy final could be switched from Lahore to Dubai if India qualify, creating the possibility that there will be no certainty over the venue until days before the final.

But India have not played an international match in Pakistan since 2008. There is as yet no indication that the Indian government will relax their ban on touring Pakistan. As previously reported, there is a strong possibility that the ICC will ultimately find a different venue for India’s matches – including, if they advance that far, the final itself.

The final, on March 9, has been awarded to Lahore. But Telegraph Sport understands that alternative options are being informally considered in case India reach the final, with Dubai likely to be the new venue.

This scenario opens up the extraordinary scenario that the venue for the final will not be known until March 6, just three days before the final, depending on whether India qualify. Until then, two grounds would have to prepare to stage the final, with competing teams and match officials, media and fans alike unsure of the venue.

As well as India’s group games and potentially the final, a semi-final would also need to be staged outside Pakistan should India reach the final four. As well as Dubai, Abu Dhabi and potentially Sharjah also have the facilities to host games at late notice if needed.


What an absolute joke. Stop pandering to India. If they don't want to play in Pakistan, boot India out of the competition.

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Post by KP_fan Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:51 pm

India declare the same squad for the test series vs NZ as they had vs BD minus Yash Dayal would imply 3 spinners +2seamer composition.

Dayal released to play Ranji season that just started and did pretty well in first Round.

Bumrah made Vice Captain would imply he will play atleast 2 if not all 3 tests. He has been politely vocal in aspiring for test captaincy.

The appointment of VC is not a norm for home tests and becomes relevant now that Rohit has announced he will miss either T1 or T2 in Aus , presumably a baby on way for Mr & Mrs Rohit.

There are many equals in this test side in line for captaincy including Pant, Gill, Rahul & hence it's possible Bumrah might have asked for it to quash any doubts on first among equals.

Bumrah won't mind playing all 3 tests vs NZ as this is all that he plays until T1 in Australia.
In a 5 bowler combination on spin friendly pitches he will be bowled sparingly and will be more a heavy weapon insurance in case opposition starts running away than a stock bowler.
Axar will be the spinner to sit out.
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Post by KP_fan Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:46 pm

India's 297-6 vs BD today is by far the highest T20is score among major nations, beating Eng's 267 vs WI last year.

India's T20 team has shaped well inspite of many retirements post world cup......lots and lots of depth.
Test team is also balanced.....ODIs need to be optimized.
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Post by KP_fan Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:09 pm

Pitch at Bengaluru vs NZ for tomm's game.
Dry, Light brown, I think Red Soil underlying, slow turn but with reasonable bounce.
NZ has won only two tests in Indian first in 1969 & last in 1988 that's 36 years back
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Post by dummy_half Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:40 pm

KP_fan wrote:India declare the same squad for the test series  vs NZ as they had vs BD minus Yash Dayal would imply 3 spinners +2seamer composition.

Dayal released to play Ranji season that just started and did pretty well in first Round.

Bumrah made Vice Captain would imply he will play atleast 2 if not all 3 tests. He has been politely vocal in aspiring for test captaincy.

The appointment of VC is not a norm for home tests and becomes relevant now that Rohit has announced he will miss either T1 or T2 in Aus , presumably a baby on way for Mr & Mrs Rohit.

There are many equals in this test side in line for captaincy including Pant, Gill, Rahul & hence it's possible Bumrah might have asked for it to quash any doubts on first among equals.

Bumrah won't mind playing all 3 tests vs NZ as this is all that he plays until T1 in Australia.
In a 5 bowler combination on spin friendly pitches he will be bowled sparingly and will be more a heavy weapon insurance in case opposition starts running away than a stock bowler.

Axar will be the spinner to sit out.

I think Bumrah's rather unusual run-up and action make it a bit easier for him phisically than more conventional fast bowlers - doesn't have a hugely long or fast run up, and the effort he puts into each delivery comes more from the fluidity of movement than a 'throw yourself to the floor' effort like Mark Wood. I don't think it's an action you could possibly replicate with anyone else (I suspect Bumrah has some hypermobility in his shoulder or wrist to generate the pace and angle of delivery), but it certainly works for him. Wierdly, I have seen some people question the legality of his action, but of all the quick bowlers, he seems to me to have about the least observable flexing of the elbow during the delivery.

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Post by sirfredperry Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:55 pm

D'half.
I know they're far more lenient about bowling actions now than they were in the past. But to me Bumrah's deliveries look extremely dodgy.

But then I reckoned that Malinga, who had a straight arm action, actually threw as his arm was so low that his deliveries became chucks. Indeed you sometimes see fielders who want to get the ball back to the keeper as quickly as possible doing those below-the-shoulder round-arm throws a la Malinga.

Tony Lock had a slingy action and they reckoned he threw his fast yorker ball. Indeed he was called for chucking and went away and remodelled his action.

Difficult to judge Bumrah on today's throwing interpretations. But I reckon that in years gone by he would have been called. Of recent England bowlers, Steve Finn's action always looked a bit questionable to me, but all this may just be me not understanding the new guidelines.

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Post by KP_fan Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:09 pm

sirfredperry wrote:D'half.
I know they're far more lenient about bowling actions now than they were in the past. But to me Bumrah's deliveries look extremely dodgy.

But then I reckoned that Malinga, who had a straight arm action, actually threw as his arm was so low that his deliveries became chucks. Indeed you sometimes see fielders who want to get the ball back to the keeper as quickly as possible doing those below-the-shoulder round-arm throws a la Malinga.

Tony Lock had a slingy action and they reckoned he threw his fast yorker ball. Indeed he was called for chucking and went away and remodelled his action.

Difficult to judge Bumrah on today's throwing interpretations. But I reckon that in years gone by he would have been called. Of recent England bowlers, Steve Finn's action always looked a bit questionable to me, but all this may just be me not understanding the new guidelines.

Chucking is most commonly known as throwing a ball, which happens when the bowler straightens his arm while throwing the ball. The action is considered illegal, and the ball is deemed to be illegitimate. The rule against chucking relates to bending the arm at the elbow. The extent of bending the arm has recently been codified by the ICC, which permits flexing the elbow to a maximum of 15 degrees.

On rules for Chucking today or in any era, I doubt if Bumrah could be ever called
In Italics is the law for chucking which in simple terms means bowlers today should not bend his elbow more than 15deg.
In earlier eras the rule was same in principle but subject to naked eye judgement & no objective degree of flexing stated.

Bumrah is on the other side of chucking i.e he does not bend his elbow at-all....hyper-extends the bolt straight arm.
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Post by GSC Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:59 pm

Smith back down to 4 then as Green on the long term mend. Next year's ashes looks a final stop for a lot of a very old Aussie side
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Post by KP_fan Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:05 pm

On the anticipated Border-Gavaskar Trophy

It's clear Smith will go back to No. 4 and Aussies are reportedly looking at a brilliant new 19 year old named Sam Konstans  to open who has been thrown in Aus A squad also with Bancroft and Marcus Harris.
Cameron Green is out for a year which seals Mitch Marsh's spot  & allows Aus selectors to have a look at one of many all rounder  they have....Beau Webster who has plenty of  FC experience and appears like late Andrew Symonds type all-rounder..is the latest they are trying in the A test match
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Post by KP_fan Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:43 am

After lengthy consultations with Cricket Australia medical staff over the past two weeks following the initial injury in the UK on September 24, Green is set to follow the same path that Jason Behrendorff, James Pattinson, Ben Dwarshuis and New Zealand quicks Shane Bond and Matt Henry have taken by having screws and a titanium cable fused into his lower back to stabilise the stress fracture and prevent future occurrences.

That's one career that is facing a serious set-back even before it really took off....opens opportunity for Hardy & Webster if Marsh cannot bowl


Meanwhile, Beau Webster was the undisputed player of the Sheffield Shield last summer, accumulating 938 runs at 58.62 and 30 wickets at 29.30.
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Post by alfie Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:57 am

KP_fan wrote:On the anticipated Border-Gavaskar Trophy

It's clear Smith will go back to No. 4 and Aussies are reportedly looking at a brilliant new 19 year old named Sam Konstans  to open who has been thrown in Aus A squad also with Bancroft and Marcus Harris.
Cameron Green is out for a year which seals Mitch Marsh's spot  & allows Aus selectors to have a look at one of many all rounder  they have....Beau Webster who has plenty of  FC experience and appears like late Andrew Symonds type all-rounder..is the latest they are trying in the A test match

Lot of fuss around this new lad - and he's been making some impressive runs. But my feeling is they are more likely to go with Bancroft or Harris , at least for a start.

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Post by Duty281 Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:56 am

Three test series between India and NZ starts tomorrow in the early hours. NZ aiming to come back from the hammering in SL, but it's an Everest like task in front of them.

First test has a lot of rain forecast. So much rain in fact that the draw is an odds-on favourite.

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Post by KP_fan Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:31 pm

It's drizzling,  ground drying facilities are superior to what was in last test in Kanpur.
Prospects of rain stopage not good.
Watching the other game in Multan,  also quite interesting
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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:51 am

No rain, early start, a bit dark but they have done the commonsensical thing of starting play under lights.
Pitch might be a bit damp being under covers but is grassless and cracked.
Gill has a crocked neck and Sarfaraz replaces him.
Kuldeep the 3rd spinner for Akash.

Ind won the toss, batting first, there should be early movement
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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:13 am

Ball is hooping around, rohit struggling to put bat to ball
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:13 am

Matt Henry couldn't believe Rohit survived that lbw review...neither could I to be honest , looked stone dead live ; and if the on field call had gone otherwise the batsman could have had no complaints.

NZ need to use this early life and get some wickets...

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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:24 am

Rohit gone anyway.. Southee leaving no argument by clipping the top of his stumps. 9/1 and batting anything but easy.

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:33 am

alfie wrote:Rohit gone anyway.. Southee leaving no argument by clipping the top of his stumps. 9/1 and batting anything but easy.

For now pitch, overhead, spiced by lights are making this like a seaming english first morning
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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:36 am

Kohli goes for a 9 ball, blob, conditions are hostile for batting against seam bowling.
Pitch will eventually ease and spin....how much damage will India suffer before getting to that eased zone
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:37 am

And now Kohli gone for a duck , caught low at leg gully. 9/2 Jaiswal struggling to survive. Even losing a day , this match might have some life.

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:39 am

10-3
sarfaraz throws is away
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:39 am

Three now...terrific catch Conway and Sarfaraz also departs for zero...10/3 as Pant arrives...

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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:40 am

Can't see Pant being too passive . .but taking the bowlers on in this situation might be very dangerous

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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:59 am

Here comes the rain....India will be delighted to get off the field at a perilous 13/3 . Convenient timing to get back in time for the start in Multan...

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:06 pm

It was bowl first conditions and it starts to rain in Bangalore as the game starts in Multan
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:29 pm

33/5 now as Jaiswal and Rahul have both fallen to O'Rourke. In big trouble.

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:46 pm

India was bolwed out for 83 in 1999 vs NZ at seaming Mohali but delivered a 500+ to win the game
Something like that would be required to come out of this hole

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-tour-of-india-1999-00-62133/india-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-63848/full-scorecard
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Post by VTR Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:59 pm

What a start from NZ! The internet knives will no doubt be out for Kohli, despite no one else actually making any runs

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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:08 pm

Ball was doing amazing things...and the Kiwi catching was pretty good too . India going to want something special from Pant when they resume

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Post by Duty281 Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:10 pm

Wow, that's a shocking scorecard! Seems like a South African pitch, not an Indian one!

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:22 pm

39-8
What a collosal mistake to choose to bat first
On a damp pitch, overcast skies and underlights
They thought they would ride out 2 tough hours and then pitch would ease.
Having 3 spinners influenced their decision.

But
2 hours proving 2 hours too many
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:34 pm

42/9 now... 5 ducks so the local restaurants should be well serviced...

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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:56 pm

All out 46. Shades of that 36 in Australia....When India fold up , they do it in style Wink

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Post by Duty281 Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:56 pm

Only following on Cricinfo, but NZ have breezed past India's total with no wickets down.

Maybe not an absolute demon? Certainly a huge upset on the cards if the rain stays away.

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:59 pm

Indian seamers tried too hard, slips did not catch and no spin yet.
They have to take it easy and play normally instead of trying too hard.
can't dismiss NZ for 100.....aim for 250...slow thrm down, hope for rain and then bat big 2nd inning
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:06 pm

Conway going at run a ball forty odd ? Unusual... Surely NZ should take a real grip on this after the start they have.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:Only following on Cricinfo, but NZ have breezed past India's total with no wickets down.

Maybe not an absolute demon? Certainly a huge upset on the cards if the rain stays away.

Reminiscent of Trent Bridge 2015 so far...
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Post by VTR Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:16 pm

I only just realised that India won the toss and batted. Fair to say they didn't quite cash in on that one

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:51 pm

India tried too hard to take wicket, dropped catches, had DRS's overturned, half chances that should have stuck on another day.... and in all of this conceded too many runs.

There is spin in the pitch already on D1, some bounce and and getting NZ for 250 would have been possible had India been disciplined.
Still under 300 is possible
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Post by alfie Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:37 pm

Hard to see India coming back if they end up trailing by 250. Will be regretting the choice at the toss !

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Post by KP_fan Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:19 pm

alfie wrote:Hard to see India coming back if they end up trailing by 250. Will be regretting the choice at the toss !

True
very hard to see routes to return from here. Rain is in the air and might help with a draw if India bat big and bat time in 2nd inning
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Post by sirfredperry Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:08 am

Have India had a worse first day in a home Test?

Also, NZ were ahead in no time at all. Just wondered what the fewest overs played before a side batting second takes the lead. Must have been one of the quickest today.

Not only Nottingham in 2015 but also Melbourne in 2010-11 sprang to mind today.

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Post by alfie Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:39 am

Upsets galore in the Women's T20 WC. First India , then England , out in the group stage : now Australia knocked out (in fact absolutely slaughtered ) by SA in their semi final.

SA ( who only lost one game, fairly narrowly to England in the group) are eyeing a first WC triumph - and we won't mention the "C" word Smile

They will face either West Indies or NZ who had earlier eliminated the other "giants". Bit of a first for the Women's game with none of the big three involved at the death.

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Post by KP_fan Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:53 am

Pitch is spinning this morning just a bit but it's sharp with zip off the pitch ...red soil as opposed to slow turner black.
NZ are 6 down.
Pant's knee is swollen being hit on the knee cap surgery of which had kept him out.
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Post by KP_fan Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:02 pm

7 down now.
India panicked and tried too hard yesterday and m fluffed many chances , else with their bowling restricting NZ to below 200 was possible
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Post by alfie Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:19 pm

250 up...still 7 down Ravindra going well on 57

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Post by KP_fan Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:44 pm

Rachin clever snd skillful taking game far beyond even any miracle return
A step or two ahead of India all the time

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Post by KP_fan Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:56 pm

Rohit and his team has frozen under.thr assault.from Rachin
Pitch has a lot for spinners, just very skillfull attack
Witj morale such down, innings defeat beckons
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Post by KP_fan Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:09 pm

Once the opposition starts going at this Indian team against the expected script, they do not have the mental strength to encounter it on their feet...examples

Oval test Eng chasing 378
Pope's assault in T1
Eng's assault in T20 semis 2022
Aus / Head's assault in final of 50over world cup

This game is gone.....Ind were impetious, impatient, panicked and tried too hard and then gave up
with a clear mind back to T2, with 12 WTC points lost
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