Usyk v Tyson

Who is going to win the upcoming rematch of Usyk and Tyson? Is anyone interested? There has been very little news about the fight. I just wondered what the Forum members thought. I obviously would like Usyk to repeat his well deserved win of a few months ago, and can't see any reason why he shouldn't. Tyson says he fooled about in the first fight and gave the fight to Usyk. I don't think he could have done any thing different. Hope to hear your thoughts.

Tyson definitely did fool about a bit in the first fight, but Usyk outclassed him regardless. Don't know what was going through his mind then, unless very early on in the fight, he realised Usyk was going to be too much for him, and tried to shirk it off just by playing at bravado.

If he has trained properly for the rematch, and been as focused as he was for Wilder 2 (not saying he should necessarily fight the same way as that fight, but he may have more of a chance doing do), then it should be a much closer fight.

Personally, Rapids, I believe that Fury wasn’t that confident of winning the first fight. Putting down Usyk so much was his way of blustering through. It’s a fairly obvious  observation that -a, he has mobility issues, and b, he can’t make weight much below 19 stone.

I can’t see Usyk allowing himself to being manhandled and am a hundred percent convinced that he (Usyk) believes he will find the knockout reasonably quickly.

He’s one of those guys, such as Calzaghe, who will dig deep to find a way to win. His boxing iq is superior- he’s got a lot of info stored upstairs on Fury now. As for TF well he’s being enabled, as usual, with the thought that all he has to do is be ‘gung  ho, grrrr!’ and crack the guy a good un. What planet do  people like Dominic Ingle live on, and how are they seen as authorative voices? People are bending over backwards -including Lennox Lewis- to say “oh, he just needs to come in lighter/heavier…he came close in the first, just needs a few adjustments” etc…

Sorry but the guy who beat Wlad is long gone, and I don’t think he’s near his peak aggressive mode of Wilder 2.

His clowning around was a way of trying to con the observers that he was doing much that is useful in those early rounds against Usyk. I know you like 70s heavy era, Rapids, and my guess is that he thought he would take a leaf out of Ali’s book, all that shaking his head to infer that he’s not hurt  is so transparent. Maybe I’m biased but I give Fury three rounds ,four at best, from that first fight. Now he knows he can’t win a mind-game against Usyk, as I stated here eight months ago, he looks like a guy who has embraced his dark side and is simply spouting nonsense with no twinkle in his eye because he  is a deflated and demoralised bully who knows that the other guy has his number.
Should Usyk get put down we can rest assured that he’s getting up again.
Aside from a knockout I can’t see any advantage whatsoever for Fury and no way for him to win!

I've just noticed that I've put Tyson instead of Fury in the heading, another sign that I'm getting old. I've also found out that I can't get my leg over on a motor bike.

I know exactly how you feel...Not that i have a motorbike, negotiating a push bike only. I can do it just about, in a John Wayne kind of way. The hip replacement's only a matter of time.

I think that's why I can spot a fellow sufferer in decrepitude such as Tyson (or is it Luke?)

I had a hip replacement 21 years ago Derek and had motor bike up to 10 years ago when number one son made me an offer that I couldn't refuse with the promise I could use it whenever I went to visit him. The problem was, he moved to the South Island, an Air trip away.

John Fury apparently being kept out of the corner for the rematch.

That’s great news for Tyson.

The Furys should be kept away from as much as possible for as long as possible for the benefit of everybody else.

Usyk wins 116-112 on all three judges scorecards.

I scored it a draw, but a few rounds were very tight, so I'd have no complaints whichever way the result fell. I think Usyk's a more deserving winner as he landed the better shots and showed his class down the stretch. Fury started well, but seemed to struggle with the extra weight, unsurprisingly, in the second half. Fury was a lot smarter than the first fight and clinched and tied up more, using his weight advantage to maul, and he was a lot filthier as well with a number of rabbit punches and low blows.

Warren was spitting about the scorecards, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I was surprised all three judges went the same way. Very rare to see. Was expecting a split.

Not sure where either fighter goes now. Usyk has beaten everyone worth beating in the HW division and can retire with a tremendous legacy. A second Dubois fight is perhaps the most likely option if he doesn't retire. Not sure of the value of a trilogy fight with Usyk leading 2-0. Fury should retire, I think, but if he goes on then a tear up with AJ at Wembley is the obvious choice.

Fury came in fat, presumably to try walk Usyk down but it didn't work because it turns out 281lbs of lard doesn't mean the same when your opponent doesn't have sticks for legs. Also it meant he had no juice in the second half of the fight. Without seeing the cards, I'd bet good money the judges either had a shutout or 5-1 in the second half and it's because Fury ate straight lefts in the last 30 seconds every single round because he couldn't sustain it for a full three minutes.

Duty281 wrote:Usyk wins 116-112 on all three judges scorecards.

I scored it a draw, but a few rounds were very tight, so I'd have no complaints whichever way the result fell. I think Usyk's a more deserving winner as he landed the better shots and showed his class down the stretch. Fury started well, but seemed to struggle with the extra weight, unsurprisingly, in the second half. Fury was a lot smarter than the first fight and clinched and tied up more, using his weight advantage to maul, and he was a lot filthier as well with a number of rabbit punches and low blows.

Warren was spitting about the scorecards, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I was surprised all three judges went the same way. Very rare to see. Was expecting a split.

Not sure where either fighter goes now. Usyk has beaten everyone worth beating in the HW division and can retire with a tremendous legacy. A second Dubois fight is perhaps the most likely option if he doesn't retire. Not sure of the value of a trilogy fight with Usyk leading 2-0. Fury should retire, I think, but if he goes on then a tear up with AJ at Wembley is the obvious choice.

I had Fury winning that by UD. Could have seen it being Fury by split decision, but didn't see Usyk having done enough to win that, and certainly not by that margin.

Good move from Fury to leave the ring rather than hanging around for the interview or he probably would have ended up in some serious trouble.

Noble-Surfer wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Usyk wins 116-112 on all three judges scorecards.

I scored it a draw, but a few rounds were very tight, so I'd have no complaints whichever way the result fell. I think Usyk's a more deserving winner as he landed the better shots and showed his class down the stretch. Fury started well, but seemed to struggle with the extra weight, unsurprisingly, in the second half. Fury was a lot smarter than the first fight and clinched and tied up more, using his weight advantage to maul, and he was a lot filthier as well with a number of rabbit punches and low blows.

Warren was spitting about the scorecards, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I was surprised all three judges went the same way. Very rare to see. Was expecting a split.

Not sure where either fighter goes now. Usyk has beaten everyone worth beating in the HW division and can retire with a tremendous legacy. A second Dubois fight is perhaps the most likely option if he doesn't retire. Not sure of the value of a trilogy fight with Usyk leading 2-0. Fury should retire, I think, but if he goes on then a tear up with AJ at Wembley is the obvious choice.

I had Fury winning that by UD. Could have seen it being Fury by split decision, but didn't see Usyk having done enough to win that, and certainly not by that margin.

Good move from Fury to leave the ring rather than hanging around for the interview or he probably would have ended up in some serious trouble.

Mate I don't wanna question your knowledge, but how exactly can you have a fighter winning a fight by unanimous decision? And once you have it by unanimously decision, how can you "see it being Fury by split decision"? That's like saying you could see the coin landing on heads once out of three times, but it's outrageous that it happened two out of three

Noble-Surfer wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Usyk wins 116-112 on all three judges scorecards.

I scored it a draw, but a few rounds were very tight, so I'd have no complaints whichever way the result fell. I think Usyk's a more deserving winner as he landed the better shots and showed his class down the stretch. Fury started well, but seemed to struggle with the extra weight, unsurprisingly, in the second half. Fury was a lot smarter than the first fight and clinched and tied up more, using his weight advantage to maul, and he was a lot filthier as well with a number of rabbit punches and low blows.

Warren was spitting about the scorecards, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I was surprised all three judges went the same way. Very rare to see. Was expecting a split.

Not sure where either fighter goes now. Usyk has beaten everyone worth beating in the HW division and can retire with a tremendous legacy. A second Dubois fight is perhaps the most likely option if he doesn't retire. Not sure of the value of a trilogy fight with Usyk leading 2-0. Fury should retire, I think, but if he goes on then a tear up with AJ at Wembley is the obvious choice.

I had Fury winning that by UD. Could have seen it being Fury by split decision, but didn't see Usyk having done enough to win that, and certainly not by that margin.

Good move from Fury to leave the ring rather than hanging around for the interview or he probably would have ended up in some serious trouble.

It wasn't even close, Usyk by clear and comfortable decision. There is no way you can score that fight to Fury.

….I’m confused…

I didn't watch it this time because I tire of the mandatory rematch clauses.  It gets a bit Big Daddy/Giant Haystacks these days.

Still glad Usyk won.  I don’t like heavyweight champions having more flab than me.

Mochyn du wrote:I didn't watch it this time because I tire of the mandatory rematch clauses.  It gets a bit Big Daddy/Giant Haystacks these days.

Still glad Usyk won.  I don’t like heavyweight champions having more flab than me.

Fury looks a bit like Big Daddy. And his real name of Shirley Crabtree is reminiscent of Tyson Fury’s real name of Luke Partridge. Was more of a Kendo Nagasaki fan myself.

I’m pleased Usyk won, and Fury is welcome to make a few more bucks in WWF which is his natural home.
The Joshua fight is nailed-on, though,sadly.

Honestly, I can't believe Fury went three months without speaking to his wife to look like that. What was he doing in camp? The only reason the fight was even noteworthy, was because Usyk was 60lbs lighter, so there's always going to be a physical disadvantage to overcome. His tank was shot, he looked cumbersome, he had every punch around the midriff looked like a wave. I just can't believe he went into this apparently amazing camp to come out like that. If boxing refs ever did their jobs, he might have been pinged for anything between the excessive holding, hitting low and backhands.

Daniel duBois wrecks him if this is how he's gonna look moving forward, and I think AJ might too.

Judges Scorecards  Usyk-Fury

Rnd Judge1.. Judge2.... Judge3.... AI Judge
01) 09-10..... 09-10..... 10-09..... 10-10
02) 10-09..... 10-09..... 09-10..... 09-10
03) 10-09..... 09-10..... 10-09..... 10-09
04) 09-10..... 09-10..... 09-10..... 10-09
05) 09-10..... 09-10..... 09-10..... 09-10
06) 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09
07) 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09
08) 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09
09) 10-09..... 10-09..... 09-10..... 10-09
10) 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09
11) 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-09
12) 09-10..... 10-09..... 10-09..... 10-10

TT) 116-112. 116-112.. 116-112. 118-112

So
Judge1 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 04, 05, 12 and losing all the rest.
Judge2 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 03, 04, 05 and losing all the rest.
Judge3 had Fury winning four rounds: 02, 04, 05, 09 and losing all the rest.

AI-Judge had Fury winning two rounds: 02, 05, drawing two rounds 01, 12 and losing all the rest.

I'm not quite sure what the reasonably-sized minority who had Fury winning that were watching. I thought 116-112 across the board was pretty sound scoring.

Fury was absolutely atrocious, given what was on the line and his career pedigree to this point. His meek performance only lends credence to the theory that his 281 lb frame was down to his fire for the sport simply having gone out, rather than any plans to really put it on Usyk and implement that rough housing or inside work which has vanished from his game.

In terms of clean punching and effective aggressiveness, it was Usyk's night clearly, for me. I got the feeling that he could have stepped it up a gear if he'd needed to, but it was all such a damp squib that even he seemed pretty underwhelmed by it all compared to his usual self.

The PR men will do their best to paint this as an improved performance by Fury, and indicator that he's still near the top of his game etc. on the basis of him avoiding getting clarted all over the ring like he did in the ninth last time, but he did more decent work rounds 4 to 7 in that first fight than he did in the entirety of last night.

88Chris05 wrote:I'm not quite sure what the reasonably-sized minority who had Fury winning that were watching. I thought 116-112 across the board was pretty sound scoring.

Fury was absolutely atrocious, given what was on the line and his career pedigree to this point. His meek performance only lends credence to the theory that his 281 lb frame was down to his fire for the sport simply having gone out, rather than any plans to really put it on Usyk and implement that rough housing or inside work which has vanished from his game.

In terms of clean punching and effective aggressiveness, it was Usyk's night clearly, for me. I got the feeling that he could have stepped it up a gear if he'd needed to, but it was all such a damp squib that even he seemed pretty underwhelmed by it all compared to his usual self.

The PR men will do their best to paint this as an improved performance by Fury, and indicator that he's still near the top of his game etc. on the basis of him avoiding getting clarted all over the ring like he did in the ninth last time, but he did more decent work rounds 4 to 7 in that first fight than he did in the entirety of last night.

Judges can't win........I had it 7-5 Usyk.  Gave Fury 3 out of the first 6 and the 8th or was it 9th ?? and gave him a close one I forget which one to be nice to him.  The consensus has Usyk winning probably by two or three.

All four judges gave Usyk it by 8-4...........What is wrong with that ???.  One round difference from the consensus.

Hearn and Warren have an interest in it being a draw or a Fury win because two losers in Fury-AJ is a harder sell without a contentious decision.

As Chris says it was Usyk that won.....

rapidringsroad wrote:I've just noticed that I've put Tyson instead of Fury in the heading, another sign that I'm getting old. I've also found out that I can't get my leg over.

changed it for you.

No name Bertie wrote:.....
Judge1 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 04, 05, 12 and losing all the rest.
Judge2 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 03, 04, 05 and losing all the rest.
Judge3 had Fury winning four rounds: 02, 04, 05, 09 and losing all the rest....

Analysis of Judges1-3 scorecards:
a) At least one of the Judges had Fury winning rounds:  01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 09, 12  so that could have led to a score of 115-113 in Fury's favour.

b) At least one of the Judges had Usyk winning rounds:  .... except 04, 05 so that could have led to a score of 118-110 in Usyk's favour.

c) A majority of the Judges had Fury winning rounds 01, 04, 05 and Usyk winning the rest for a majority score of 117-111 in Usyk's favour.

No name Bertie wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:.....
Judge1 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 04, 05, 12 and losing all the rest.
Judge2 had Fury winning four rounds: 01, 03, 04, 05 and losing all the rest.
Judge3 had Fury winning four rounds: 02, 04, 05, 09 and losing all the rest....

Analysis of Judges1-3 scorecards:
a) At least one of the Judges had Fury winning rounds:  01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 09, 12  so that could have led to a score of 115-113 in Fury's favour.

b) At least one of the Judges had Usyk winning rounds:  .... except 04, 05 so that could have led to a score of 118-110 in Usyk's favour.

c) A majority of the Judges had Fury winning rounds 01, 04, 05 and Usyk winning the rest for a majority score of 117-111 in Usyk's favour.

Wish all the guys on here all the best for the festivities and the new year..

If you look at this fight I think nobody really sees it as a robbery only the hyperbolic.....However give the decision to Fury and I think people would see a robbery.

Tells you the right man won. Thought it was by 2 rounds but the Judges were close enough to avoid this unwanted crap and they all pretty much saw the same thing. I'll take these judges everytime. Yes Fury won the 8th or 9th but so what??. You can't get every round right.

Take care and see you in the new year hopefully.

I couldn't understand the complaints about the cards.  Most agreed that a lot of rounds were close and most agreed that Usyk won. But the judges of a close fight giving a fighter one more round than you thought is suddenly a disgrace. Very odd.

I listened to the fight 'old school' on 5 Live and survived Ron McIntosh's super-enthusiastic, but marmite commentary
I like Ron and he's good on radio, but he tends to try and recap a guy's ring record/titles every round, and nearly everyone tuned-in knows these two guys CVs.

George Groves and Ant Crolla on mid-round punditry, were making a case for Tyson nicking it, but both of them were balanced enough to admit it could easily go Usyk's way. And especially as Usyk had the belts and Fury simply needed to be just a little more dominant in the rounds where both men had some success.

Having now watched the fight, I felt Usyk won it and it was more of case of Team Fury feeling miffed it was all three judges, and someone did not call a draw.

Looking ahead I am not sure there's a dire need/desire for Fury-Usyk 3, but then again the Saudis appear to have a Himalayan mountain of dollars to burn on hosting HW title fights and could make it very much worthwhile for both men.

I'd prefer to see Dubois back-in with Usyk, he got Usyk unsettled last time they met and Daniel has got considerably better in the meantime. Dubois has the power-shots to put Usyk over and chuck the whole fight in the mixer, whereas Tyson's more patient-probing style against such a very good technician just always falls short.

Dubois versus Usyk is my wish-list fight for 2025, plus seeing what Fabio Wardley can do next.

This new crop of British heavyweights looks better than what’s just been, best British crop ever. If it were humanely possible, I’d like to see Dubois/Moses to get Usyk or Usyk/Dubois rematch. Usyk will need Moses to become an atg I feel sure, that’s if he beats Dubois which is a great rematch on account of Dubois’ colossal improvement under Charles(trainer of the year?) But why would anyone want to fight Moses Itauma unless they had to? Chuck in Martin and Fabio Wardley, we should be entertained the next couple of years. Kanbayel/Zhang next up that’s a good fight too

Herman Jaeger wrote:This new crop of British heavyweights looks better than what’s just been, best British crop ever. If it were humanely possible, I’d like to see Dubois/Moses to get Usyk or Usyk/Dubois rematch. Usyk will need Moses to become an atg I feel sure, that’s if he beats Dubois which is a great rematch on account of Dubois’ colossal improvement under Charles(trainer of the year?) But why would anyone want to fight Moses Itauma unless they had to? Chuck in Martin and Fabio Wardley, we should be entertained the next couple of years. Kanbayel/Zhang next up that’s a good fight too

Moses Itauma is a nobody at the moment; Usyk beating him does nothing for his legacy whatsoever, it's akin to Riddick Bowe beating Jorge Gonzalez.

If Fury wants to add to his legacy he should fight Dubois, prime fighters is always how we judge records

If he wants to add to his bank balance, Joshua

Tyson Fury announces another retirement on a social media post:

"The 36-year-old British heavyweight posted a brief video on Instagram on Monday in which he said: "I would like to announce my retirement from boxing.

It's been a blast. I've loved every single minute of it and I'm going to end with this - Dick Turpin wore a mask."

So the sports hacks are pondering over the meaning of the Dick Turpin comment:
a) Tyson Fury has been a fraud and made hundreds of millions of pounds from the system. Fraud in the sense that he was an all time great and as good as he claimed to be.
b) Tyson Fury claiming to be a victim over the results of his last fight with Usyk.

Going to be interesting to see whether this TF retirement actually sticks Bertie.....or whether it is just another 'gap year' for him.

Fury is far from daft in my opinion and he may just rest-up and see if Dubois can get a fight with Usyk in 2025, and turn the trick.
A fight with Dubois would be a natural, make him a fortune and if he won (not inconceivable) he'd finish-up top of the pile.

I have an inkling this might be Fury calling time on Usyk rather than fighting....and that makes sense because Usyk genuinely has his number.
Plus Fury-Usyk 3 is not what the world is waiting for, even with an absolute pile of Saudi petro-dollars thrown at the fighters and the marketing.

Fairly confident that Fury will return if there's a huge fight he fancies and Usyk is also not getting any younger, he might get taken down.