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Post by HitmanOwl on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 5:34 pm

Many have been mentioned but one that hasn't been is



JESUS NAVAS!


Surprised nobody has been linked yet with him..electric winger which can play both sides,plays for Seville.


Thoughts?

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Post by Crimey on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 5:46 pm

I think he suffers from serious homesickness, and has pulled out of Spain squads before because of this which pretty much rules him out of a move to us. I might be thinking of somebody else though, pretty sure it's Navas.

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Post by Fernando on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 7:08 pm

no that's him he gets homesick

id try for adam johnson from city evening jarvis or vargas( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is1LjLkUV5A) would be good buys

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Post by Kay Fabe on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 8:06 pm

This is a very low key shout but with his pace and delivery I've always thought Matthew Ethrington would be a great signing for a team with a target man

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Post by AberdeenSteve on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 8:15 pm

I've always rated Etherington as a play. He has the technical ability but he is also a hell of a hard worker. He'd be a cracking signing for any team in the PL in my opinion.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 8:30 pm

More so a top end team, with a target like Carroll I think he'd be a great signing for Liverpool

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Post by liverbnz on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 9:46 pm

Downing is the top target, failing that N'zogbia.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 10:50 pm

Downing is an overrated dud and N'Zogbia didn't turn into a player until he got moved from the wing

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Post by westisbest on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 12:06 pm

Downing is a good player, thats why McLeish's first job is to keep him.
With Young looking set to leave, we cant afford to lose both.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 12:19 pm

Don't rate Downing at all, never have, you can count the number of good games he has had on your fingers

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Post by VDT on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 12:43 pm

I'd go for Matt Jarvis over Downing, i've never rated Downing
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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 12:49 pm

I like the cut of the lad Jarvis, very pacey and direct and never lets the head go down

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 12:55 pm

Jarvis seem to have lost form for the last 6 months.

Its true about Jesus Navas and homesickness so we can safety rule that one out.

My two big wish signings would be Juan Mata for a winger and Juan Manual Vargas as a left back.

Wishful I know

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Post by westisbest on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:07 pm

Downing was quality last season.

Be delighted if we keep hold of him next season.

Jarvis is good to.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:08 pm

I'm not a fan of Mata, I saw him twice against Rangers and twice he struggled and didn't like the physical side

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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:17 pm

the-gaffer wrote:Don't rate Downing at all, never have, you can count the number of good games he has had on your fingers

Rubbish. Arguably Villa's best player last season and had matured into a player who can play all across the midfield. Doesn't need to rely on his pace to beat a man and there isn't too many have better delivery in the PL. Especially dangerous if crossing onto the head of Andy Carrol.

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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:19 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Jarvis seem to have lost form for the last 6 months.

Its true about Jesus Navas and homesickness so we can safety rule that one out.

My two big wish signings would be Juan Mata for a winger and Juan Manual Vargas as a left back.

Wishful I know

Mata isn't a winger. He plays through the middle for both club and country.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:24 pm

You've got a cheek to pull someone up for Mata not being a winger when you said N'Zogbia who played just of the striker all season, as for your assessment of Downing, if thats the standard you judge a winger then I can't see the point in trying to understand your logic

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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 1:38 pm

the-gaffer wrote:You've got a cheek to pull someone up for Mata not being a winger when you said N'Zogbia who played just of the striker all season, as for your assessment of Downing, if thats the standard you judge a winger then I can't see the point in trying to understand your logic

Where did I say N'zogbia was a winger? And even if I did would I be wrong?

As for the rest of your post, I'll judge a player by anyway I see fit, just as I'm sure Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comoli will do. "you could the number of good games he's had on one hand". What sort of half-cooked misinformed opinion is that? Is it supposed to be fact? How about you give me some analysis of why you think Downing is 'over-rated', instead of some worn out cliches?

I'll give you a head-start - good on the ball, good first touch, excellent delivery, decent but not frightening pace and generally works his bottom off.

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Post by ReallyReal on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 2:04 pm

N'zogbia is definitely a winger, as a Latics fan I see him often enough to know this, he's more of a dribbler and doesn't cross much though, but this may just be because we haven't had a striker worthy of League 1, never mind the PL for quite a while, so why bother putting the ball into the middle?

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Post by westisbest on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 3:16 pm

I have to agree with liverbnz.

Downing was top class for us last season.

Your comment about that you could count on your fingers how many good games he had last season is way off.

Our player of the season, scored some good goals to.

Quality player Downing, really hope he stays.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 3:21 pm

liverbnz wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Jarvis seem to have lost form for the last 6 months.

Its true about Jesus Navas and homesickness so we can safety rule that one out.

My two big wish signings would be Juan Mata for a winger and Juan Manual Vargas as a left back.

Wishful I know

Mata isn't a winger. He plays through the middle for both club and country.

Can play any atacking mid left, right and centre kiss

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 3:38 pm

liverbnz wrote:
the-gaffer wrote:You've got a cheek to pull someone up for Mata not being a winger when you said N'Zogbia who played just of the striker all season, as for your assessment of Downing, if thats the standard you judge a winger then I can't see the point in trying to understand your logic

Where did I say N'zogbia was a winger? And even if I did would I be wrong?

As for the rest of your post, I'll judge a player by anyway I see fit, just as I'm sure Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comoli will do. "you could the number of good games he's had on one hand". What sort of half-cooked misinformed opinion is that? Is it supposed to be fact? How about you give me some analysis of why you think Downing is 'over-rated', instead of some worn out cliches?

I'll give you a head-start - good on the ball, good first touch, excellent delivery, decent but not frightening pace and generally works his bottom off.
Where did you say N'Zogbia was a winger, well the title of the article is clearly about wingers and your first contribution was his name, as for your stroke about my opinion of Downing, Inconsistant, easy to read, easily sickened, and terrible decision making, he DOES have ability but nowhere near the standard and lofty height you've elevated him too

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Post by Kenny on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 4:01 pm

Are we looking for a fast nippy winger or someone who will put the ball on Carrolls head ?
Downing played well for Villa in a wide attacking run at defenders role but dont remember to many crosses for headed goals . Saying that i would still like him .
Jarvis lost form when interest in him surfaced in the papers , but he was playing well enough before hand to get an England call up . Still to prove himself consistant enough imo.
Etherington is the best crosser mentioned but dont think hes on our radar .
N'zogbia could be a good signing at the right price , but im not really a fan think he drifts in and out of games to much.
Aaron Lennon or SWP would add pace .

For me my number 1 pick would be Adam Johnson , we could of signed him from Boro but Rafa thought 7 million was to much .

Id also look at Malouda at Chelsea , they maybe willing to sell as it looks like they are going to be bringing in a lot of new faces .
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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 4:17 pm

the-gaffer wrote:
liverbnz wrote:
the-gaffer wrote:You've got a cheek to pull someone up for Mata not being a winger when you said N'Zogbia who played just of the striker all season, as for your assessment of Downing, if thats the standard you judge a winger then I can't see the point in trying to understand your logic

Where did I say N'zogbia was a winger? And even if I did would I be wrong?

As for the rest of your post, I'll judge a player by anyway I see fit, just as I'm sure Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comoli will do. "you could the number of good games he's had on one hand". What sort of half-cooked misinformed opinion is that? Is it supposed to be fact? How about you give me some analysis of why you think Downing is 'over-rated', instead of some worn out cliches?

I'll give you a head-start - good on the ball, good first touch, excellent delivery, decent but not frightening pace and generally works his bottom off.
Where did you say N'Zogbia was a winger, well the title of the article is clearly about wingers and your first contribution was his name, as for your stroke about my opinion of Downing, Inconsistant, easy to read, easily sickened, and terrible decision making, he DOES have ability but nowhere near the standard and lofty height you've elevated him too

N'Zogbia is a winger, there is no debating that point regardless of where he played last season or at any other time. He is our 2nd choice behind Downing for the left hand side position, hence he was my first contrbution. Mata is not a winger, has stated so himself and certainly his stlyle of play leads to an inside forward at the very widest.

On Downing, 'terrible decision-making and easy to read', what exactly are you basing this on may I ask? *Waits for 'I have seen him with my own eyes response'* Downing, as far a I have watched relies more on his game intelligence than anything else, as he doesn't really have the pace to go by a defender. He knows when to come inside and join the play and when to hang out wide waiting on the pass to stretch the play.

And what are these lofty standards I have elevated him too? I have merely pointed him some of his strongest attributes, whilst you on the other hand have come up with a few odd, if not factually incorrect statements. He's a very good PL footballer, I have never said anything different, and neither is there anything wrong with that.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 6:07 pm

Shaun Wright-Phillips wouldn't be a bad buy for Liverpool, and would offer pace. Otherwise I think Jarvis is a sensible suggestion, and his work ethic would be popular with the fans.

Liverpool have plenty useless make weights for signings to lower half of the table sides that could reduce the transfer fee (a little).

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Post by Brady12 on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 9:00 pm

Can I just light the fuse a bit more & say I think Downing is better in the centre

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Post by compelling and rich on Tue 21 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

id rate n'zogbia over downing, but he's much more of a threat on the right cutting in on his left. downing isnt bad but he's no world beater, average imo. reminds me abit of milner as a winger doesnt do anything great but does everything ok

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Post by Kenny on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 2:05 pm

Liverpool have bid 12 million for Aaron Lennon today and are still interseted in Downing but will not go above 16 million
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Post by Crimey on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 2:48 pm

I'd probably prefer Lennon to Downing, more of an out and out winger, although I suppose less of a final product. On his day Lennon is a very good player though.

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Post by AberdeenSteve on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 2:56 pm

Is it both the right and left flank you'd like strengthened?

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Post by Crimey on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 3:02 pm

I think that's what the club is aiming for, although I'm not quite sure what our planned team will be, considering the players we seem to be going in for. I don't think a front free of Carroll, Suarez and Kuyt is too bad, but I presume the club are looking for wingers instead, not sure how it'll all fit together, I hope Kenny does!

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Post by Kenny on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 4:59 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:I think that's what the club is aiming for, although I'm not quite sure what our planned team will be, considering the players we seem to be going in for. I don't think a front free of Carroll, Suarez and Kuyt is too bad, but I presume the club are looking for wingers instead, not sure how it'll all fit together, I hope Kenny does!

By the look of the players we seem to be going for imo Kenny is not just looking at a set formation ( in that i meen 4 4 2 or 4 3 3 ) , in the past we have had plan A then nothing else i think hes looking at players to create options hopefully a plan B plan C and so on ...
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Post by Crimey on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 5:47 pm

The only problem I see is he might alienate some talented players; Meireles is the one I have in my mind. He had a very good season for us, but looks like we're going to lose him, but to be honest I'd rather have Meireles than Henderson or Adam.

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Post by Kenny on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 5:55 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:The only problem I see is he might alienate some talented players; Meireles is the one I have in my mind. He had a very good season for us, but looks like we're going to lose him, but to be honest I'd rather have Meireles than Henderson or Adam.

I agree i dont want to see Meireles go either but it looks very much like he will , according to press he signed on lowish wage and was promised a new improved deal for this season coming which has not been put forward .
I see Raul more in the attacking Stevie G role rather then holding midfielder role , hope we keep him just incase Stevie gets injured .
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Post by Crimey on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 7:20 pm

Yeah, I think he's more of a box to box midfielder, but with Adam supposedly close to signing, Henderson already signed, and then possibly another two wingers as well it seems unlikely we'll keep him as he won't be needed.

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Post by Kenny on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 7:58 pm

I agree we are getting a bit over loaded in midfield but there are others id rather see leave Poulson , Aquilani , Cole part exchange for Lennon .
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Post by jro786 on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 10:08 am

i think mata would be an ideal signing
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Post by Kenny on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:26 pm

looks like we have settled on Downing 15 mill bid rejected but will go back with more
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Post by GSC on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:29 pm

Why is Mata the alternative to Downing? Hes younger and better. This policy of overpaying for young British players is going to backfire.
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Post by Crimey on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:41 pm

Unproven in the Premiership as well though, and could end up being more expensive when you think of transfer and wages for him.

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Post by GSC on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:46 pm

Downings not even that good in the PL though. Having a British spine to the team is all well and good but some of the prices paid are just rediculous.
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Post by Nay on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 6:02 pm

But Downing does but a good cross in, mata plays along the floor

The signings of downing and Adam are all ammunition for Caroll

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Post by HitmanOwl on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 8:47 pm

I'd offer 17 for Adam Johnson or 10 for nzogbia than 15 plus mil for downing.

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