England of '05, or England of '11?

by **Fists of Fury** Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:03

I was just browsing the BBC sport website when I came across this rather interesting article.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/08/2005_vs_2011_composite_england.html

So the point of my article is, who would be your XI?

An interesting one, and I will post mine later.

Cheers

by Guest Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:20

1)Alistair Cook

2)Andrew Strauss (C)

3)Jonathon Trott

4)Kevin Piertsen

5)Ian Bell

6)Andrew Flintoff

7)Matt Prior (wk)

8)Graeme Swann

9)Matthew Hoggard

10)James Anderson

11)Simon Jones

by Hoggy_Bear Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:27

Very strange selection by Fordyce IMO. If he's picking players based on form in '05 or '11 how can he pick Vaughan but not Bell?
If he's picking based on form in respective series against Oz and India (as he appears to be), how can he pick Cook, (and again how can he leave out Bell)?
Personally, based on performance in the '05 Ashes and SO FAR in this series, I'd go:

Tresco
Strauss (05 version)
Vaughan (JUST, ahead of Trott) (c)
KP (either version)
Bell (need to ask which version?)
Prior(wk)
Flintoff
Broad
Bresnan
Swann
Jones

Of course, it's a bit early in the series to give definitive choices for the '11 bunch, but that's what I'd go for so far.

by Smile Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:34

Strauss
Trescothick
Trott
Bell
KP
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Harmison

by Liam_Main Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:46

Cook
Trescothick
Vaughan (C)- Purely for captaincy
KP
Bell
Prior (WK)
Flintoff
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Jones

by legendkillar Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 19:53

Hmmmmm.

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan (C)
Trott
Pietersen
Prior
Broad
Swann
Hoggard
Anderson
Jones

by Carrotdude Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 21:27

Probably...

Trescothick
Cook
Vaughan (c)
KP
Bell
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson
Jones

Flintoff was so good in that '05 series that there is no way I could leave him out, Tremlett is like a better version of Harmison and Anderson now is better than Hoggy was back then. Swann is obviously better than Giles was. The Cook selection is based on his form over the last year and obviously not this current series.

by **Fists of Fury** Tue 2 Aug 2011 - 21:32

Sorry guys, had to rush out earlier.

I have offered a slight explanation for each of my picks where I felt it necessary, to try and qualify them a little. My eleven (and this is a very tough choice) would be:

Trescothick
Strauss - I have omitted Cook due to his frailties against the swinging ball. He has improved a lot lately, but is still susceptible.
Vaughan (c)
Pietersen
Bell - '11 version, obviously.
Flintoff
Prior
Swann
Jones
Anderson
Harmison

Felt bad leaving Trott out, however I feel Vaughan's captaincy is necessary.

by msp83 Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 19:31

considering the 2 major series performances from England came on the back of sustained good performance over a decent time period, I would take into consideration of that time period, rather than just the concerned serieses.
Trescothick
Strauss.
Trott
KP.
Bell.
Flintoff!.
Prior.
Swann.
Hoggard
Anderson
Jones

by Makrish Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 21:20

Cook
Strauss (C) (2011)
Trott
KP (2005)
Bell (2011)
Flintoff
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Jones

Cook over Tresco, because, well, a double century against a full Aus bowling attack (minus McGrath) at the tender age of 20? Also, 18 centuries to Tresco's 14.. Says it all.

Edit: only had 10, completely forgot about Swann.

by hodge Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 21:56

1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

by Liam_Main Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 21:58

hodge wrote:1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

Agree fully with your side would have Prior ahead of Freddie though

by hodge Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:02

they just seemed to work in those positions though which is why i would keep it, i suppose Fred has Jones behind him, but Fred did well at 6 and Prior does well at 7.. also does well with the tail with him

but yeah fair enough

by Day V Lately Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:05

1.Tres, starts an inning with an almighty wallop
2. Cook, real tough decision, but Cook just edged Strauss out.
3. Vaughan (c), by far the better captain for me
4. KP, easiest pick for obvious reasons
5. Bell, '11 version is a classy classy player
6. Prior, goes slighty against the ethos of the '11 side's 6 batsman policy, but feel he is good enough, and has plenty of batting in after him.
7. Freddie, he's Freddie, nuff said
8. Broad, showing signs of becoming the player we know he can be
9. Swann, 2nd easiest pick.
10. Anderson, very very tempted to pick Tremlett, but at the moment jst gave the nod to Jimmy.
11. Jones, who needs a new ball with this fella about, again Tremlett unlucky to miss out.

by Day V Lately Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:06

hodge wrote:1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

whos your skip?

by hodge Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:09

Day V Lately wrote:
hodge wrote:1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

whos your skip?

Trescothick, never really got the chance to show what he could do at international level, but proves at Somerset that he is a more than capable captain

by Liam_Main Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:12

hodge wrote:they just seemed to work in those positions though which is why i would keep it, i suppose Fred has Jones behind him, but Fred did well at 6 and Prior does well at 7.. also does well with the tail with him

but yeah fair enough

In 09 Prior batted above Freddie the reason why I would have Prior ahead of him

by Day V Lately Fri 5 Aug 2011 - 22:21

hodge wrote:
Day V Lately wrote:
hodge wrote:1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

whos your skip?

i think id pick tres over Cook or Freddie aswell for the captain's role.

Trescothick, never really got the chance to show what he could do at international level, but proves at Somerset that he is a more than capable captain

by paulscholes Sat 6 Aug 2011 - 16:30

Strauss (c)
Cook
Trott
KP
Bell
Prior
Freddy
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Jones

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 11 Aug 2011 - 10:48

hodge wrote:1) Tres
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) Bell (11)
5) KP (05)
6) Freddie
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Anderson
11) Jones

I'd take this side except putting Freddie at 6 is a joke when Prior averages 45 in tests and plays like a batsman rather than a slogger. Jones versus Bresnan/Tremlett is tough ...with two fast bouncy bowlers already I guess the skiddy Jones gets it for variation. There could be an argument for taking Bresnan ahead of Broad even.
But I dont think theres an arguemnt against that batting lineup, the spinner and the keeper plus the concept of a fit freddie to give the extra bowling option thas keeping this current England side form being flawless. (By flawless I mean having no clear weakness, all the players in all the psotions could of course be better at everything)

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