IRB World Rankings ... Part 1

by Portnoy Mon 8 Aug 2011 - 10:42

First topic message reminder :

Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

September 2012

Sat 15 Rugby Championship / Freedom Cup
New Zealand v South Africa, Dunedin
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.20 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 85.20 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 86.20 No
If rsa win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 87.20 No

Sat 15 Rugby Championship
Australia v Argentina, Gold Coast
20:05 local, 10:05 GMT, 11:05 BST

aus (on 86.62 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 85.62 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 84.62 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 83.62 82.34 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

by **Pal Joey** Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 19:16

Does that look right Portnoy? I used your figures from the OP?

It's been a long day...........

by Portnoy Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 19:24

I do check and re-check the inputs Linebreaker.

But still I got one wrong last RWC when I accidentally put Saf's points in for Scotland.

Nobody noticed the gaffe...

by **Pal Joey** Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 19:28

I almost had Scotland and Samoa back to front. Rights positions but incorrectly they had each others points. Fixed it now.
All those numbers play tricks on one's mind!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 22:41

on their day, wales are the 4th best team in the world no matter what that table says

although a huge win for france puts them down in 6th

by HERSH Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 8:32

This is fantastic England are snapping at the heels of the big 3 and are once again the best team in the NH. Yahoo

If only we had played Aus this summer then we would now be celerating a series win down under.

by **Pal Joey** Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 10:19

Australia would have well beaten England at home this summer even with all our players out injured. Our kicking is a lot better now. Whistle

by mystiroakey Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 10:22

Its good you have that belief line. However our belief is just as valid.

by **Pal Joey** Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 10:27

I always do mysti.

Nothing I saw from England in this series stood out as brilliant... just a solid tradesman-like performance which is good.

Oz still have more work to do but are also heading in the right direction.

by HERSH Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 10:42

Wales flattered Aus, both teams were poor when you look at the bare facts, I saw nothing that would have frightened England this summer.

The Lions will win 3-0 next year

by mystiroakey Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 10:44

Maybe - i dunno enough about rugb y other than international time and those performances. I would allwasy be confident(even with an average england) of giving you lot a run for your money.

The most impressive trait you showed this time was holding on to this stranglehold you have v wales. What ever they do, however close they get- you lot just didnt let them have a game. It is winning play, and a winning mentality that needs to be acknowledged. But against england or france- i am not sure!

by **Pal Joey** Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 11:55

The Lions are an overhyped team from last century, HERSH. We smashed them easily last time (everyone does) and I'm sure we'll do it again next year. Very Happy

mysti, France?
You mean the team the Wallabies beat 59-16 recently?
England may have trouble with France but they fear us much more naturally considering our better record.

by mystiroakey Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 12:01

England don't have trouble with France. But then we don't have an issue with aus either

by **Pal Joey** Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 12:24

It's just that Australia has beaten England more times, right? Live with it. laughing

by Big Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 15:57

Linebreaker wrote:It's just that Australia has beaten England more times, right? Live with it.

On the basis that we have won the last two (home and away) and the last match was what can only be described as a humping the bragging rights are very much ours. You're going to have to beat us in the autumn if you want them back!

by **Pal Joey** Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 16:12

I guess we'll see who's re-built best in November then. Wink

The team since your last (biggest ever) win over us has gone sideways and has bumbled along in fits and bursts.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 21:19

Linebreaker wrote:I guess we'll see who's re-built best in November then.

The team since your last (biggest ever) win over us has gone sideways and has bumbled along in fits and bursts.

Whereas Australia have shown they can lose to anyone on their day (except wales)

by Portnoy Mon 25 Jun 2012 - 14:30

Wales drop to sixth (officially).
New OP

by HERSH Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 10:48

by **Pal Joey** Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 11:22

No street parties I gather... Whistle

by Portnoy Thu 28 Jun 2012 - 10:59

First things first:
Before anyone goes banging on about the AIs and possible seedings for 2015, there is the small matter of the 4Ns (Rugby Championship).

Nobody should count their chickens...

New OP.

by Portnoy Sat 18 Aug 2012 - 19:04

South Africa 27 - 6 Argentina
Half-time: 20 - 6
Tries: Coetzee, Habana, Kirchner
Cons: M Steyn 3
Pens: M Steyn 2

1 pt off a 'big' win
SA 85.01 - remain ~~4th~~ sorry 3rd

Arg 79.11 so stay 8th

by **Biltong** Sat 18 Aug 2012 - 19:12

Cool, we're 4th now

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 18 Aug 2012 - 19:19

Biltong wrote:Cool, we're 4th now

Well thats ridiculous we all know Wales are the 4th best team in the world

by Portnoy Sat 18 Aug 2012 - 19:21

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Biltong wrote:Cool, we're 4th now

Well thats ridiculous we all know Wales are the 4th best team in the world

Oops! Best amend the slander.

by **Biltong** Sat 18 Aug 2012 - 19:22

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Biltong wrote:Cool, we're 4th now

Well thats ridiculous we all know Wales are the 4th best team in the world

IRB World Rankings ... Part 1 - Page 18 Smiley-laughing013

Sorry, I forgot, maybe Portnoy made a mistake, we must be 5th then.

by Portnoy Sun 19 Aug 2012 - 11:32

New OP on rankings

Based software (not official) scores.

SA could rise to 7th. Wink

by **Biltong** Sun 19 Aug 2012 - 11:40

Fantastic, thanks Portnoy, going by the progress we're making we could be TOP 10 by end of season. Laugh

by Portnoy Mon 20 Aug 2012 - 16:36

In the normal course of events, the official rankings would have been announced by now - especially after major internationals.

It's now 1630 BST and no update.
I'd love to know by whom and whence the figures are announced.

by HERSH Mon 20 Aug 2012 - 16:37

England up to 2nd Fingers Crossed

by Portnoy Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 9:13

OK looks like this after the official figures were announced:

Assuming ABs win, Saffers must get a big (>15) to overtake OZ.

Assuming Saffers win, Argentina stay 8th.

However should Argentina win, they would overtake Ireland.

There is no point discussing the All Blacks as they to all intents and purposes in the stratosphere.

It must be re remembered however, that congrats should be extended to Biltong and his compatriots that they rightly grabbed the top spot off 'England' in the cricket rankings.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 10:31

Portnoy wrote:OK looks like this after the official figures were announced:

Assuming ABs win, Saffers must get a big (>15) to overtake OZ.

Assuming Saffers win, Argentina stay 8th.

However should Argentina win, they would overtake Ireland.

There is no point discussing the All Blacks as they to all intents and purposes in the stratosphere.

It must be re remembered however, that congrats should be extended to Biltong and his compatriots that they rightly grabbed the top spot off 'England' in the cricket rankings.

Only tests, England are number 1 and world champs in T20 which as we all know is the future of cricket Whistle

by mystiroakey Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 11:54

actually south africa are just top in 20/20

we are top of odi..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/current/page/211271.html

SA and england have the top 2 in all formats!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 11:56

So they are,. how rude!

Bloody Saffers

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 11:56

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Portnoy wrote:OK looks like this after the official figures were announced:

Assuming ABs win, Saffers must get a big (>15) to overtake OZ.

Assuming Saffers win, Argentina stay 8th.

However should Argentina win, they would overtake Ireland.

There is no point discussing the All Blacks as they to all intents and purposes in the stratosphere.

It must be re remembered however, that congrats should be extended to Biltong and his compatriots that they rightly grabbed the top spot off 'England' in the cricket rankings.

Only tests, England are number 1 and world champs in T20 which as we all know is not actually cricket

Fixed that for you.

by **Biltong** Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 12:04

Rankings means nothing.

I told you all before. Laugh

by mystiroakey Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 12:08

Yeah yeah!! you love it!!

by **Biltong** Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 12:34

Mystir, I care more about our series wins records. You can lose a ranking or gain a ranking in a month, but your record can't be taken away no matter your ranking.

check this out.

Since OCT 2007 (1 month short of 5 years)

9 away test series - 7 wins, 2 draws
8 home series - 4 wins, 1 loss, 3 draws

Total 17 series, 11 wins, 1 loss, 5 draws.

Makes for pretty reading.

total matches played 47, 26 wins, 11 losses, 10 drawn.

by mystiroakey Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 12:37

Its statisical recognition Bilty. You wouldnt be no.1 without that record. You desrve it very much. Shocked to see you climb to the top of the T20's though. England was miles ahead of that!

by **Biltong** Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 12:38

T20 is popcorn and milkshake cricket, I think that ranking is more volatile than the stockmarket just before acrash.

by Portnoy Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 13:40

Biltong wrote:T20 is popcorn and milkshake cricket, I think that ranking is more volatile than the stockmarket just before acrash.

Along with rugby sevens.

But the harsh reality is that T20 is beginning to reshape the financial fundamentals of cricket and looks like becoming the dominant form of the game as it appeals to the subcontinental market.

International test matches struggle to even nearly fill a 10000 stadium .

Sad but but true.

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 14:51

I think it's too soon to conclude that T20 will be the dominant form of the game. It's relatively new and plenty of fads fade in time.

Sevens I like.

by Portnoy Sat 25 Aug 2012 - 10:27

Just watched the ABs v Australia game where the Ozzies competing against a misfiring ABs were nilled to 22. And as they say, they were lucky to get nil.

Need Deans get on the plane back?

Anyway. if SA win tonight by more than 15, they go second. A distant second, nut nonetheless, second.

by wales606 Sat 25 Aug 2012 - 10:33

Portnoy wrote:Just watched the ABs v Australia game where the Ozzies competing against a misfiring ABs were nilled to 22. And as they say, they were lucky to get nil.

Need Deans get on the plane back?

Anyway. if SA win tonight by more than 15, they go second. A distant second, nut nonetheless, second.

Don't tell Biltong. He might get overexcited.

IRB World Rankings ... Part 1 - Page 18 Smiley-shocked019

by Portnoy Sat 25 Aug 2012 - 22:53

Argentina's draw helps Dingo a teentsy bit.

I'll work up some new predicted outcomes on Monday.

Bloody Saffers don't like being met with their own brand of rugby very much do they?

by Portnoy Sun 26 Aug 2012 - 5:12

Sneak preview based on software

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 79.34 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 82.34 No

aus (on 86.05 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.78 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.573 86.62 84.21 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.860 86.91 83.92 No
If result is a draw 0.427 85.62 85.21 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 1.427 84.62 86.21 Yes
If rsa win by more than 15 2.140 83.91 86.92 Yes

by Portnoy Tue 28 Aug 2012 - 18:21

New OP (rsa s/w calc was 0.01 under actual).

by Portnoy Fri 14 Sep 2012 - 13:28

OP updated. Sorry it's late.

by blackcanelion Sat 15 Sep 2012 - 3:18

So: a big win to Argentina could seem the leapfrog Wales and Ireland (unlikely), and a draw would see them head Ireland (possible). A Sa victory and a wallaby loss would see them swap rankings.

by wrfc1980 Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:04

Anyone know the latest rankings? Obviously we have had a number of tri nations games. This could have an effect on the big up and comming scrap for the 4th place .

by Portnoy's Complaint Mon 22 Oct 2012 - 14:03

Portnoy wrote:Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

November 2012

Sat 10 Italy v Tonga, Brescia
15:00 local, 14:00 GMT
ita (on 76.03 points) at home -vs- ton (on 74.79 points)
If ita win by 1-15 points 0.576 76.61 74.21 No
If ita win by more than 15 0.864 76.89 73.93 No
If result is a draw 0.424 75.61 75.21 No
If ton win by 1-15 points 1.424 74.61 76.21 Yes
If ton win by more than 15 2.136 73.89 76.93 Yes

Sat 10 England v Fiji, Twickenham
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
eng (on 83.09 points) at home -vs- ton (on 70.60 points)
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If result is a draw 1.000 82.09 71.60 No
If fij win by 1-15 points 2.000 81.09 72.60 No
If fij win by more than 15 3.000 80.09 73.60 No

Sat 10 Wales v Argentina, Millennium Stadium
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
wal (on 82.26 points) at home -vs- arg (on 78.63 points)
If wal win by 1-15 points 0.337 82.60 78.29 No
If wal win by more than 15 0.505 82.77 78.12 No
If result is a draw 0.663 81.60 79.29 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 1.663 80.60 80.29 No
If arg win by more than 15 2.495 79.77 81.12 Yes

Sat 10 Ireland v South Africa, Lansdowne Road
17:30 local, 17:30 GMT
ire (on 79.85 points) at home -vs- saf (on 84.69 points)
If ire win by 1-15 points 1.184 81.03 83.51 No
If ire win by more than 15 1.776 81.63 82.91 No
If result is a draw 0.184 80.03 84.51 No
If saf win by 1-15 points 0.816 79.03 85.51 No
If saf win by more than 15 1.224 78.63 85.91 No

Sat 10 France v Australia, Stade de France
21:00 local, 20:00 GMT
fra (on 83.03 points) at home -vs- aus (on 86.37 points)
If fra win by 1-15 points 1.034 84.06 85.34 No
If fra win by more than 15 1.551 84.58 84.82 No
If result is a draw 0.034 83.06 86.34 No
If aus win by 1-15 points 0.966 82.06 87.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 1.449 81.58 87.82 No

Sun 11 Scotland v New Zealand, Murrayfield
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
sco (on 77.97 points) at home -vs- nzl (on 92.91 points)
If sco win by 1-15 points 2.000 79.97 90.91 No
If sco win by more than 15 3.000 80.97 89.91 No
If result is a draw 1.000 78.97 91.91 No
If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 77.97 92.91 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 77.97 92.91 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

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