Armitage cited for high tackle on Patterson

So Armitage has been cited for his high tackle on Patterson.
It was high and could easily have received a yellow card for it, so what would be the likely punishment? A one game ban?

Anything more would be a little harsh as it wasn't a red card offence for sure.

Was it not more a shoulder charge than a tackle? I seem to remember something like that, it was when scotland ran from inside their 22?

yeah, sort of, he went in with his should trying to wrap patterson up, 'man and ball' but his should caught Patterson's head. Not malicious at all (despite Armitage's poor recent discipline), but his shoulder did catch Patterson, so a yellow could be justified I guess

It's a nonsense citing. At most it was a yellow card offence and therefore should carry no sanction from a disciplinary panel.

Both players were front on to each other, Paterson ducked very slightly as he was running and Armitage mistimed his attempt to wrap up man and ball and caught Patersons head with his shoulder.

No malicious intent whatsoever.

Pete, with the rfu they ban players who should have been sanctioned heavier on the field. That includes missed yellows. Don't know if the IRB is the same

Ozzy3213 wrote:It's a nonsense citing. At most it was a yellow card offence and therefore should carry no sanction from a disciplinary panel.

Both players were front on to each other, Paterson ducked very slightly as he was running and Armitage mistimed his attempt to wrap up man and ball and caught Patersons head with his shoulder.

No malicious intent whatsoever.

I tend to agree, but the fact that he has been cited means that someone thinks there is a cse to answer.

While I'm glad that he didn't gte a yellow v Scotland as at that time the game was in the balance, I do think it would be harsh if he missed the France game. And Armitage's recent discipline will not do him any favours!

It's a joke, there has been far worse in this tournament. Getting sick of this.

I was suprissed he wsnt called for a high tackle at the time.
Didnt he keep hold of Patterson high as they went down?

That it went unpunished during the game and the player being injured from it meant a citing was pretty inevitable.

Citing was inevitable. Problem is then the citing comittee issue bans for things that frankly were yellow card at worst.

Exactly, he might miss the France game for something that should've been a 10 minute binning. When was it in the match, don't even remember seeing it?

Seen far worse in this world cup that hasn't been cited. Not saying they have anything against England, but i believe we've been on the end of a few bad decisions.

Question though. would.it have had more an impact going down to 14 men conapred.to him not being selected for the next match (but u have replacements). might have.been more costly

i sae it.and.it looked from the back a yellow

The citing panel needs to look at it to dismiss it, which I hope that they do.

Armitage is not a dirty player and Mossy is quite literally the last player on the planet who would complain about this.

havent seen Armitage tackle but Sukanaialu Hufanga who got a yellow card for almost-spear-tackling Clerc got a 5 weeks ban

Estebanez has who also got a yellow card has also been cited (results tomorrow)...

I must confess that i didn't see the incident "live" as I was out and, due to extreme nervousness, I watched the game at 6x speed on Sky + but it didn't seem that bad a tackle to me. At worst, it was clumsy than malicious.
I hope he doesn't cop a ban for it.
Interesting that, from what i have read/seen, nobody to do with the Scotland team or management has made the slightest comment about it which implies that there wasn't much to it.

InjuredYetAgain wrote:I must confess that i didn't see the incident "live" as I was out and, due to extreme nervousness, I watched the game at 6x speed on Sky + but it didn't seem that bad a tackle to me. At worst, it was clumsy than malicious.
I hope he doesn't cop a ban for it.
Interesting that, from what i have read/seen, nobody to do with the Scotland team or management has made the slightest comment about it which implies that there wasn't much to it.

Or that the media just ignore scotland eh

Shame as he has had a great world cup so far...

unfortunately his disciplinary record is appaulling

That word "clumbsy" again........the defense for a lot of citings

Lawes got away with a short ban for a malicious, dangerous tackle. For some reason, England got away with a flagrant breach of the rules in the "ballgate" incident which should have resulted in Wilkinsion being banned for the Scotland game. Instead, the RWC allowed England to "self punish" even though MJ and JW were obviously behind the cheating............

Sometimes teams begin to mirror their coach, and it looks like England are beginning to resemble the vile Johnson.................

John Cregan;

Totally agree, he should have had yellow there may be another team in the QF, who knows. What are the line judges watching or turning a blind eye!

vile johnson!

wilkop should have been banned!!

ball gate incident!! lol- everyone does it

ermmm

massive heroes of the game. and england have a like for like replacement(if not 10 times better at present in flood)

John Cregan wrote:That word "clumbsy" again........the defense for a lot of citings

Lawes got away with a short ban for a malicious, dangerous tackle. For some reason, England got away with a flagrant breach of the rules in the "ballgate" incident which should have resulted in Wilkinsion being banned for the Scotland game. Instead, the RWC allowed England to "self punish" even though MJ and JW were obviously behind the cheating............

Sometimes teams begin to mirror their coach, and it looks like England are beginning to resemble the vile Johnson.................

what a load of .......

The tackle certainly wasn't the worst I've seen this tournament, but it was a little late and high, as I recall.

Some classic anti-English comments on here, "the vile Johnson" being my particular favourite.

On a slightly different note, this made me laugh

InjuredYetAgain wrote:due to extreme nervousness, I watched the game at 6x speed on Sky +

Perhaps the best way to watch England/Scotland games in the future! Just watch Nick Easter's acceleration at 6x

It's the only bloody way we can get the ball to our wingers quickly!!!!
John Cregan - you surprise me for an Irishman. I expect that sort of comment from the Welsh. How on earth is it in a coach's power to tell a player to leave a trailing arm or a swiniging arm or whatever so that he can possibly hurt an opponent. If the offending player made a real balls of his instructions, he could be sent off, meaning that the coaches "ploy" had backfired

I actually believe that England would be a better team with a without him. I think he instills the wrong sort of mentality.......a nasty mentality, which worked for Johnson himself but doesn't work for everyone.........his selection of Tindall is baffling. There are 8 better centres than him in England.................his selection of Wilkinson is baffling, albeit i have been a huge fan of Wilkinson..................

I am not being anti-english, far from it, i am just anti Johnson..................

i actually agree with that - i wouldnt start tindal or wilko

I would have thought England would only be too happy to have Del boy sidelined as he is a very poor wing and a potential yellow card waiting to happen every game.

Banned for one match - seems harsh to me as I really don't think it was dirty or malicious, but it was always going to be the result once he was officially cited.

Has anyone got a videolink of the incident?

Chris Paterson is his real name. One t not two.

Two t's I think. It was a swinging arm to the chops and pretty dangerous play. It looked clumsy rather than malicious though. He's a lanky chap armitage and needs to make more of an effort to get the arms lower when going for the ball and man tackle.

I'd need to look at again to be sure but that was my initial thoughts on it.

Not too bothered as Cueto is a safer bet I reckon.

The only reason you'd have Armitage in the side right now I reckon is because he's the only other specialist FB in the squad, otherwise there at least 3 wingers i'd pick ahead of him (in the squad or otherwise).

roddersm you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paterson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15138196.stm

I think Armitage has played really well - both in the warm up games and the group games - and deserves his place in the starting 15. Cueto looked good against Georgia but it's hard to judge him accurately on that one as his tries were mostly run ins. I think Armitage is a loss to the team.

It was late, it was high and it wasn't a tackle. I don't think he can have any complaints.

For me it should have been a penalty, a talking to and no more. It's not a swinging arm or particualry late (fractionally maybe). In th days before yellow cards this would just be a penalty. Seems harsh to me, but everyone has their own view. Time to move on for the England team

Bit annoying though, considering that there was a USA player (with the long hair) who was cited for a worse challenge against Russia and received no punishment.

In rugby terms, I think it's a case of "Let them hate so long as they fear".

And both these citings smell of fear to me.

rugbyfan wrote:For me it should have been a penalty, a talking to and no more. It's not a swinging arm or particualry late (fractionally maybe). In th days before yellow cards this would just be a penalty. Seems harsh to me, but everyone has their own view. Time to move on for the England team

Yes but the ref missed it, so it was picked up by the citing panel. Had it been punished on the field with a penalty and a talking that would have been it.
Had the ref decided it was a swinging arm and deliberate he wouldve been carded, and england probably wouldve lost. But it was clearly neither.

As it is hes got a light ban. Its no big deal.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

rugbyfan wrote:For me it should have been a penalty, a talking to and no more. It's not a swinging arm or particualry late (fractionally maybe). In th days before yellow cards this would just be a penalty. Seems harsh to me, but everyone has their own view. Time to move on for the England team

Yes but the ref missed it, so it was picked up by the citing panel. Had it been punished on the field with a penalty and a talking that would have been it.
Had the ref decided it was a swinging arm and deliberate he wouldve been carded, and england probably wouldve lost. But it was clearly neither.

As it is hes got a light ban. Its no big deal.

but I only see it as a penalty - therefore, even through the citing process, he shouldn't be banned

Estebanez who also was cited got a 3 week ban today.... so 1 game would seem ok in comparison keeping in midn that estebanez has no particular "bad" history (but again I cannot compare both tackles, cant find a link of delon armitage's one and missed it during the game ).

the worrying thing is that with Rougerie likely to miss the QF with a shoulder injury, we will run out of options at centre and will probably see the perpighan duo Marty-Mermoz.

whocares wrote:Estebanez who also was cited got a 3 week ban today.... so 1 game would seem ok in comparison keeping in midn that estebanez has no particular "bad" history (but again I cannot compare both tackles, cant find a link of delon armitage's one and missed it during the game ).

the worrying thing is that with Rougerie likely to miss the QF with a shoulder injury, we will run out of options at centre and will probably see the perpighan duo Marty-Mermoz.

That's really bad news, I'm a big fan of Rougerie.

Patterson ducked just before contact!

See link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15142813.stm


One game ban for a tackle! this is rugby.

Plus a one game ban for Lawes sliding in on a player as his trying to pull out of a tackle.

Someone has it in for England

BATH_BTGOG wrote:Patterson ducked just before contact!

See link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15142813.stm


One game ban for a tackle! this is rugby.

Plus a one game ban for Lawes sliding in on a player as his trying to pull out of a tackle.

Someone has it in for England

That is a great picture that, seems to show Armitage trying to take Peterson's head off, so i can only assume you were making your arguement tongue in cheek!!

Horrible man, thinks he is a Premier league footballer, badge kissing all the time etc! Can't stand him, so not gonna be a great loss, last game in WC for England next week anyway, unless of course there is a 300% improvement (which wouldn't surprise me)

JDandfries wrote:last game in WC for England next week anyway, unless of course there is a 300% improvement (which wouldn't surprise me)

You have seen who England are playing haven't you?

England may need a 300% improvement but France need a 3million % improvement!!!

JDandfries wrote:
Horrible man, thinks he is a Premier league footballer, badge kissing all the time etc! Can't stand him, so not gonna be a great loss, last game in WC for England next week anyway, unless of course there is a 300% improvement (which wouldn't surprise me)

Cripes that's a bit harsh on Scotland who were playing nearly 100% - and lost.

I am a bit suprised myself. I didnt even know that he was sited. I thought that it wasnt too bad when i first saw it and didnt pay it too much mind.

Not sure that it makes that big a difference - Delon's been playing well enough in attack to justify his inclusion in the back 3, but Cueto will be more consistent in defence and has at least as good skill levels as a secondary full back and kicking option. Against France, who might look to get the ball wide, I think Cueto might have been picked in preference anyway.

Undoubtedly should have been a penalty, but I don't see it as an intentional foul, so the ban is perhaps a little harsh. Delon does though tend to have quite an upright body position in tackling, so will always be a candidate for committing highish tackles on shorter players.

As for us going out this weekend, I think we're about 3-1 favourite given the performances of France in the last few weeks. We will though need to improve markedly to get further than the SF.

Pleaded guilty so he had to be banned, as it was they halved his ban. It was clearly accidental but the tackler still has to accept responsibility for the contact.

The French lads tackle was blantantly deliberate, and a type that the IRB has recently sent out clear instructions to be eradicated. He wasnt at all shocked to be pulled up and carded, the 3 week/game ban is no shocker either.

Im more interested what will happen regarding the eye gouging from the Italian, no word on that yet.